Hello all,
I’m facing a problem with the windows 7 activation…
I’m developing a disk driver, and I suspect that some identifier of my
driver is making windows rearm the activation (windows deactivate, but
activate again right away over the internet, without any errors).
If anyone can point me something (docs, experiences, …)
thanks
Guilherme
X86_32 or x86_64?
mm
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Guilherme Moro
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 4:11 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Windows 7 activation problem, again…
Hello all,
I’m facing a problem with the windows 7 activation…
I’m developing a disk driver, and I suspect that some identifier of my
driver is making windows rearm the activation (windows deactivate, but
activate again right away over the internet, without any errors).
If anyone can point me something (docs, experiences, …)
thanks
Guilherme
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X86_32
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 5:14 PM, M. M. O’Brien <
xxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:
X86_32 or x86_64?
mm
*From:* xxxxx@lists.osr.com [mailto:
xxxxx@lists.osr.com] *On Behalf Of *Guilherme Moro
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 08, 2010 4:11 PM
*To:* Windows System Software Devs Interest List
*Subject:* [ntdev] Windows 7 activation problem, again…Hello all,
I’m facing a problem with the windows 7 activation…
I’m developing a disk driver, and I suspect that some identifier of my
driver is making windows rearm the activation (windows deactivate, but
activate again right away over the internet, without any errors).If anyone can point me something (docs, experiences, …)
thanks
Guilherme
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Is your disk driver taking over the boot disk?
Mark Roddy
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Guilherme Moro wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I’m facing a problem with the windows 7 activation…
>
> I’m developing a disk driver, and I suspect that some identifier of my
> driver is making windows rearm the activation (windows deactivate, but
> activate again right away over the internet, without any errors).
>
> If anyone can point me something (docs, experiences, …)
>
>
> thanks
>
> Guilherme
> — NTDEV is sponsored by OSR For our schedule of WDF, WDM, debugging and
> other seminars visit: http://www.osr.com/seminars To unsubscribe, visit
> the List Server section of OSR Online at
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yes, sorry for the poor information…
My disk driver is the boot driver and is network backed, I boot the same
“image” of the OS over several machines, all over the network.
And the problem appears exactly when booting multiples machines, the one
machine where I activate windows (the machine where I extracted the image)
keeps booting normally, but the other machines deactivate when booted.
I’m using a volume MAK cd-key…
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Mark Roddy wrote:
> Is your disk driver taking over the boot disk?
> Mark Roddy
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Guilherme Moro wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I’m facing a problem with the windows 7 activation…
>>
>> I’m developing a disk driver, and I suspect that some identifier of my
>> driver is making windows rearm the activation (windows deactivate, but
>> activate again right away over the internet, without any errors).
>>
>> If anyone can point me something (docs, experiences, …)
>>
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Guilherme
>> — NTDEV is sponsored by OSR For our schedule of WDF, WDM, debugging and
>> other seminars visit: http://www.osr.com/seminars To unsubscribe, visit
>> the List Server section of OSR Online at
>> http://www.osronline.com/page.cfm?name=ListServer
>>
>
> — NTDEV is sponsored by OSR For our schedule of WDF, WDM, debugging and
> other seminars visit: http://www.osr.com/seminars To unsubscribe, visit
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>
more information
looking at the event viewer I see that “Software Protection Platform
Service” gives erros, talking about hardaware changes, and so it rearm
windows activation.
So the disk identification can be the root of the problem, or can some other
ID ( like the bus ID of the driver ) cause any impact on the activation.
I was searching around, and microsoft dont seems to tell exactly how the
hardware changes affect the activation, anyone know a way to get that
information?
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Guilherme Moro wrote:
> yes, sorry for the poor information…
>
> My disk driver is the boot driver and is network backed, I boot the same
> “image” of the OS over several machines, all over the network.
>
> And the problem appears exactly when booting multiples machines, the one
> machine where I activate windows (the machine where I extracted the image)
> keeps booting normally, but the other machines deactivate when booted.
>
> I’m using a volume MAK cd-key…
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Mark Roddy wrote:
>
>> Is your disk driver taking over the boot disk?
