Windows Vista Checked/Debug Build downloads

Hi all,

I saw this question was asked many times on this list an on OSR site,
but I’ll try to ask it again: is it possible to download Vista checked
builds for x86 and x64 platforms? On Microsoft site I found links for
checked builds of different Windows versions and service packs but
except Windows Vista checked builds. Are these checked builds only
available for MSDN subscribers? Our company receive MSDN packages
(including OS platform discs), but I could not find any Windows Vista
checked builds.

Any clues and links are welcome ;-)))

With best regards,
Konstantin Manurin

I believe that they are MSDN only. I don’t know whether they come on
Disc or not, but I believe they do. That being said, it does seem like
pretty much everything has to be downloaded these days, at least if you
wish to use it within a reasonable time frame. Go to
http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions and sign in/

Good luck,

mm

Konstantin Manurin wrote:

Hi all,

I saw this question was asked many times on this list an on OSR site,
but I’ll try to ask it again: is it possible to download Vista checked
builds for x86 and x64 platforms? On Microsoft site I found links for
checked builds of different Windows versions and service packs but
except Windows Vista checked builds. Are these checked builds only
available for MSDN subscribers? Our company receive MSDN packages
(including OS platform discs), but I could not find any Windows Vista
checked builds.

Any clues and links are welcome ;-)))

With best regards,
Konstantin Manurin

You can always find info about the checked build from The Latest item on the OSR Online homepage. It currently points tot he following information for Windows Vista:

Windows Vista

Direct Links: Not available. Apparently the checked build of Vista is so valuable, it is a state secret and only available to MSDN subscribers.

MSDN: As OSR Online member Charles Chopp reports, below, the Vista checked build is available via MSDN.

In the WDK: Perhaps the best option of all is to use the checked Kernel and Hal images that are provided in the Vista WDK. You can find the images and associated PDBs in the \Winddk\6000\Debug\ directory. I recommend you use these… it’ll save you an hour or three or four, downloading and attempting to extract the appropriate executables.

Peter
OSR

Peter,

Thanks for the reply, but I saw this info and was really upset. So I
decided to query it once again just in case there’s additional
information :slight_smile:

With best regards,
Konstantin Manurin

xxxxx@osr.com wrote:

You can always find info about the checked build from The Latest item on the OSR Online homepage. It currently points tot he following information for Windows Vista:

Windows Vista

Direct Links: Not available. Apparently the checked build of Vista is so valuable, it is a state secret and only available to MSDN subscribers.

MSDN: As OSR Online member Charles Chopp reports, below, the Vista checked build is available via MSDN.

In the WDK: Perhaps the best option of all is to use the checked Kernel and Hal images that are provided in the Vista WDK. You can find the images and associated PDBs in the \Winddk\6000\Debug\ directory. I recommend you use these… it’ll save you an hour or three or four, downloading and attempting to extract the appropriate executables.

Peter
OSR

xxxxx@osr.com wrote:

You can always find info about the checked build from The Latest item on the OSR Online homepage. It currently points tot he following information for Windows Vista:

Windows Vista

Direct Links: Not available. Apparently the checked build of Vista is so valuable, it is a state secret and only available to MSDN subscribers.

I’m not sure I understand the hyperbole here. Have there EVER been
checked builds available outside of MSDN? That would seem to be
tantamount to giving Windows away for free.


Tim Roberts, xxxxx@probo.com
Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc.

I am looking for the XP (with SP2 updates) checked build in MSDN.
However I was unable to locate it. Can somebody give me pointers on how
I can search for it? I have MSDN subscription.

Thanks

Sailesh

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[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Tim Roberts
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 11:14 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: Re: [ntdev] Windows Vista Checked/Debug Build downloads

xxxxx@osr.com wrote:

You can always find info about the checked build from The Latest item
on the OSR Online homepage. It currently points tot he following
information for Windows Vista:

Windows Vista

Direct Links: Not available. Apparently the checked build of Vista
is so valuable, it is a state secret and only available to MSDN
subscribers.

I’m not sure I understand the hyperbole here. Have there EVER been
checked builds available outside of MSDN? That would seem to be
tantamount to giving Windows away for free.


Tim Roberts, xxxxx@probo.com
Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc.


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Microsoft messed up in their purge of pre-SP2 versions of XP. They offer
the SP2 update in checked but they never put together a XP SP2 checked disk
integrated. There are way too many people in Redmond who ignore the checked
build or view it irrelevant.


Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
Website: http://www.windrvr.com
Blog: http://msmvps.com/blogs/WinDrvr
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“Rathi, Sailesh” wrote in message
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I am looking for the XP (with SP2 updates) checked build in MSDN.
However I was unable to locate it. Can somebody give me pointers on how
I can search for it? I have MSDN subscription.

Thanks

Sailesh

-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Tim Roberts
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 11:14 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: Re: [ntdev] Windows Vista Checked/Debug Build downloads

xxxxx@osr.com wrote:
> You can always find info about the checked build from The Latest item
on the OSR Online homepage. It currently points tot he following
information for Windows Vista:
>
> Windows Vista
>
> Direct Links: Not available. Apparently the checked build of Vista
is so valuable, it is a state secret and only available to MSDN
subscribers.
>

I’m not sure I understand the hyperbole here. Have there EVER been
checked builds available outside of MSDN? That would seem to be
tantamount to giving Windows away for free.


Tim Roberts, xxxxx@probo.com
Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc.


NTDEV is sponsored by OSR

For our schedule of WDF, WDM, debugging and other seminars visit:
http://www.osr.com/seminars

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I believe that SP2 supported slip-streaming into an install image. I have a
vague recollection of trying to slipstream the XP RTM Checked CDROM with XP
SP2 and burn it back. I just cannot seem to locate if I got a working
version from that exercise (and perhaps I should not look!)

Good Luck
-dave

David R. Cattley
Consulting Engineer
Systems Software Development

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[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Don Burn
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 2:07 PM
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Subject: Re:[ntdev] Windows Vista Checked/Debug Build downloads

Microsoft messed up in their purge of pre-SP2 versions of XP. They offer
the SP2 update in checked but they never put together a XP SP2 checked disk
integrated. There are way too many people in Redmond who ignore the checked
build or view it irrelevant.


Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
Website: http://www.windrvr.com
Blog: http://msmvps.com/blogs/WinDrvr
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“Rathi, Sailesh” wrote in message
news:xxxxx@ntdev…
I am looking for the XP (with SP2 updates) checked build in MSDN.
However I was unable to locate it. Can somebody give me pointers on how
I can search for it? I have MSDN subscription.

Thanks

Sailesh

-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Tim Roberts
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 11:14 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: Re: [ntdev] Windows Vista Checked/Debug Build downloads

xxxxx@osr.com wrote:
> You can always find info about the checked build from The Latest item
on the OSR Online homepage. It currently points tot he following
information for Windows Vista:
>
> Windows Vista
>
> Direct Links: Not available. Apparently the checked build of Vista
is so valuable, it is a state secret and only available to MSDN
subscribers.
>

I’m not sure I understand the hyperbole here. Have there EVER been
checked builds available outside of MSDN? That would seem to be
tantamount to giving Windows away for free.


Tim Roberts, xxxxx@probo.com
Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc.


NTDEV is sponsored by OSR

For our schedule of WDF, WDM, debugging and other seminars visit:
http://www.osr.com/seminars

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There is a network install exe under XP Service Pack under operating systems
on MSDN. All the exe does is to extract all the files into a directory
where the setup program can be executed.

“Don Burn” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> Microsoft messed up in their purge of pre-SP2 versions of XP. They offer
> the SP2 update in checked but they never put together a XP SP2 checked
> disk integrated. There are way too many people in Redmond who ignore the
> checked build or view it irrelevant.
>
>
> –
> Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
> Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
> Website: http://www.windrvr.com
> Blog: http://msmvps.com/blogs/WinDrvr
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>
> “Rathi, Sailesh” wrote in message
> news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> I am looking for the XP (with SP2 updates) checked build in MSDN.
> However I was unable to locate it. Can somebody give me pointers on how
> I can search for it? I have MSDN subscription.
>
> Thanks
>
> Sailesh
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Tim Roberts
> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 11:14 PM
> To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> Subject: Re: [ntdev] Windows Vista Checked/Debug Build downloads
>
> xxxxx@osr.com wrote:
>> You can always find info about the checked build from The Latest item
> on the OSR Online homepage. It currently points tot he following
> information for Windows Vista:
>>
>> Windows Vista
>>
>> Direct Links: Not available. Apparently the checked build of Vista
> is so valuable, it is a state secret and only available to MSDN
> subscribers.
>>
>
> I’m not sure I understand the hyperbole here. Have there EVER been
> checked builds available outside of MSDN? That would seem to be
> tantamount to giving Windows away for free.
>
> –
> Tim Roberts, xxxxx@probo.com
> Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc.
>
>
> —
> NTDEV is sponsored by OSR
>
> For our schedule of WDF, WDM, debugging and other seminars visit:
> http://www.osr.com/seminars
>
> To unsubscribe, visit the List Server section of OSR Online at
> http://www.osronline.com/page.cfm?name=ListServer
>
>
>

No what I am referring to is if you joined MSDN after XP SP2 there quickly
came a time when you could get the checked files changed for SP2/SP1 but you
cannot get the base OS checked. Microsoft has not slipstreamed a full
checked system with SP2 that can be installed by customers who came late to
the party.

