Version 6.5.3.7 slow response

There is a delay during start up that almost makes SoftIce look good. I
notice it most when I use a partial checked build because the environment
becomes totally unusable. Mouse moves take minutes to happen, and breaking
into the system now MIGHT happen 5 minutes from now. I suspect there may be
a big problem between the versions of the ntoskernel files for SP2 I have.
The fresh install of SP2 I yesterday has a build number several hundred
greater than the checked build version I down loaded today.

At least the free build seems to respond properly once you are at the
desktop. Debugging during boot may be a problem since I note the mouse
moving at cycles per minute before Winlogon is presented.

Am I alone in this observation? Or did I miss the discussion?


Gary G. Little

Are you seeing a lot of spew coming out of the debugger during the
slowdowns? That’s usually the cause.

Jason

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Subject: [windbg] Version 6.5.3.7 slow response

There is a delay during start up that almost makes SoftIce look good. I
notice it most when I use a partial checked build because the
environment
becomes totally unusable. Mouse moves take minutes to happen, and
breaking
into the system now MIGHT happen 5 minutes from now. I suspect there may
be
a big problem between the versions of the ntoskernel files for SP2 I
have.
The fresh install of SP2 I yesterday has a build number several hundred
greater than the checked build version I down loaded today.

At least the free build seems to respond properly once you are at the
desktop. Debugging during boot may be a problem since I note the mouse
moving at cycles per minute before Winlogon is presented.

Am I alone in this observation? Or did I miss the discussion?


Gary G. Little


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I wouldn’t say a lot where “a lot” means bottom to top of monitor faster
than the eye can see with the cursor pegged at the bottom.

I do see a lot of warnings about symbols, but most of that is usually after
several reboots. Some of which are complaints about not having symbology for
WDF.


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“Jason Shay” wrote in message
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Are you seeing a lot of spew coming out of the debugger during the
slowdowns? That’s usually the cause.

Jason

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Subject: [windbg] Version 6.5.3.7 slow response

There is a delay during start up that almost makes SoftIce look good. I
notice it most when I use a partial checked build because the
environment
becomes totally unusable. Mouse moves take minutes to happen, and
breaking
into the system now MIGHT happen 5 minutes from now. I suspect there may
be
a big problem between the versions of the ntoskernel files for SP2 I
have.
The fresh install of SP2 I yesterday has a build number several hundred
greater than the checked build version I down loaded today.

At least the free build seems to respond properly once you are at the
desktop. Debugging during boot may be a problem since I note the mouse
moving at cycles per minute before Winlogon is presented.

Am I alone in this observation? Or did I miss the discussion?


Gary G. Little


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Having a side conversation with Don Burn he pointed out to me a discrepancy
in the versions and version numbers, so I went to the site and downloaded
6.5.3.8, which still says it is 6.5.3.7. I’m evaluating the problem(s) again
with this incorrectly monicered version.

I do note that the opening Windows fanfare does not sound like it is being
played with on a very slowly spinning down record player.


The personal opinion of
Gary G. Little

“Jason Shay” wrote in message
news:xxxxx@windbg…
Are you seeing a lot of spew coming out of the debugger during the
slowdowns? That’s usually the cause.

Jason

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Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:35 AM
To: Kernel Debugging Interest List
Subject: [windbg] Version 6.5.3.7 slow response

There is a delay during start up that almost makes SoftIce look good. I
notice it most when I use a partial checked build because the
environment
becomes totally unusable. Mouse moves take minutes to happen, and
breaking
into the system now MIGHT happen 5 minutes from now. I suspect there may
be
a big problem between the versions of the ntoskernel files for SP2 I
have.
The fresh install of SP2 I yesterday has a build number several hundred
greater than the checked build version I down loaded today.

At least the free build seems to respond properly once you are at the
desktop. Debugging during boot may be a problem since I note the mouse
moving at cycles per minute before Winlogon is presented.

Am I alone in this observation? Or did I miss the discussion?


Gary G. Little


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Note that there is for the most part no difference between 6.5.3.7 and
.8. The core binaries are 100% identical, with the only change being
symsrv.dll and redist.txt (it is a hotfix for a scenario involving
downloading source from http source paths).

Jason

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[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Gary G. Little
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:38 AM
To: Kernel Debugging Interest List
Subject: Re:[windbg] Version 6.5.3.7 slow response

Having a side conversation with Don Burn he pointed out to me a
discrepancy
in the versions and version numbers, so I went to the site and
downloaded
6.5.3.8, which still says it is 6.5.3.7. I’m evaluating the problem(s)
again
with this incorrectly monicered version.

I do note that the opening Windows fanfare does not sound like it is
being
played with on a very slowly spinning down record player.


The personal opinion of
Gary G. Little

“Jason Shay” wrote in message
news:xxxxx@windbg…
Are you seeing a lot of spew coming out of the debugger during the
slowdowns? That’s usually the cause.

Jason

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Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:35 AM
To: Kernel Debugging Interest List
Subject: [windbg] Version 6.5.3.7 slow response

There is a delay during start up that almost makes SoftIce look good. I
notice it most when I use a partial checked build because the
environment
becomes totally unusable. Mouse moves take minutes to happen, and
breaking
into the system now MIGHT happen 5 minutes from now. I suspect there may
be
a big problem between the versions of the ntoskernel files for SP2 I
have.
The fresh install of SP2 I yesterday has a build number several hundred
greater than the checked build version I down loaded today.

At least the free build seems to respond properly once you are at the
desktop. Debugging during boot may be a problem since I note the mouse
moving at cycles per minute before Winlogon is presented.

Am I alone in this observation? Or did I miss the discussion?


Gary G. Little


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Then I can only say you have taken a very big JUMP backwards. Sorry, but I
would not recommend that any one download .8 or .7 and use it for the very
reason that it is totally unusable. With a partial check build setup using
the HAL and Kernel check builds it took nearly 20 minutes to boot, the
fanfare banner itself taking almost 5 minutes to play. That is totally
unacceptable when you consider that the driver I am working on replaces all
existent HBAs requiring numerous boots during the day.

The problem is that the slow down is carried over into normal system
operations after boot is complete. Case in point … the HW wizard pops up
to install the drivers for a target HBA. Things proceed fine until I tell it
“Have a disk” but then it taes over a minute for the cursor to respond so I
can tell the wizard the path to the INF file. Given that Jason, would you
continue to use .7/.8?

I just uninstalled .8 and installed 6.4.7.0, and my only conclusion, in the
few
minutes I have been using it, is that the .7 .8 debacle is just that. A
debacle
that should not have been foisted off on us as a viable release of such an
important tool. .7/.8 does NOT work with the checked build, at least it does
not on my machine.


The personal opinion of
Gary G. Little

“Jason Shay” wrote in message
news:xxxxx@windbg…
Note that there is for the most part no difference between 6.5.3.7 and
.8. The core binaries are 100% identical, with the only change being
symsrv.dll and redist.txt (it is a hotfix for a scenario involving
downloading source from http source paths).