>> Mark Roddy
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Guilherme Moro wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I’m facing a problem with the windows 7 activation…
>>>
>>> I’m developing a disk driver, and I suspect that some identifier of my
>>> driver is making windows rearm the activation (windows deactivate, but
>>> activate again right away over the internet, without any errors).
>>>
>>> If anyone can point me something (docs, experiences, …)
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> Guilherme
>>> — NTDEV is sponsored by OSR For our schedule of WDF, WDM, debugging and
>>> other seminars visit: http://www.osr.com/seminars To unsubscribe, visit
>>> the List Server section of OSR Online at
>>> http://www.osronline.com/page.cfm?name=ListServer
>>>
>>
>> — NTDEV is sponsored by OSR For our schedule of WDF, WDM, debugging and
>> other seminars visit: http://www.osr.com/seminars To unsubscribe, visit
>> the List Server section of OSR Online at
>> http://www.osronline.com/page.cfm?name=ListServer
>>
>
>
I don’t know what to do about it (as I know very little about storage), but
what you’re describing sounds normal.
mm
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Guilherme Moro
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 5:53 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: Re: [ntdev] Windows 7 activation problem, again…
more information
looking at the event viewer I see that “Software Protection Platform
Service” gives erros, talking about hardaware changes, and so it rearm
windows activation.
So the disk identification can be the root of the problem, or can some other
ID ( like the bus ID of the driver ) cause any impact on the activation.
I was searching around, and microsoft dont seems to tell exactly how the
hardware changes affect the activation, anyone know a way to get that
information?
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Guilherme Moro
wrote:
yes, sorry for the poor information…
My disk driver is the boot driver and is network backed, I boot the same
“image” of the OS over several machines, all over the network.
And the problem appears exactly when booting multiples machines, the one
machine where I activate windows (the machine where I extracted the image)
keeps booting normally, but the other machines deactivate when booted.
I’m using a volume MAK cd-key…
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Mark Roddy wrote:
Is your disk driver taking over the boot disk?
Mark Roddy
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Guilherme Moro
wrote:
Hello all,
I’m facing a problem with the windows 7 activation…
I’m developing a disk driver, and I suspect that some identifier of my
driver is making windows rearm the activation (windows deactivate, but
activate again right away over the internet, without any errors).
If anyone can point me something (docs, experiences, …)
thanks
Guilherme
— NTDEV is sponsored by OSR For our schedule of WDF, WDM, debugging and
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If you root around you will find that Windows activation depends on a
number of hardware items. The goal is specifically to stop people from
using the same copy on multiple machines which is what your stated
purpose is. Even if you were to somehow fake the hardware, then the
next set of challenges would kick in, and having worked with activation
and virtualization the next set make these look trivial.
You are not going to be able to get the same image to boot multiple
systems.
Don Burn (MVP, Windows DKD)
Windows Filesystem and Driver Consulting
Website: http://www.windrvr.com
Blog: http://msmvps.com/blogs/WinDrvr
“Guilherme Moro” wrote in message
news:xxxxx@ntdev:
> more information
>
> looking at the event viewer I see that “Software Protection Platform
> Service” gives erros, talking about hardaware changes, and so it rearm
> windows activation.
>
> So the disk identification can be the root of the problem, or can some other
> ID ( like the bus ID of the driver ) cause any impact on the activation.
>
> I was searching around, and microsoft dont seems to tell exactly how the
> hardware changes affect the activation, anyone know a way to get that
> information?
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Guilherme Moro wrote:
>
> > yes, sorry for the poor information…
> >
> > My disk driver is the boot driver and is network backed, I boot the same
> > “image” of the OS over several machines, all over the network.
> >
> > And the problem appears exactly when booting multiples machines, the one
> > machine where I activate windows (the machine where I extracted the image)
> > keeps booting normally, but the other machines deactivate when booted.
> >
> > I’m using a volume MAK cd-key…
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Mark Roddy wrote:
> >
> >> Is your disk driver taking over the boot disk?
> >> Mark Roddy
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Guilherme Moro wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello all,
> >>>
> >>> I’m facing a problem with the windows 7 activation…
> >>>
> >>> I’m developing a disk driver, and I suspect that some identifier of my
> >>> driver is making windows rearm the activation (windows deactivate, but
> >>> activate again right away over the internet, without any errors).