Worse yet, when I have inquired if I could provide them a copy of the
checked CD, of course Redmond replies of course not that would violate the
license. When I mentioned this Microsofties at WinHEC I got two responses,
either something about management not having their act together, or “why
would you want the checked build anyway”.


Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
Website: http://www.windrvr.com
Blog: http://msmvps.com/blogs/WinDrvr
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“David J. Craig” wrote in message
news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> There is a network install exe under XP Service Pack under operating
> systems on MSDN. All the exe does is to extract all the files into a
> directory where the setup program can be executed.
>
> “Don Burn” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
>> Microsoft messed up in their purge of pre-SP2 versions of XP. They offer
>> the SP2 update in checked but they never put together a XP SP2 checked
>> disk integrated. There are way too many people in Redmond who ignore the
>> checked build or view it irrelevant.
>>
>>
>> –
>> Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
>> Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
>> Website: http://www.windrvr.com
>> Blog: http://msmvps.com/blogs/WinDrvr
>> Remove StopSpam to reply
>>
>>
>> “Rathi, Sailesh” wrote in message
>> news:xxxxx@ntdev…
>> I am looking for the XP (with SP2 updates) checked build in MSDN.
>> However I was unable to locate it. Can somebody give me pointers on how
>> I can search for it? I have MSDN subscription.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Sailesh
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>> [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Tim Roberts
>> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 11:14 PM
>> To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
>> Subject: Re: [ntdev] Windows Vista Checked/Debug Build downloads
>>
>> xxxxx@osr.com wrote:
>>> You can always find info about the checked build from The Latest item
>> on the OSR Online homepage. It currently points tot he following
>> information for Windows Vista:
>>>
>>> Windows Vista
>>>
>>> Direct Links: Not available. Apparently the checked build of Vista
>> is so valuable, it is a state secret and only available to MSDN
>> subscribers.
>>>
>>
>> I’m not sure I understand the hyperbole here. Have there EVER been
>> checked builds available outside of MSDN? That would seem to be
>> tantamount to giving Windows away for free.
>>
>> –
>> Tim Roberts, xxxxx@probo.com
>> Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc.
>>
>>
>> —
>> NTDEV is sponsored by OSR
>>
>> For our schedule of WDF, WDM, debugging and other seminars visit:
>> http://www.osr.com/seminars
>>
>> To unsubscribe, visit the List Server section of OSR Online at
>> http://www.osronline.com/page.cfm?name=ListServer
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

I really wish this would change; my only copy of CHECKED XP is scratched
and works in some drives, sometimes. Perhaps with the XP
on-new-machines concessions made to Dell, et. al., it will, but I doubt
it. I get why they would prefer people to use Vista, and these days
they’re probably a little anxious about it, but why would they wish to
get in the the way of people developing the drivers that, according to
them, account for most of the instability in the system? I suppose it’s
just a case of no who makes the decisions particularly caring, but it
still hurts them, in my opinion. Whether they wish it or not, XP does
not appear to be going anywhere, and probably will not in companies
until Vista gets considerably more reasonable, in my opinion.

I had never really considered that internally checked builds aren’t
popular, but that would go a long way towards explaining why, in the
NT4/2K era, checked service packs commonly no symbols, which was really
frustrating, and also why I guess it wasn’t a very big deal that damn
close nothing to would install on those same checked builds unless one
was willing to just keep hitting enter for all the user mode asserts the
installer generated. That was really irritating.

The part about this that really sucks, for me, at least, is that checked
builds are the only thing that makes MSDN worth paying for, as I don’t
use SQL, et. c.; everything else is online, more or less, and in
practice you have to download it anyway as basically nothing comes on
the disks when you need it.

mm

Don Burn wrote:

No what I am referring to is if you joined MSDN after XP SP2 there quickly
came a time when you could get the checked files changed for SP2/SP1 but you
cannot get the base OS checked. Microsoft has not slipstreamed a full
checked system with SP2 that can be installed by customers who came late to
the party.

Worse yet, when I have inquired if I could provide them a copy of the
checked CD, of course Redmond replies of course not that would violate the
license. When I mentioned this Microsofties at WinHEC I got two responses,
either something about management not having their act together, or “why
would you want the checked build anyway”.