Jason

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Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:38 AM
To: Kernel Debugging Interest List
Subject: Re:[windbg] Version 6.5.3.7 slow response

Having a side conversation with Don Burn he pointed out to me a
discrepancy
in the versions and version numbers, so I went to the site and
downloaded
6.5.3.8, which still says it is 6.5.3.7. I’m evaluating the problem(s)
again
with this incorrectly monicered version.

I do note that the opening Windows fanfare does not sound like it is
being
played with on a very slowly spinning down record player.


The personal opinion of
Gary G. Little

“Jason Shay” wrote in message
news:xxxxx@windbg…
Are you seeing a lot of spew coming out of the debugger during the
slowdowns? That’s usually the cause.

Jason

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[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Gary G. Little
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:35 AM
To: Kernel Debugging Interest List
Subject: [windbg] Version 6.5.3.7 slow response

There is a delay during start up that almost makes SoftIce look good. I
notice it most when I use a partial checked build because the
environment
becomes totally unusable. Mouse moves take minutes to happen, and
breaking
into the system now MIGHT happen 5 minutes from now. I suspect there may
be
a big problem between the versions of the ntoskernel files for SP2 I
have.
The fresh install of SP2 I yesterday has a build number several hundred
greater than the checked build version I down loaded today.

At least the free build seems to respond properly once you are at the
desktop. Debugging during boot may be a problem since I note the mouse
moving at cycles per minute before Winlogon is presented.

Am I alone in this observation? Or did I miss the discussion?


Gary G. Little


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This is the first piece of this thread where you indicate that
everything works okay with v6.4.7, which certainly shoots down the
theory that the dbgprint messages are what’s slowing you down.

Can you collect some additional information:

  • Turn on !sym noisy
  • turn on the ctrl+D noisy output
  • Boot the target

There will be a bunch of transport spew (and some symbol spew inbetween
if there are symbol load attempts). Can you collect this output for
both 6.4 and 6.5 and attach them, to see if there are major differences?

Jason

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Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:47 PM
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Subject: Re:[windbg] Version 6.5.3.7 slow response

Then I can only say you have taken a very big JUMP backwards. Sorry, but
I
would not recommend that any one download .8 or .7 and use it for the
very
reason that it is totally unusable. With a partial check build setup
using
the HAL and Kernel check builds it took nearly 20 minutes to boot, the
fanfare banner itself taking almost 5 minutes to play. That is totally
unacceptable when you consider that the driver I am working on replaces
all
existent HBAs requiring numerous boots during the day.

The problem is that the slow down is carried over into normal system
operations after boot is complete. Case in point … the HW wizard pops
up
to install the drivers for a target HBA. Things proceed fine until I
tell it
“Have a disk” but then it taes over a minute for the cursor to respond
so I
can tell the wizard the path to the INF file. Given that Jason, would
you
continue to use .7/.8?

I just uninstalled .8 and installed 6.4.7.0, and my only conclusion, in
the
few
minutes I have been using it, is that the .7 .8 debacle is just that. A
debacle
that should not have been foisted off on us as a viable release of such
an
important tool. .7/.8 does NOT work with the checked build, at least it
does
not on my machine.


The personal opinion of
Gary G. Little

“Jason Shay” wrote in message
news:xxxxx@windbg…
Note that there is for the most part no difference between 6.5.3.7 and
.8. The core binaries are 100% identical, with the only change being
symsrv.dll and redist.txt (it is a hotfix for a scenario involving
downloading source from http source paths).

Jason

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[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Gary G. Little
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:38 AM
To: Kernel Debugging Interest List
Subject: Re:[windbg] Version 6.5.3.7 slow response

Having a side conversation with Don Burn he pointed out to me a
discrepancy
in the versions and version numbers, so I went to the site and
downloaded
6.5.3.8, which still says it is 6.5.3.7. I’m evaluating the problem(s)
again
with this incorrectly monicered version.

I do note that the opening Windows fanfare does not sound like it is
being
played with on a very slowly spinning down record player.


The personal opinion of
Gary G. Little

“Jason Shay” wrote in message
news:xxxxx@windbg…
Are you seeing a lot of spew coming out of the debugger during the
slowdowns? That’s usually the cause.

Jason

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Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:35 AM
To: Kernel Debugging Interest List
Subject: [windbg] Version 6.5.3.7 slow response

There is a delay during start up that almost makes SoftIce look good. I
notice it most when I use a partial checked build because the
environment
becomes totally unusable. Mouse moves take minutes to happen, and
breaking
into the system now MIGHT happen 5 minutes from now. I suspect there may
be
a big problem between the versions of the ntoskernel files for SP2 I
have.
The fresh install of SP2 I yesterday has a build number several hundred
greater than the checked build version I down loaded today.

At least the free build seems to respond properly once you are at the
desktop. Debugging during boot may be a problem since I note the mouse
moving at cycles per minute before Winlogon is presented.

Am I alone in this observation? Or did I miss the discussion?


Gary G. Little


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I would agree with this. On W2K3 (full checked) it takes even longer.

MM

>> xxxxx@winse.microsoft.com 8/18/2005 12:53:29 PM >>>
Are you seeing a lot of spew coming out of the debugger during the
slowdowns? That’s usually the cause.

Jason

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Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:35 AM
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Subject: [windbg] Version 6.5.3.7 slow response

There is a delay during start up that almost makes SoftIce look good. I

notice it most when I use a partial checked build because the
environment
becomes totally unusable. Mouse moves take minutes to happen, and
breaking
into the system now MIGHT happen 5 minutes from now. I suspect there
may
be
a big problem between the versions of the ntoskernel files for SP2 I
have.
The fresh install of SP2 I yesterday has a build number several hundred

greater than the checked build version I down loaded today.

At least the free build seems to respond properly once you are at the
desktop. Debugging during boot may be a problem since I note the mouse

moving at cycles per minute before Winlogon is presented.

Am I alone in this observation? Or did I miss the discussion?


Gary G. Little


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I retract my previous statement. I was unaware that you were talking
like 20 minutes. My system takes longer that the previous version, but
nowhere near that long.

>> glittle@mn.rr.com 8/18/2005 3:46:30 PM >>>
Then I can only say you have taken a very big JUMP backwards. Sorry,
but I
would not recommend that any one download .8 or .7 and use it for the
very
reason that it is totally unusable. With a partial check build setup
using
the HAL and Kernel check builds it took nearly 20 minutes to boot, the
fanfare banner itself taking almost 5 minutes to play. That is totally
unacceptable when you consider that the driver I am working on replaces
all
existent HBAs requiring numerous boots during the day.

The problem is that the slow down is carried over into normal system
operations after boot is complete. Case in point … the HW wizard pops
up
to install the drivers for a target HBA. Things proceed fine until I
tell it
“Have a disk” but then it taes over a minute for the cursor to respond
so I
can tell the wizard the path to the INF file. Given that Jason, would
you
continue to use .7/.8?