> >>>
> >>> If anyone can point me something (docs, experiences, …)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> thanks
> >>>
> >>> Guilherme
> >>> — NTDEV is sponsored by OSR For our schedule of WDF, WDM, debugging and
> >>> other seminars visit: http://www.osr.com/seminars To unsubscribe, visit
> >>> the List Server section of OSR Online at
> >>> http://www.osronline.com/page.cfm?name=ListServer
> >>>
> >>
> >> — NTDEV is sponsored by OSR For our schedule of WDF, WDM, debugging and
> >> other seminars visit: http://www.osr.com/seminars To unsubscribe, visit
> >> the List Server section of OSR Online at
> >> http://www.osronline.com/page.cfm?name=ListServer
> >>
> >
> >
Ok, but anyway this system works great with windows XP, and now windows 7
comes with this strange behavior.
If you see any VDI solution (Citrix PVS do this), booting several machines
from the same image is what they do, so I think this is possible somehow,
right?
I’m not trying to fake any hardware ID,I just want to know if is there any
“right” way of do this for windows activation.
By the way, stay calm, we always use a Volume license under an special
agreement with Microsoft for the licenses. =)
Could it be some security problem, some problem with my security descriptor
perhaps ?
Thanks
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Don Burn wrote:
> If you root around you will find that Windows activation depends on a
> number of hardware items. The goal is specifically to stop people from
> using the same copy on multiple machines which is what your stated purpose
> is. Even if you were to somehow fake the hardware, then the next set of
> challenges would kick in, and having worked with activation and
> virtualization the next set make these look trivial.
>
> You are not going to be able to get the same image to boot multiple
> systems.
>
>
> Don Burn (MVP, Windows DKD)
> Windows Filesystem and Driver Consulting
> Website: http://www.windrvr.com
> Blog: http://msmvps.com/blogs/WinDrvr
>
>
>
>
> “Guilherme Moro” wrote in message
> news:xxxxx@ntdev:
>
>
> more information
>>
>> looking at the event viewer I see that “Software Protection Platform
>> Service” gives erros, talking about hardaware changes, and so it rearm
>> windows activation.
>>
>> So the disk identification can be the root of the problem, or can some
>> other
>> ID ( like the bus ID of the driver ) cause any impact on the activation.
>>
>> I was searching around, and microsoft dont seems to tell exactly how the
>> hardware changes affect the activation, anyone know a way to get that
>> information?
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Guilherme Moro >> >wrote:
>>
>> > yes, sorry for the poor information…
>> >
>> > My disk driver is the boot driver and is network backed, I boot the same
>> > “image” of the OS over several machines, all over the network.
>> >
>> > And the problem appears exactly when booting multiples machines, the one
>> > machine where I activate windows (the machine where I extracted the
>> image)
>> > keeps booting normally, but the other machines deactivate when booted.
>> >
>> > I’m using a volume MAK cd-key…
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Mark Roddy
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Is your disk driver taking over the boot disk?
>> >> Mark Roddy
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Guilherme Moro <
>> xxxxx@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hello all,
>> >>>
>> >>> I’m facing a problem with the windows 7 activation…
>> >>>
>> >>> I’m developing a disk driver, and I suspect that some identifier of my
>> >>> driver is making windows rearm the activation (windows deactivate, but
>> >>> activate again right away over the internet, without any errors).
>> >>>
>> >>> If anyone can point me something (docs, experiences, …)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> thanks
>> >>>
>> >>> Guilherme
>> >>> — NTDEV is sponsored by OSR For our schedule of WDF, WDM, debugging
>> and
>> >>> other seminars visit: http://www.osr.com/seminars To unsubscribe,
>> visit
>> >>> the List Server section of OSR Online at
>> >>> http://www.osronline.com/page.cfm?name=ListServer
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> — NTDEV is sponsored by OSR For our schedule of WDF, WDM, debugging
>> and
>> >> other seminars visit: http://www.osr.com/seminars To unsubscribe,
>> visit
>> >> the List Server section of OSR Online at
>> >> http://www.osronline.com/page.cfm?name=ListServer
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
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This sounds like normal licensing behavior.
On Sep 8, 2010 7:06 PM, “Guilherme Moro” wrote:
> Ok, but anyway this system works great with windows XP, and now windows 7
> comes with this strange behavior.
