I would like to run Vista 64-bit on my development system. Furthermore I would like to run Vista 32-bit & 64-bit on a test machine and inside several virtual machines on my development system. What would be the optimal license(s) to purchase? I am not subscribed to MSDN at this time.
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Get an MSDN subscription. You need a license for each of those vista VMs plus both of your test Oss plus your development system. The MSDN subscription would cover all of that at a lower price than purchasing individual licenses.
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Subject: [ntdev] What Vista version should I get?I would like to run Vista 64-bit on my development system. Furthermore
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several virtual machines on my development system. What would be the
optimal license(s) to purchase? I am not subscribed to MSDN at this
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In the interest of getting a second opinion, I offer that Mark is 100%
correct, and it is not even going to be close, assuming that you use
more than a few test machines and/or pretty much anything else MSDN
provides, which would be very hard not to do, even intentionally. There
are several different levels of the subscription, and unless you need to
consider Office applications, more or less, I don’t think I’ve ever met
a developer who needed the Enterprise level (or whatever it is called
now), or could get by with anything less than Professional.
mm
>> xxxxx@hollistech.com 2007-02-22 07:37 >>>
Get an MSDN subscription. You need a license for each of those vista
VMs plus both of your test Oss plus your development system. The MSDN
subscription would cover all of that at a lower price than purchasing
individual licenses.
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Subject: [ntdev] What Vista version should I get?I would like to run Vista 64-bit on my development system.
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I would like to run Vista 32-bit & 64-bit on a test machine and
inside
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Actually, I’ve had a customer who needed a storage filter driver and wanted
to be sure performance on SQL server did not drop below a certain level, so
I guess I am the exception to the rule I have actually used MSDN Enterprise
level for my work.
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“Martin O’Brien” evitechnology.com> wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> In the interest of getting a second opinion, I offer that Mark is 100%
> correct, and it is not even going to be close, assuming that you use
> more than a few test machines and/or pretty much anything else MSDN
> provides, which would be very hard not to do, even intentionally. There
> are several different levels of the subscription, and unless you need to
> consider Office applications, more or less, I don’t think I’ve ever met
> a developer who needed the Enterprise level (or whatever it is called
> now), or could get by with anything less than Professional.
>
> mm
>
>>>> xxxxx@hollistech.com 2007-02-22 07:37 >>>
> Get an MSDN subscription. You need a license for each of those vista
> VMs plus both of your test Oss plus your development system. The MSDN
> subscription would cover all of that at a lower price than purchasing
> individual licenses.
>
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>> xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of xxxxx@email.com
>> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 7:13 AM
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>> Subject: [ntdev] What Vista version should I get?
>>
>> I would like to run Vista 64-bit on my development system.
> Furthermore
>> I would like to run Vista 32-bit & 64-bit on a test machine and
> inside
>> several virtual machines on my development system. What would be the
>> optimal license(s) to purchase? I am not subscribed to MSDN at this
>> time.
>>
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You’re right Don. I forgot about SQL Server. Is there still a
Developer Version in the Professional? I used SQL Server once myself,
but it was probably seven years ago, and as I recall there were some
restrictions imposed on the Developer Version.
mm
>> xxxxx@acm.org 2007-02-22 09:13 >>>
Actually, I’ve had a customer who needed a storage filter driver and
wanted
to be sure performance on SQL server did not drop below a certain
level, so
I guess I am the exception to the rule I have actually used MSDN
Enterprise
level for my work.
–
Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
Website: http://www.windrvr.com
Blog: http://msmvps.com/blogs/WinDrvr
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“Martin O’Brien” evitechnology.com> wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> In the interest of getting a second opinion, I offer that Mark is
100%
> correct, and it is not even going to be close, assuming that you use
> more than a few test machines and/or pretty much anything else MSDN
> provides, which would be very hard not to do, even intentionally.
There
> are several different levels of the subscription, and unless you need
to
> consider Office applications, more or less, I don’t think I’ve ever
met
> a developer who needed the Enterprise level (or whatever it is
called
> now), or could get by with anything less than Professional.
>
> mm
>
>>>> xxxxx@hollistech.com 2007-02-22 07:37 >>>
> Get an MSDN subscription. You need a license for each of those vista
> VMs plus both of your test Oss plus your development system. The
MSDN
> subscription would cover all of that at a lower price than
purchasing
> individual licenses.
>
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>> xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of xxxxx@email.com
>> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 7:13 AM
>> To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
>> Subject: [ntdev] What Vista version should I get?
>>
>> I would like to run Vista 64-bit on my development system.
> Furthermore
>> I would like to run Vista 32-bit & 64-bit on a test machine and
> inside
>> several virtual machines on my development system. What would be
the
>> optimal license(s) to purchase? I am not subscribed to MSDN at this
>> time.
>>
>> eof
>>
>>
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If I recall correctly the developer edition is the same as the desktop
edition and can be downloaded for free. I’ve got the Enterprise edition
myself, and have used the various server components in projects more than
once. I would say that the Professional is a minimum for serious developers.
Sam Robinson
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You’re right Don. I forgot about SQL Server. Is there still a
Developer Version in the Professional? I used SQL Server once myself,
but it was probably seven years ago, and as I recall there were some
restrictions imposed on the Developer Version.
mm
>> xxxxx@acm.org 2007-02-22 09:13 >>>
Actually, I’ve had a customer who needed a storage filter driver and
wanted
to be sure performance on SQL server did not drop below a certain
level, so
I guess I am the exception to the rule I have actually used MSDN
Enterprise
level for my work.
–
Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
Website: http://www.windrvr.com
Blog: http://msmvps.com/blogs/WinDrvr
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“Martin O’Brien” evitechnology.com> wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> In the interest of getting a second opinion, I offer that Mark is
100%
> correct, and it is not even going to be close, assuming that you use
> more than a few test machines and/or pretty much anything else MSDN
> provides, which would be very hard not to do, even intentionally.
There
> are several different levels of the subscription, and unless you need
to
> consider Office applications, more or less, I don’t think I’ve ever
met
> a developer who needed the Enterprise level (or whatever it is
called
> now), or could get by with anything less than Professional.
>
> mm
>
>>>> xxxxx@hollistech.com 2007-02-22 07:37 >>>
> Get an MSDN subscription. You need a license for each of those vista
> VMs plus both of your test Oss plus your development system. The
MSDN
> subscription would cover all of that at a lower price than
purchasing
> individual licenses.
>
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>> xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of xxxxx@email.com
>> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 7:13 AM
>> To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
>> Subject: [ntdev] What Vista version should I get?
>>
>> I would like to run Vista 64-bit on my development system.
> Furthermore
>> I would like to run Vista 32-bit & 64-bit on a test machine and
> inside
>> several virtual machines on my development system. What would be
the
>> optimal license(s) to purchase? I am not subscribed to MSDN at this
>> time.
>>
>> eof
>>
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Thanks for the suggestions. I started going down the MSDN path and see that VS2005 Pro with MSDN Pro lists for $1200. A further cost barrier is that it is against the license agreement to install Vista from that on my development system because the EULA says “If a computer using an MSDN-licensed OS is used for any purpose other than development and testing (for example, a developer’s primary computer which is also used for corporate email), then a production-use OS license for the computer is required.”
Purchasing VS2005 Standard and a few Vista licenses would seem to cut the cost well under half. The Vista Ultimate EULA also allows installation into VM’s. I have had MSDN in the past, but I just don’t see the benefits of subscribing anymore. I’ve developed apps & drivers for years now without it.
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