I just uninstalled .8 and installed 6.4.7.0, and my only conclusion, in
the
few
minutes I have been using it, is that the .7 .8 debacle is just that. A

debacle
that should not have been foisted off on us as a viable release of such
an
important tool. .7/.8 does NOT work with the checked build, at least it
does
not on my machine.


The personal opinion of
Gary G. Little

“Jason Shay” wrote in message
news:xxxxx@windbg…
Note that there is for the most part no difference between 6.5.3.7 and
.8. The core binaries are 100% identical, with the only change being
symsrv.dll and redist.txt (it is a hotfix for a scenario involving
downloading source from http source paths).

Jason

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[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Gary G. Little
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:38 AM
To: Kernel Debugging Interest List
Subject: Re:[windbg] Version 6.5.3.7 slow response

Having a side conversation with Don Burn he pointed out to me a
discrepancy
in the versions and version numbers, so I went to the site and
downloaded
6.5.3.8, which still says it is 6.5.3.7. I’m evaluating the problem(s)
again
with this incorrectly monicered version.

I do note that the opening Windows fanfare does not sound like it is
being
played with on a very slowly spinning down record player.


The personal opinion of
Gary G. Little

“Jason Shay” wrote in message
news:xxxxx@windbg…
Are you seeing a lot of spew coming out of the debugger during the
slowdowns? That’s usually the cause.

Jason

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Subject: [windbg] Version 6.5.3.7 slow response

There is a delay during start up that almost makes SoftIce look good.
I
notice it most when I use a partial checked build because the
environment
becomes totally unusable. Mouse moves take minutes to happen, and
breaking
into the system now MIGHT happen 5 minutes from now. I suspect there
may
be
a big problem between the versions of the ntoskernel files for SP2 I
have.
The fresh install of SP2 I yesterday has a build number several
hundred
greater than the checked build version I down loaded today.

At least the free build seems to respond properly once you are at the
desktop. Debugging during boot may be a problem since I note the mouse
moving at cycles per minute before Winlogon is presented.

Am I alone in this observation? Or did I miss the discussion?


Gary G. Little


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I’ll see what I can do Jason, but I have already burned a lot of daylight
with this, and I’m behind in the debug I must be doing. It’s not only
WinDbg, my handy dandy mule I use as a target is missing one leg, has
arthritis in two others and the only good leg is standing on a banana peel.
Put it all together and it makes for a very unhappy engineer.


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“Martin O’Brien” wrote in message
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>I would agree with this. On W2K3 (full checked) it takes even longer.
>
> MM
>
>
>>>> xxxxx@winse.microsoft.com 8/18/2005 12:53:29 PM >>>
> Are you seeing a lot of spew coming out of the debugger during the
> slowdowns? That’s usually the cause.
>
> Jason
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Gary G. Little
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:35 AM
> To: Kernel Debugging Interest List
> Subject: [windbg] Version 6.5.3.7 slow response
>
> There is a delay during start up that almost makes SoftIce look good. I
>
> notice it most when I use a partial checked build because the
> environment
> becomes totally unusable. Mouse moves take minutes to happen, and
> breaking
> into the system now MIGHT happen 5 minutes from now. I suspect there
> may
> be
> a big problem between the versions of the ntoskernel files for SP2 I
> have.
> The fresh install of SP2 I yesterday has a build number several hundred
>
> greater than the checked build version I down loaded today.
>
> At least the free build seems to respond properly once you are at the
> desktop. Debugging during boot may be a problem since I note the mouse
>
> moving at cycles per minute before Winlogon is presented.
>
> Am I alone in this observation? Or did I miss the discussion?
>
> –
> Gary G. Little
>
>
>
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I would also have to say that 6.5.3.7 is incredibly slower than the previous
version. You break into any system and it takes a very long time to get any
control. It seems that symbol loading is either running much slower or
trying to do a lot of work somewhere else. (Out in the weeds perhaps?) I
turned on noisy symbol loading and it spews messages every so often but in
between, it’s spending a lot of time looking somewhere.

To do simple debugging such as dumping types or using private extension
DLL’s is very slow. In fact, I’m even seeing failures in private extension
DLL’s that used to work fine. I also noticed that I have to frequently
resynch with the target because an extension command will just hang.

jerry

“Gary G. Little” wrote in message news:xxxxx@windbg…
> I’ll see what I can do Jason, but I have already burned a lot of daylight
> with this, and I’m behind in the debug I must be doing. It’s not only
> WinDbg, my handy dandy mule I use as a target is missing one leg, has
> arthritis in two others and the only good leg is standing on a banana
> peel. Put it all together and it makes for a very unhappy engineer.
>
> –
> The personal opinion of
> Gary G. Little
>
> “Martin O’Brien” wrote in message
> news:xxxxx@windbg…
>>I would agree with this. On W2K3 (full checked) it takes even longer.
>>
>> MM
>>
>>
>>>>> xxxxx@winse.microsoft.com 8/18/2005 12:53:29 PM >>>
>> Are you seeing a lot of spew coming out of the debugger during the
>> slowdowns? That’s usually the cause.
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>> [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Gary G. Little
>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:35 AM
>> To: Kernel Debugging Interest List
>> Subject: [windbg] Version 6.5.3.7 slow response
>>
>> There is a delay during start up that almost makes SoftIce look good. I
>>
>> notice it most when I use a partial checked build because the
>> environment
>> becomes totally unusable. Mouse moves take minutes to happen, and
>> breaking
>> into the system now MIGHT happen 5 minutes from now. I suspect there
>> may
>> be
>> a big problem between the versions of the ntoskernel files for SP2 I
>> have.
>> The fresh install of SP2 I yesterday has a build number several hundred
>>
>> greater than the checked build version I down loaded today.
>>
>> At least the free build seems to respond properly once you are at the
>> desktop. Debugging during boot may be a problem since I note the mouse
>>
>> moving at cycles per minute before Winlogon is presented.
>>
>> Am I alone in this observation? Or did I miss the discussion?
>>
>> –
>> Gary G. Little
>>
>>
>>
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>

If you want slow … use a partial cheked build. On that one you can go to
lunch, attend an hour long meeting, and maybe the system will be asking for
a log in prompt when you get back to your desk. Ever hear the Windows
startup banner tune take up up to a minute or more to play EVERY FRIGGING
NOTE!!?!? 6.4 and up versions of WinDBG are reminiscent of the fiasco that
was released along about 1996, which almost killed the product for the
development community.

It’s almost impossible to sync symbols in your code. Even though I have
.kdfiles pointing to the latest build, it seems WinDbg is using the SYS file
in the targets Drivers directory. So far teonly way I can overcome this is
to boot to safe mode on the target, copy yhe SYS and TMF files to a working
directory then copy them to the Drivers directory. So why even use .kdfiles
since you have to movethe SYS file to the target so the PDB file can be used
to find your breakpoint.