>
> If you see any VDI solution (Citrix PVS do this), booting several machines
> from the same image is what they do, so I think this is possible somehow,
> right?
>
> I’m not trying to fake any hardware ID,I just want to know if is there any
> “right” way of do this for windows activation.
>
> By the way, stay calm, we always use a Volume license under an special
> agreement with Microsoft for the licenses. =)
>
> Could it be some security problem, some problem with my security
descriptor
> perhaps ?
>
> Thanks
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Don Burn wrote:
>
>> If you root around you will find that Windows activation depends on a
>> number of hardware items. The goal is specifically to stop people from
>> using the same copy on multiple machines which is what your stated
purpose
>> is. Even if you were to somehow fake the hardware, then the next set of
>> challenges would kick in, and having worked with activation and
>> virtualization the next set make these look trivial.
>>
>> You are not going to be able to get the same image to boot multiple
>> systems.
>>
>>
>> Don Burn (MVP, Windows DKD)
>> Windows Filesystem and Driver Consulting
>> Website: http://www.windrvr.com
>> Blog: http://msmvps.com/blogs/WinDrvr
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> “Guilherme Moro” wrote in message
>> news:xxxxx@ntdev:
>>
>>
>> more information
>>>
>>> looking at the event viewer I see that “Software Protection Platform
>>> Service” gives erros, talking about hardaware changes, and so it rearm
>>> windows activation.
>>>
>>> So the disk identification can be the root of the problem, or can some
>>> other
>>> ID ( like the bus ID of the driver ) cause any impact on the activation.
>>>
>>> I was searching around, and microsoft dont seems to tell exactly how the
>>> hardware changes affect the activation, anyone know a way to get that
>>> information?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Guilherme Moro >>> >wrote:
>>>
>>> > yes, sorry for the poor information…
>>> >
>>> > My disk driver is the boot driver and is network backed, I boot the
same
>>> > “image” of the OS over several machines, all over the network.
>>> >
>>> > And the problem appears exactly when booting multiples machines, the
one
>>> > machine where I activate windows (the machine where I extracted the
>>> image)
>>> > keeps booting normally, but the other machines deactivate when booted.
>>> >
>>> > I’m using a volume MAK cd-key…
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Mark Roddy
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Is your disk driver taking over the boot disk?
>>> >> Mark Roddy
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Guilherme Moro <
>>> xxxxx@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Hello all,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I’m facing a problem with the windows 7 activation…
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I’m developing a disk driver, and I suspect that some identifier of
my
>>> >>> driver is making windows rearm the activation (windows deactivate,
but
>>> >>> activate again right away over the internet, without any errors).
>>> >>>
>>> >>> If anyone can point me something (docs, experiences, …)
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> thanks
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Guilherme
>>> >>> — NTDEV is sponsored by OSR For our schedule of WDF, WDM,
debugging
>>> and
>>> >>> other seminars visit: http://www.osr.com/seminars To unsubscribe,
>>> visit
>>> >>> the List Server section of OSR Online at
>>> >>> http://www.osronline.com/page.cfm?name=ListServer
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >> — NTDEV is sponsored by OSR For our schedule of WDF, WDM, debugging
>>> and
>>> >> other seminars visit: http://www.osr.com/seminars To unsubscribe,
>>> visit
>>> >> the List Server section of OSR Online at
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>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>> —
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>
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The activation stuff in older systems used the following items DiskId,
CD-Rom ID, MAC Address, amount of memory and number of processors. I
think this has changed in future systems. Once you get by that you have
problems with the System SID, and all sorts of problems if you either
don’t let the system write to the disk or if you let multiple systems
write to the disk.
I don’t know what Citrix is doing but most VDI systems have a disk per
system and do a lot of adjustments to make the disk look like a system
coming up just as the activation would kick in and record the special
values. The hypervisor companies I’ve worked with migrate the system
parameters for an activated system with the image.
Don Burn (MVP, Windows DKD)
Windows Filesystem and Driver Consulting
Website: http://www.windrvr.com
Blog: http://msmvps.com/blogs/WinDrvr
“Guilherme Moro” wrote in message
news:xxxxx@ntdev:
> Ok, but anyway this system works great with windows XP, and now windows 7
> comes with this strange behavior.
>
> If you see any VDI solution (Citrix PVS do this), booting several machines
> from the same image is what they do, so I think this is possible somehow,
> right?
>
> I’m not trying to fake any hardware ID,I just want to know if is there any
> “right” way of do this for windows activation.
>
> By the way, stay calm, we always use a Volume license under an special
> agreement with Microsoft for the licenses. =)
>
> Could it be some security problem, some problem with my security descriptor
> perhaps ?
>
> Thanks
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Don Burn wrote:
>
> > If you root around you will find that Windows activation depends on a
> > number of hardware items. The goal is specifically to stop people from
> > using the same copy on multiple machines which is what your stated purpose
> > is. Even if you were to somehow fake the hardware, then the next set of
> > challenges would kick in, and having worked with activation and
> > virtualization the next set make these look trivial.
> >
> > You are not going to be able to get the same image to boot multiple
> > systems.
> >
> >
> > Don Burn (MVP, Windows DKD)
> > Windows Filesystem and Driver Consulting
> > Website: http://www.windrvr.com
> > Blog: http://msmvps.com/blogs/WinDrvr
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > “Guilherme Moro” wrote in message
> > news:xxxxx@ntdev:
> >
> >
> > more information
> >>
> >> looking at the event viewer I see that “Software Protection Platform
> >> Service” gives erros, talking about hardaware changes, and so it rearm
> >> windows activation.
> >>
> >> So the disk identification can be the root of the problem, or can some
> >> other
> >> ID ( like the bus ID of the driver ) cause any impact on the activation.
> >>
> >> I was searching around, and microsoft dont seems to tell exactly how the
> >> hardware changes affect the activation, anyone know a way to get that
> >> information?
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Guilherme Moro > >> >wrote:
> >>
> >> > yes, sorry for the poor information…
> >> >
> >> > My disk driver is the boot driver and is network backed, I boot the same
> >> > “image” of the OS over several machines, all over the network.
> >> >
> >> > And the problem appears exactly when booting multiples machines, the one
> >> > machine where I activate windows (the machine where I extracted the
> >> image)
> >> > keeps booting normally, but the other machines deactivate when booted.
> >> >
> >> > I’m using a volume MAK cd-key…
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Mark Roddy
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Is your disk driver taking over the boot disk?
> >> >> Mark Roddy
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Guilherme Moro <
> >> xxxxx@gmail.com>wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Hello all,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I’m facing a problem with the windows 7 activation…
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I’m developing a disk driver, and I suspect that some identifier of my
> >> >>> driver is making windows rearm the activation (windows deactivate, but
> >> >>> activate again right away over the internet, without any errors).
> >> >>>
> >> >>> If anyone can point me something (docs, experiences, …)
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> thanks
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Guilherme
> >> >>> — NTDEV is sponsored by OSR For our schedule of WDF, WDM, debugging
> >> and
> >> >>> other seminars visit: http://www.osr.com/seminars To unsubscribe,
> >> visit
> >> >>> the List Server section of OSR Online at
> >> >>> http://www.osronline.com/page.cfm?name=ListServer
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> — NTDEV is sponsored by OSR For our schedule of WDF, WDM, debugging
> >> and
> >> >> other seminars visit: http://www.osr.com/seminars To unsubscribe,
> >> visit
> >> >> the List Server section of OSR Online at
> >> >> http://www.osronline.com/page.cfm?name=ListServer
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> > —
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> >
Is, this is the normal behavior, but when the machines has exactly the same
hardware (a set of identical dell machines, in my case) , you can boot up
the same image without problem with the activation.
But this time I getting over and over the same deactivation process, only
the original machine keeps activated.
About the licensing and activation problem, I understand that I will face a
lot of other problems, but I know that Citrix do this, so I must believe
that this is possible (see the Citrix Website, PVS is an interesting
solution).
Thanks
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 8:08 PM, MARTIN OBRIEN <
xxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:
This sounds like normal licensing behavior.
On Sep 8, 2010 7:06 PM, “Guilherme Moro” wrote:
> > Ok, but anyway this system works great with windows XP, and now windows 7
> > comes with this strange behavior.