As to debug spew: here is the latest. Note that from the
“–>OSEEvtDevicePrepareHardware routine. Driver: 0x7DDD606F” to the final
breakpoint took over 5 minutes. Not an awful lot of debug spew if tat is the
problem. This is on a free build with 6.5.3.8, though the brag line in the
window handle says 6.5.3.7

Shutdown occurred…unloading all symbol tables.
Waiting to reconnect…
Connected to Windows XP 2600 x86 compatible target, ptr64 FALSE
Kernel Debugger connection established. (Initial Breakpoint requested)
DBGHELP: Symbol Search Path:
srv*C:\Symbols*http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols
Symbol search path is:
srv*C:\Symbols*http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols
Executable search path is:
DBGHELP: SharedUserData - virtual symbol module
DBGHELP: nt - public symbols
C:\Symbols\ntkrnlmp.pdb\AA1EE1B2A63A4232A379F3EFDDC4CFE82\ntkrnlmp.pdb
Windows XP Kernel Version 2600 MP (1 procs) Free x86 compatible
Built by: 2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.050301-1519
Kernel base = 0x804d7000 PsLoadedModuleList = 0x805624a0
System Uptime: not available
Break instruction exception - code 80000003 (first chance)
*******************************************************************************
* *
* You are seeing this message because you pressed either *
* CTRL+C (if you run kd.exe) or, *
* CTRL+BREAK (if you run WinDBG), *
* on your debugger machine’s keyboard. *
* *
* THIS IS NOT A BUG OR A SYSTEM CRASH *
* *
* If you did not intend to break into the debugger, press the “g” key, then
*
* press the “Enter” key now. This message might immediately reappear. If it
*
* does, press “g” and “Enter” again. *
* *
*******************************************************************************
DBGHELP: nt - public symbols
C:\Symbols\ntkrnlmp.pdb\AA1EE1B2A63A4232A379F3EFDDC4CFE82\ntkrnlmp.pdb
nt!RtlpBreakWithStatusInstruction:
804e2a52 cc int 3
kd> g
DBGHELP: C:\Symbols\ntdll.dll\411096B4b0000\ntdll.dll - OK
DBGENG: Partial symbol load found image
C:\Symbols\ntdll.dll\411096B4b0000\ntdll.dll.
DBGHELP: ntdll - public symbols
C:\Symbols\ntdll.pdb\36515FB5D04345E491F672FA2E2878C02\ntdll.pdb
DBGHELP: p3 - public symbols
C:\Symbols\p3.pdb\83619DB519044E0D9E207F3C15E2C3611\p3.pdb
DBGHELP: VIDEOPRT - public symbols
C:\Symbols\videoprt.pdb\4F7109A70A214E10A9EB16F46D99D5681\videoprt.pdb
DBGHELP: nv4_mini - public symbols
C:\Symbols\nv4_mini.pdb\334682060D21485394550043012EC7E61\nv4_mini.pdb
DBGHELP: C:\Symbols\el90xbc5.sys\3B537B6310400\el90xbc5.sys - OK
DBGENG: Partial symbol load found image
C:\Symbols\el90xbc5.sys\3B537B6310400\el90xbc5.sys.
DBGHELP: el90xbc5 - public symbols
C:\Symbols\EL90XBC5.pdb\3B58A7F81\EL90XBC5.pdb
DBGHELP: cwcos - public symbols
C:\Symbols\cwcosnt5.pdb\3B577C551\cwcosnt5.pdb
DBGHELP: ks - public symbols
C:\Symbols\ks.pdb\229E1E4007D54B0899543A3F3B247F882\ks.pdb
DBGHELP: cwcspud - public symbols
C:\Symbols\cwcspud.pdb\3B577C551\cwcspud.pdb
DBGHELP: USBPORT - public symbols
C:\Symbols\usbport.pdb\6577C031727943E7BE2D4A8742B28F141\usbport.pdb
DBGHELP: usbohci - public symbols
C:\Symbols\usbohci.pdb\D7B19174DF22436989E2CA044BE14FB41\usbohci.pdb
DBGHELP: usbehci - public symbols
C:\Symbols\usbehci.pdb\CDC9E698A1C142CB814997E5B08DC8BA1\usbehci.pdb
SYMSRV: C:\Symbols\wdfldr.pdb\79CA50BF4D9E4E55848D314C72A5B85E1\wdfldr.pdb
not found
SYMSRV:
http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols/wdfldr.pdb/79CA50BF4D9E4E55848D314C72A5B85E1/wdfldr.pdb
not found
DBGHELP: wdfldr.pdb - file not found
*** ERROR: Symbol file could not be found. Defaulted to export symbols for
WDFLDR.SYS -
DBGHELP: WDFLDR - export symbols
SYMSRV:
C:\Symbols\OSEEntry.pdb\15C6D3C53EEF4CDC93CEFA7861D439281\OSEEntry.pdb not
found
SYMSRV:
http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols/OSEEntry.pdb/15C6D3C53EEF4CDC93CEFA7861D439281/OSEEntry.pdb
not found
DBGHELP: OSEEntry - private symbols & lines
c:\sandbox\opensea\seakernel\ose\objchk_wnet_x86\i386\OSEEntry.pdb
Breakpoint 2 hit
OSEEntry!DriverEntry:
f862e120 8bff mov edi,edi
0: kd> g
[OSEEntry] OSEEntry - Driver Framework Edition
[OSEEntry] Built Aug 22 2005 10:48:08
[OSEEntry] –>OSEEvtDeviceAdd routine. Driver: 0x7DCCFB47
[OSEEntry] PDO(0x823AA600) FDO(0x8222B290), Lower(0x823AA600) DevExt
(0x82229F90)
[OSEEntry] <– OSEEvtDeviceAdd
Breakpoint 0 hit
OSEEntry!OSEEvtDevicePrepareHardware:
f862ca30 8bff mov edi,edi
SYMSRV:
C:\Symbols\WdfDynam.pdb\FD94AD61C2264B7CB6EBAC10B6E6E3201\WdfDynam.pdb not
found
SYMSRV:
http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols/WdfDynam.pdb/FD94AD61C2264B7CB6EBAC10B6E6E3201/WdfDynam.pdb
not found
DBGHELP: WdfDynam.pdb - file not found
*** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for
WdfDynam.sys
DBGHELP: WdfDynam - no symbols loaded
0: kd> g
[OSEEntry] –>OSEEvtDevicePrepareHardware routine. Driver: 0x7DDD606F
[OSEEntry] Memory mapped PCI:(f8fff400:0) Length:(128)
[OSEEntry] PCIAddress=00000000
[OSEEntry] BAR not defined: 1
[OSEEntry] Memory mapped PCI:(f8ff0000:0) Length:(32768)
[OSEEntry] PCIAddress=00000000
[OSEEntry] BAR not defined: 3
[OSEEntry] I/O mapped CSR: (ec30) Length: (16)
[OSEEntry] BAR not defined: 5
[OSEEntry] Interrupt level: 0x5, Vector: 0x163
[OSEEntry] <–OSEEvtDevicePrepareHardware
[OSEEntry] –>OSEEvtDeviceReleaseHardware routine. Driver: 0x7DDD606F
[OSEEntry] <–OSEEvtDeviceReleaseHardware
[OSEEntry] <– OSEEvtDriverUnload
DBGHELP: IP not set!
DBGHELP: portcls - public symbols