> >
> > If you see any VDI solution (Citrix PVS do this), booting several
> machines
> > from the same image is what they do, so I think this is possible somehow,
> > right?
> >
> > I’m not trying to fake any hardware ID,I just want to know if is there
> any
> > “right” way of do this for windows activation.
> >
> > By the way, stay calm, we always use a Volume license under an special
> > agreement with Microsoft for the licenses. =)
> >
> > Could it be some security problem, some problem with my security
> descriptor
> > perhaps ?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Don Burn wrote:
> >
> >> If you root around you will find that Windows activation depends on a
> >> number of hardware items. The goal is specifically to stop people from
> >> using the same copy on multiple machines which is what your stated
> purpose
> >> is. Even if you were to somehow fake the hardware, then the next set of
> >> challenges would kick in, and having worked with activation and
> >> virtualization the next set make these look trivial.
> >>
> >> You are not going to be able to get the same image to boot multiple
> >> systems.
> >>
> >>
> >> Don Burn (MVP, Windows DKD)
> >> Windows Filesystem and Driver Consulting
> >> Website: http://www.windrvr.com
> >> Blog: http://msmvps.com/blogs/WinDrvr
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> “Guilherme Moro” wrote in message
> >> news:xxxxx@ntdev:
> >>
> >>
> >> more information
> >>>
> >>> looking at the event viewer I see that “Software Protection Platform
> >>> Service” gives erros, talking about hardaware changes, and so it rearm
> >>> windows activation.
> >>>
> >>> So the disk identification can be the root of the problem, or can some
> >>> other
> >>> ID ( like the bus ID of the driver ) cause any impact on the
> activation.
> >>>
> >>> I was searching around, and microsoft dont seems to tell exactly how
> the
> >>> hardware changes affect the activation, anyone know a way to get that
> >>> information?
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Guilherme Moro <
> xxxxx@gmail.com
> >>> >wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > yes, sorry for the poor information…
> >>> >
> >>> > My disk driver is the boot driver and is network backed, I boot the
> same
> >>> > “image” of the OS over several machines, all over the network.
> >>> >
> >>> > And the problem appears exactly when booting multiples machines, the
> one
> >>> > machine where I activate windows (the machine where I extracted the
> >>> image)
> >>> > keeps booting normally, but the other machines deactivate when
> booted.
> >>> >
> >>> > I’m using a volume MAK cd-key…
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Mark Roddy
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> Is your disk driver taking over the boot disk?
> >>> >> Mark Roddy
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Guilherme Moro <
> >>> xxxxx@gmail.com>wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>> Hello all,
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I’m facing a problem with the windows 7 activation…
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I’m developing a disk driver, and I suspect that some identifier of
> my
> >>> >>> driver is making windows rearm the activation (windows deactivate,
> but
> >>> >>> activate again right away over the internet, without any errors).
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> If anyone can point me something (docs, experiences, …)
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> thanks
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Guilherme
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NIC MAC address and CPU Serial# are part of the installation ID. If you boot around, that will count as reactivation trigger.
Yeah you can’t do that as they appear cloned. There is machine specific data
(and don’t ask me where as I forget) that has to be different for each
machine or they get rejected.
Mark Roddy
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Guilherme Moro wrote:
> yes, sorry for the poor information…
>
> My disk driver is the boot driver and is network backed, I boot the same
> “image” of the OS over several machines, all over the network.
>
> And the problem appears exactly when booting multiples machines, the one
> machine where I activate windows (the machine where I extracted the image)
> keeps booting normally, but the other machines deactivate when booted.
>
> I’m using a volume MAK cd-key…
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Mark Roddy wrote:
>
>> Is your disk driver taking over the boot disk?
>> Mark Roddy
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Guilherme Moro wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I’m facing a problem with the windows 7 activation…
>>>
>>> I’m developing a disk driver, and I suspect that some identifier of my
>>> driver is making windows rearm the activation (windows deactivate, but
>>> activate again right away over the internet, without any errors).
>>>
>>> If anyone can point me something (docs, experiences, …)
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> Guilherme
>>> — NTDEV is sponsored by OSR For our schedule of WDF, WDM, debugging and
>>> other seminars visit: http://www.osr.com/seminars To unsubscribe, visit
>>> the List Server section of OSR Online at
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>>
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CPUs have serial numbers?
joe
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NIC MAC address and CPU Serial# are part of the installation ID. If you boot
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Some CPU’s have 96-bit serial numbers (accessible via the CPUID
instruction). Intel had a big marketing splash when it was first released
(in about 1999), and the press turned it into Intel spying on users. You
would have to check the processor manuals (try
http://www.intel.com/Assets/PDF/appnote/241618.pdf) about which models to
and don’t support it. I believe support was added on some processors to
disable the serial number (in the name of protecting user privacy), and some
processors just dropped the feature. The noted document says CPU serial
numbers were dropped starting in the Pentium 4, although it seems like some
of the Xeon’s continued to support it (I could be wrong).
The press didn’t seem to mention that EVERY Ethernet card has a unique
serial number as part of the basic design of Ethernet, but this was somehow
not a threat to privacy in the same way as CPU serial numbers. The technical
ignorance of the press and public at times try my patience.
Jan
CPUs have serial numbers?
joe
Agreed, though I’m not sure that it’s necessarily ignorance in the case of
the press.
mm
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[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Jan Bottorff
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2010 11:05 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: RE: [ntdev] Windows 7 activation problem, again…
Some CPU’s have 96-bit serial numbers (accessible via the CPUID
instruction). Intel had a big marketing splash when it was first released
(in about 1999), and the press turned it into Intel spying on users. You
would have to check the processor manuals (try
http://www.intel.com/Assets/PDF/appnote/241618.pdf) about which models to
and don’t support it. I believe support was added on some processors to
disable the serial number (in the name of protecting user privacy), and some
processors just dropped the feature. The noted document says CPU serial
numbers were dropped starting in the Pentium 4, although it seems like some
of the Xeon’s continued to support it (I could be wrong).
The press didn’t seem to mention that EVERY Ethernet card has a unique
serial number as part of the basic design of Ethernet, but this was somehow
not a threat to privacy in the same way as CPU serial numbers. The technical
ignorance of the press and public at times try my patience.
Jan
CPUs have serial numbers?
joe
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On 09/09/2010 05:04 AM, Jan Bottorff wrote:
The press didn’t seem to mention that EVERY Ethernet card has a unique
serial number as part of the basic design of Ethernet, but this was somehow
not a threat to privacy in the same way as CPU serial numbers.
(a) Ethernet MAC addresses can be changed (CPU IDs not).
(b) MAC addresses normally don’t show up at back-end systems.
(c) CPU "GUID"s, on the other hand, would have served extremely well for
obtaining interesting targeted personal profiles. By matching CPU orders
and distribution lists you could get even more interesting data.
The ignorance of most developers regarding data protection and privacy
at times tries my patience. 
> (a) Ethernet MAC addresses can be changed (CPU IDs not).
You can set the active MAC address to anything you want, but this will not change the permanent MAC address, which will still be queriable by the apps (just not used for network traffic in this scenario).
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In so far as there is not way to ‘know’ (as an application) that the software between the caller and the NIC hardware is actually telling the truth, this ‘fact’ is tenuous at best. The IEEE rational for having and issuing an BIA is really about ensuring there is no excuse for station address collision within the scope of the MAC layer. Reliance on the ‘value’ and any percieved ‘properties of that value’ outside of the MAC layer are not guaranteed.
Simple cases include:
VM configuraiton software which allows you to ‘specify’ what is ultimately reported by the (virtual) hardware as a BIA.
Virtual network adapters that return an arbitrary (and often non-unique) value for the BIA because they do not actually provide physical attachment via an IEEE802 MAC.
So even the BIA is questionable in regards to its immutability and uniqueness outside of the narrow scope of IEE802.
Cheers,
Dave Cattley
From: xxxxx@storagecraft.com
Subject: Re:[ntdev] Windows 7 activation problem, again…
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:55:56 +0400
To: xxxxx@lists.osr.com> (a) Ethernet MAC addresses can be changed (CPU IDs not).
You can set the active MAC address to anything you want, but this will not change the permanent MAC address, which will still be queriable by the apps (just not used for network traffic in this scenario).
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Windows DDK MVP
xxxxx@storagecraft.com
http://www.storagecraft.com
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