C:\Symbols\portcls.pdb\9380C119FB254169B3415C54DEF742F52\portcls.pdb
DBGHELP: cwcwdm - public symbols
C:\Symbols\cwcwdm.pdb\3B577C561\cwcwdm.pdb
SYMSRV:
C:\Symbols\SeaTDBus.pdb\5082A1E20370491A9161D2802B31E1C01\SeaTDBus.pdb not
found
SYMSRV:
http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols/SeaTDBus.pdb/5082A1E20370491A9161D2802B31E1C01/SeaTDBus.pdb
not found
DBGHELP: SeaTDBus - private symbols & lines
c:\projects\kwai\seatddrivers\seatdbus\objfre_wnet_x86\i386\SeaTDBus.pdb
DBGHELP: update - public symbols
C:\Symbols\update.pdb\C0E5C10D07AF4A139C0D21FC3510983C1\update.pdb
DBGHELP: rdpdr - public symbols
C:\Symbols\rdpdr.pdb\A81F0F623C3940169DC2E1C410338A031\rdpdr.pdb
DBGHELP: psched - public symbols
C:\Symbols\psched.pdb\72F13E8E57F04ADA961EFC51F1587E9B1\psched.pdb
DBGHELP: ndiswan - public symbols
C:\Symbols\ndiswan.pdb\4C16F7937E5B43DCA456976A6860A80C2\ndiswan.pdb
DBGHELP: parport - public symbols
C:\Symbols\parport.pdb\108A07CF6CCD442D9CC62CB94D8ADE1C1\parport.pdb
DBGHELP: i8042prt - public symbols
C:\Symbols\i8042prt.pdb\F869B9CF49F740EA8295BD75997B338D2\i8042prt.pdb
DBGHELP: serial - public symbols
C:\Symbols\serial.pdb\1EFB2CDF244D432A927A480E4C740FFB2\serial.pdb
DBGHELP: cdrom - public symbols
C:\Symbols\cdrom.pdb\849D224C3F8F411DB1F0591C655A3F651\cdrom.pdb
DBGHELP: redbook - public symbols
C:\Symbols\redbook.pdb\1E1D4F22947E487A8472B5E01CF664D51\redbook.pdb
DBGHELP: rasl2tp - public symbols
C:\Symbols\rasl2tp.pdb\814E65B178D34814B403A26E2DC870422\rasl2tp.pdb
DBGHELP: raspppoe - public symbols
C:\Symbols\raspppoe.pdb\0F527A0AA94E4116AB3BDC8605A441431\raspppoe.pdb
DBGHELP: raspptp - public symbols
C:\Symbols\raspptp.pdb\E1B38928B9CF41AA829FF8252DA9BE582\raspptp.pdb
DBGHELP: msgpc - public symbols
C:\Symbols\msgpc.pdb\E8FB7A9C282647C1B5AE021FDB52C34A1\msgpc.pdb
DBGHELP: termdd - public symbols
C:\Symbols\termdd.pdb\9D17EEE8E3684F9CB51249CEE7D2AC961\termdd.pdb
DBGHELP: usbhub - public symbols
C:\Symbols\usbhub.pdb\A3CE86B8CE4941CC890AD17D38D0EF4D1\usbhub.pdb
DBGHELP: NDProxy - public symbols
C:\Symbols\ndproxy.pdb\EE437B1D5CC3470E9E89EFBEF9CD9B241\ndproxy.pdb
SYMSRV:
C:\Symbols\SeaTDDev.pdb\5D3705E06CDA49CD8B9EAC016CC0D9491\SeaTDDev.pdb not
found
SYMSRV:
http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols/SeaTDDev.pdb/5D3705E06CDA49CD8B9EAC016CC0D9491/SeaTDDev.pdb
not found
DBGHELP: SeaTDDev - private symbols & lines
c:\projects\kwai\seatddrivers\seatd\objfre_wnet_x86\i386\SeaTDDev.pdb
SYMSRV:
C:\Symbols\SeaTDIfd.pdb\E0DD6C3997F94718BABDCF36F942E1811\SeaTDIfd.pdb not
found
SYMSRV:
http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols/SeaTDIfd.pdb/E0DD6C3997F94718BABDCF36F942E1811/SeaTDIfd.pdb
not found
DBGHELP: SeaTDIfd - private symbols & lines
c:\projects\kwai\seatddrivers\seatdifd\objfre_wnet_x86\i386\SeaTDIfd.pdb
SYMSRV: C:\Symbols\drmk.pdb\9609BC234C304F23BE30916905914D991\drmk.pdb not
found
SYMSRV:
http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols/drmk.pdb/9609BC234C304F23BE30916905914D991/drmk.pdb
not found
DBGHELP: drmk.pdb - file not found
*** ERROR: Symbol file could not be found. Defaulted to export symbols for
drmk.sys -
DBGHELP: drmk - export symbols
DBGHELP: fdc - public symbols
C:\Symbols\fdc.pdb\1CF3D63A7C51425AB85A1382FA965FF01\fdc.pdb
DBGHELP: kbdclass - public symbols
C:\Symbols\kbdclass.pdb\8207E908221F480B8DF0B101EF62AFB41\kbdclass.pdb
DBGHELP: mouclass - public symbols
C:\Symbols\mouclass.pdb\5AD51F05354A4C5FA0358FC0B60E0B371\mouclass.pdb
DBGHELP: usbuhci - public symbols
C:\Symbols\usbuhci.pdb\401251DB5CEF4774B90FF7054880FCBC1\usbuhci.pdb
DBGHELP: TDI - public symbols
C:\Symbols\tdi.pdb\5C695BF68B924AE9BA5283BD91AA12511\tdi.pdb
DBGHELP: ptilink - public symbols
C:\Symbols\ptilink.pdb\776B55BE9F5846AA8E4590CB42866E6A1\ptilink.pdb
DBGHELP: raspti - public symbols
C:\Symbols\raspti.pdb\B3C31E3A63DE4E868C024FEBAFF83F761\raspti.pdb
DBGHELP: flpydisk - public symbols
C:\Symbols\flpydisk.pdb\E1FDA85E9A4B409C84485F51EA17A3421\flpydisk.pdb
DBGHELP: serenum - public symbols
C:\Symbols\SerEnum.pdb\65C854188D1C4126B9DEA70BBAC9C42D1\SerEnum.pdb
DBGHELP: ndistapi - public symbols
C:\Symbols\ndistapi.pdb\BFF5A188A558494DAA310545F7A347031\ndistapi.pdb
DBGHELP: mssmbios - public symbols
C:\Symbols\mssmbios.pdb\CEAE494998B24A458588AE7866D1B9421\mssmbios.pdb
DBGHELP: SMCLIB - public symbols
C:\Symbols\smclib.pdb\808AB5B6BDE04EA1AF04BD9766CC0E971\smclib.pdb
DBGHELP: gameenum - public symbols
C:\Symbols\GameEnum.pdb\3F9CE8C99C29484494A0E64BF88B6E2D1\GameEnum.pdb
DBGHELP: swenum - public symbols
C:\Symbols\swenum.pdb\D98CEE57A7E6460ABFEADB94BEDB11561\swenum.pdb
DBGHELP: USBD - public symbols
C:\Symbols\usbd.pdb\11D6688CD6BB464F9026586BE1CD28F81\usbd.pdb
DBGHELP: audstub - public symbols
C:\Symbols\audstub.pdb\6B3BF8F0C8834E7E8EFE53B7A91E2A3F1\audstub.pdb
DBGHELP: Sfloppy - public symbols
C:\Symbols\sfloppy.pdb\342D0C4C794A4CADBE144EFF3CC97F281\sfloppy.pdb
DBGHELP: IP not set!
DBGHELP: Cdaudio - public symbols
C:\Symbols\cdaudio.pdb\8E116A373A8F4C3EAE6316A11AE468C41\cdaudio.pdb
DBGHELP: IP not set!
DBGHELP: Fs_Rec - public symbols
C:\Symbols\fs_rec.pdb\126BA98076424D57B0A558CDE9819EB31\fs_rec.pdb
DBGHELP: Null - public symbols
C:\Symbols\null.pdb\77840F8CB3624E438D5D2F0913E4D30E1\null.pdb
DBGHELP: Beep - public symbols
C:\Symbols\beep.pdb\65DC45B439164E4C9DEFF20E161DC74C1\beep.pdb
DBGHELP: vga - public symbols
C:\Symbols\vga.pdb\64C796A95260466CA898ED2D0540BB1A1\vga.pdb
DBGHELP: grclass - public symbols
C:\Symbols\GrClass.pdb\10D96621AAB148488341E8DC1C45A88B1\GrClass.pdb
DBGHELP: mnmdd - public symbols
C:\Symbols\mnmdd.pdb\9871421E8348450AA965551E05AEC4D21\mnmdd.pdb
DBGHELP: RDPCDD - public symbols
C:\Symbols\RDPCDD.pdb\770565601E554819A9670ADF167252531\RDPCDD.pdb
DBGHELP: Msfs - public symbols
C:\Symbols\msfs.pdb\5FE94FBDD41B47EE90F09157273AF7A31\msfs.pdb
DBGHELP: Npfs - public symbols
C:\Symbols\npfs.pdb\BC1F3D9A55D04CD087AA5C5E30A75D8D1\npfs.pdb
DBGHELP: rasacd - public symbols
C:\Symbols\rasacd.pdb\20B90C6127114BDC88DE7FA31D8618701\rasacd.pdb
DBGHELP: ipsec - public symbols
C:\Symbols\ipsec.pdb\3A13FAB12CEF49028B6AA15B4CDF05CD2\ipsec.pdb
DBGHELP: tcpip - public symbols
C:\Symbols\tcpip.pdb\089EC52BD5FB4827981E1076236CE94C2\tcpip.pdb
DBGHELP: netbt - public symbols
C:\Symbols\netbt.pdb\68363A5520E247C5830D7E67ABA19D072\netbt.pdb
DBGHELP: ipnat - public symbols
C:\Symbols\ipnat.pdb\092A0221D21B46AAA8C920C2B27E13E71\ipnat.pdb
DBGHELP: wanarp - public symbols
C:\Symbols\wanarp.pdb\FDB397B5509448699BDFDF4E2214A5D61\wanarp.pdb
DBGHELP: afd - public symbols
C:\Symbols\afd.pdb\F999EE0290D54451AEBCA30AD24CAAB22\afd.pdb
DBGHELP: netbios - public symbols
C:\Symbols\netbios.pdb\EC7846CAA4AC4B6B9D995E397AAE8AA91\netbios.pdb
DBGHELP: rdbss - public symbols
C:\Symbols\rdbss.pdb\B61FBC81D9FD40EFBD5FE3FA9E1475862\rdbss.pdb
DBGHELP: mrxsmb - public symbols
C:\Symbols\mrxsmb.pdb\FA9453EBF39844679F3504BD313308B82\mrxsmb.pdb
DBGHELP: imapi - public symbols
C:\Symbols\imapi.pdb\790C6839B52C4BCCBF75CC04FD23CA801\imapi.pdb
DBGHELP: IP not set!
DBGHELP: Fips - public symbols
C:\Symbols\fips.pdb\CD572ED242DA4016AA1777EB3F54BBB42\fips.pdb
DBGHELP: Fastfat - public symbols
C:\Symbols\fastfat.pdb\49F9F5CA625D4A5C9DC927485DA7809F2\fastfat.pdb
DBGHELP: dump_diskdump - public symbols
C:\Symbols\diskdump.pdb\BD3DB88555954CFD8556BBE9D8B96A5A1\diskdump.pdb
SYMSRV: C:\Symbols\pnp680.sys\3C929B548ae0\pnp680.sys not found
SYMSRV:
http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols/pnp680.sys/3C929B548ae0/pnp680.sys
not found
SYMSRV: C:\Symbols\dump_pnp680.sys\3C929B548ae0\dump_pnp680.sys not found
SYMSRV:
http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols/dump_pnp680.sys/3C929B548ae0/dump_pnp680.sys
not found
DBGHELP: C:\Program Files\Debugging Tools for Windows\pnp680.sys - file not
found
DBGHELP: invalid path:
srv*C:\Symbols*http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols
DBGHELP: C:\Program Files\Debugging Tools for Windows\dump_pnp680.sys - file
not found
DBGHELP: invalid path:
srv*C:\Symbols*http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols
DBGENG: dump_pnp680.sys - Image mapping disallowed by non-local path.
DBGHELP: No debug info for dump_pnp680.sys. Searching for dbg file
SYMSRV: C:\Symbols\dump_pnp680.dbg\3C929B548ae0\dump_pnp680.dbg not found
SYMSRV:
http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols/dump_pnp680.dbg/3C929B548ae0/dump_pnp680.dbg
not found
DBGHELP: .\dump_pnp680.dbg - file not found
DBGHELP: .\symbols\sys\dump_pnp680.dbg - path not found
DBGHELP: .\sys\dump_pnp680.dbg - path not found
DBGHELP: dump_pnp680.sys missing debug info. Searching for pdb anyway
DBGHELP: Can’t use symbol server for dump_pnp680.pdb - no header information
available
DBGHELP: dump_pnp680.pdb - file not found
*** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for
dump_pnp680.sys
DBGHELP: dump_pnp680 - no symbols loaded
DBGHELP: Dxapi - public symbols
C:\Symbols\dxapi.pdb\A63AA409BC33424F9C61C4743C15609B1\dxapi.pdb
DBGHELP: watchdog - public symbols
C:\Symbols\watchdog.pdb\E34D85BE76CF4B729B27F2CBD2559B881\watchdog.pdb
DBGHELP: win32k - public symbols
C:\Symbols\win32k.pdb\A3AB09585A2B460A862026EAC39852742\win32k.pdb
DBGHELP: dxgthk - public symbols
C:\Symbols\dxgthk.pdb\ED52F57C00F5452FBEBABB7C5BA826DF1\dxgthk.pdb
DBGHELP: dxg - public symbols
C:\Symbols\dxg.pdb\6443AD3CC36F49BD8A4D7F5259E15F591\dxg.pdb
DBGHELP: nv4_disp - public symbols
C:\Symbols\nv4_disp.pdb\337C81EA47F04668A368C2AE12BF6E031\nv4_disp.pdb
DBGHELP: IP not set!
DBGHELP: vga_bff50000 - public symbols
C:\Symbols\vga.pdb\C1F6DA10DCB247D7A561EF79D392BF5C1\vga.pdb
DBGHELP: IP not set!
DBGHELP: nv4_disp - public symbols
C:\Symbols\nv4_disp.pdb\337C81EA47F04668A368C2AE12BF6E031\nv4_disp.pdb
DBGHELP: ndisuio - public symbols
C:\Symbols\ndisuio.pdb\CCBB88AAABB841A3A8FC18083379A4BA1\ndisuio.pdb
DBGHELP: mrxdav - public symbols
C:\Symbols\mrxdav.pdb\39E18188AC3942C7B4CA8F4ABC3B15BF1\mrxdav.pdb
ERROR: DavReadRegistryValues/RegQueryValueExW(4). WStatus = 5
ERROR: DavReadRegistryValues/RegQueryValueExW(5). WStatus = 5
ERROR: DavReadRegistryValues/RegQueryValueExW(6). WStatus = 5
DBGHELP: ParVdm - public symbols
C:\Symbols\parvdm.pdb\A33862D098F54FD3B903D85C5B13CDB51\parvdm.pdb
SYMSRV: C:\Symbols\wdfldr.pdb\79CA50BF4D9E4E55848D314C72A5B85E1\wdfldr.pdb
not found
SYMSRV:
http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols/wdfldr.pdb/79CA50BF4D9E4E55848D314C72A5B85E1/wdfldr.pdb
not found
DBGHELP: wdfldr.pdb - file not found
*** ERROR: Symbol file could not be found. Defaulted to export symbols for
WDFLDR.SYS -
DBGHELP: WDFLDR - export symbols
SYMSRV:
C:\Symbols\OSEEntry.pdb\15C6D3C53EEF4CDC93CEFA7861D439281\OSEEntry.pdb not
found
SYMSRV:
http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols/OSEEntry.pdb/15C6D3C53EEF4CDC93CEFA7861D439281/OSEEntry.pdb
not found
DBGHELP: OSEEntry - private symbols & lines
c:\sandbox\opensea\seakernel\ose\objchk_wnet_x86\i386\OSEEntry.pdb
Breakpoint 2 hit
OSEEntry!DriverEntry:
f4782120 8bff mov edi,edi


The personal opinion of
Gary G. Little

“Jerry Kelley” wrote in message
news:xxxxx@windbg…
>I would also have to say that 6.5.3.7 is incredibly slower than the
>previous version. You break into any system and it takes a very long time
>to get any control. It seems that symbol loading is either running much
>slower or trying to do a lot of work somewhere else. (Out in the weeds
>perhaps?) I turned on noisy symbol loading and it spews messages every so
>often but in between, it’s spending a lot of time looking somewhere.
>
> To do simple debugging such as dumping types or using private extension
> DLL’s is very slow. In fact, I’m even seeing failures in private extension
> DLL’s that used to work fine. I also noticed that I have to frequently
> resynch with the target because an extension command will just hang.
>
> jerry
>
>
> “Gary G. Little” wrote in message news:xxxxx@windbg…
>> I’ll see what I can do Jason, but I have already burned a lot of daylight
>> with this, and I’m behind in the debug I must be doing. It’s not only
>> WinDbg, my handy dandy mule I use as a target is missing one leg, has
>> arthritis in two others and the only good leg is standing on a banana
>> peel. Put it all together and it makes for a very unhappy engineer.
>>
>> –
>> The personal opinion of
>> Gary G. Little
>>
>> “Martin O’Brien” wrote in message
>> news:xxxxx@windbg…
>>>I would agree with this. On W2K3 (full checked) it takes even longer.
>>>
>>> MM
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> xxxxx@winse.microsoft.com 8/18/2005 12:53:29 PM >>>
>>> Are you seeing a lot of spew coming out of the debugger during the
>>> slowdowns? That’s usually the cause.
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>>> [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Gary G. Little
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:35 AM
>>> To: Kernel Debugging Interest List
>>> Subject: [windbg] Version 6.5.3.7 slow response
>>>
>>> There is a delay during start up that almost makes SoftIce look good. I
>>>
>>> notice it most when I use a partial checked build because the
>>> environment
>>> becomes totally unusable. Mouse moves take minutes to happen, and
>>> breaking
>>> into the system now MIGHT happen 5 minutes from now. I suspect there
>>> may
>>> be
>>> a big problem between the versions of the ntoskernel files for SP2 I
>>> have.
>>> The fresh install of SP2 I yesterday has a build number several hundred
>>>
>>> greater than the checked build version I down loaded today.
>>>
>>> At least the free build seems to respond properly once you are at the
>>> desktop. Debugging during boot may be a problem since I note the mouse
>>>
>>> moving at cycles per minute before Winlogon is presented.
>>>
>>> Am I alone in this observation? Or did I miss the discussion?
>>>
>>> –
>>> Gary G. Little
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
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>
>
>

Gary,

While not a fan of the latest WinDBG, I suspect Jason and his coworkers
could use some help here. What is the configuration of the two systems in
question (i.e. memory processors, OS revisions, etc)? Lets give them the
tools to find and fix this problem, then if they do not you can “virtually
burn them at the stake”


Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
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“Gary G. Little” wrote in message news:xxxxx@windbg…
> If you want slow … use a partial cheked build. On that one you can go to
> lunch, attend an hour long meeting, and maybe the system will be asking
> for a log in prompt when you get back to your desk. Ever hear the Windows
> startup banner tune take up up to a minute or more to play EVERY FRIGGING
> NOTE!!?!? 6.4 and up versions of WinDBG are reminiscent of the fiasco that
> was released along about 1996, which almost killed the product for the
> development community.
>
> It’s almost impossible to sync symbols in your code. Even though I have
> .kdfiles pointing to the latest build, it seems WinDbg is using the SYS
> file in the targets Drivers directory. So far teonly way I can overcome
> this is to boot to safe mode on the target, copy yhe SYS and TMF files to
> a working directory then copy them to the Drivers directory. So why even
> use .kdfiles since you have to movethe SYS file to the target so the PDB
> file can be used to find your breakpoint.
>
> As to debug spew: here is the latest. Note that from the
> “–>OSEEvtDevicePrepareHardware routine. Driver: 0x7DDD606F” to the final
> breakpoint took over 5 minutes. Not an awful lot of debug spew if tat is
> the problem. This is on a free build with 6.5.3.8, though the brag line in
> the window handle says 6.5.3.7
>
> Shutdown occurred…unloading all symbol tables.
> Waiting to reconnect…
> Connected to Windows XP 2600 x86 compatible target, ptr64 FALSE
> Kernel Debugger connection established. (Initial Breakpoint requested)
> DBGHELP: Symbol Search Path:
> srvC:\Symbolshttp://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols
> Symbol search path is:
> srvC:\Symbolshttp://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols
> Executable search path is:
> DBGHELP: SharedUserData - virtual symbol module
> DBGHELP: nt - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\ntkrnlmp.pdb\AA1EE1B2A63A4232A379F3EFDDC4CFE82\ntkrnlmp.pdb
> Windows XP Kernel Version 2600 MP (1 procs) Free x86 compatible
> Built by: 2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.050301-1519
> Kernel base = 0x804d7000 PsLoadedModuleList = 0x805624a0
> System Uptime: not available
> Break instruction exception - code 80000003 (first chance)
> ********
> *
> * You are seeing this message because you pressed either
> * CTRL+C (if you run kd.exe) or,
> * CTRL+BREAK (if you run WinDBG),
> * on your debugger machine’s keyboard.
> *
> * THIS IS NOT A BUG OR A SYSTEM CRASH
> *
> * If you did not intend to break into the debugger, press the “g” key,
> then
> * press the “Enter” key now. This message might immediately reappear. If
> it
> * does, press “g” and “Enter” again.
> *
>

> DBGHELP: nt - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\ntkrnlmp.pdb\AA1EE1B2A63A4232A379F3EFDDC4CFE82\ntkrnlmp.pdb
> nt!RtlpBreakWithStatusInstruction:
> 804e2a52 cc int 3
> kd> g
> DBGHELP: C:\Symbols\ntdll.dll\411096B4b0000\ntdll.dll - OK
> DBGENG: Partial symbol load found image
> C:\Symbols\ntdll.dll\411096B4b0000\ntdll.dll.
> DBGHELP: ntdll - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\ntdll.pdb\36515FB5D04345E491F672FA2E2878C02\ntdll.pdb
> DBGHELP: p3 - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\p3.pdb\83619DB519044E0D9E207F3C15E2C3611\p3.pdb
> DBGHELP: VIDEOPRT - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\videoprt.pdb\4F7109A70A214E10A9EB16F46D99D5681\videoprt.pdb
> DBGHELP: nv4_mini - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\nv4_mini.pdb\334682060D21485394550043012EC7E61\nv4_mini.pdb
> DBGHELP: C:\Symbols\el90xbc5.sys\3B537B6310400\el90xbc5.sys - OK
> DBGENG: Partial symbol load found image
> C:\Symbols\el90xbc5.sys\3B537B6310400\el90xbc5.sys.
> DBGHELP: el90xbc5 - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\EL90XBC5.pdb\3B58A7F81\EL90XBC5.pdb
> DBGHELP: cwcos - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\cwcosnt5.pdb\3B577C551\cwcosnt5.pdb
> DBGHELP: ks - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\ks.pdb\229E1E4007D54B0899543A3F3B247F882\ks.pdb
> DBGHELP: cwcspud - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\cwcspud.pdb\3B577C551\cwcspud.pdb
> DBGHELP: USBPORT - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\usbport.pdb\6577C031727943E7BE2D4A8742B28F141\usbport.pdb
> DBGHELP: usbohci - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\usbohci.pdb\D7B19174DF22436989E2CA044BE14FB41\usbohci.pdb
> DBGHELP: usbehci - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\usbehci.pdb\CDC9E698A1C142CB814997E5B08DC8BA1\usbehci.pdb
> SYMSRV: C:\Symbols\wdfldr.pdb\79CA50BF4D9E4E55848D314C72A5B85E1\wdfldr.pdb
> not found
> SYMSRV:
> http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols/wdfldr.pdb/79CA50BF4D9E4E55848D314C72A5B85E1/wdfldr.pdb
> not found
> DBGHELP: wdfldr.pdb - file not found
> ERROR: Symbol file could not be found. Defaulted to export symbols for
> WDFLDR.SYS -
> DBGHELP: WDFLDR - export symbols
> SYMSRV:
> C:\Symbols\OSEEntry.pdb\15C6D3C53EEF4CDC93CEFA7861D439281\OSEEntry.pdb not
> found
> SYMSRV:
> http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols/OSEEntry.pdb/15C6D3C53EEF4CDC93CEFA7861D439281/OSEEntry.pdb
> not found
> DBGHELP: OSEEntry - private symbols & lines
> c:\sandbox\opensea\seakernel\ose\objchk_wnet_x86\i386\OSEEntry.pdb
> Breakpoint 2 hit
> OSEEntry!DriverEntry:
> f862e120 8bff mov edi,edi
> 0: kd> g
> [OSEEntry] OSEEntry - Driver Framework Edition
> [OSEEntry] Built Aug 22 2005 10:48:08
> [OSEEntry] –>OSEEvtDeviceAdd routine. Driver: 0x7DCCFB47
> [OSEEntry] PDO(0x823AA600) FDO(0x8222B290), Lower(0x823AA600) DevExt
> (0x82229F90)
> [OSEEntry] <– OSEEvtDeviceAdd
> Breakpoint 0 hit
> OSEEntry!OSEEvtDevicePrepareHardware:
> f862ca30 8bff mov edi,edi
> SYMSRV:
> C:\Symbols\WdfDynam.pdb\FD94AD61C2264B7CB6EBAC10B6E6E3201\WdfDynam.pdb not
> found
> SYMSRV:
> http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols/WdfDynam.pdb/FD94AD61C2264B7CB6EBAC10B6E6E3201/WdfDynam.pdb
> not found
> DBGHELP: WdfDynam.pdb - file not found
>
ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for
> WdfDynam.sys
> DBGHELP: WdfDynam - no symbols loaded
> 0: kd> g
> [OSEEntry] –>OSEEvtDevicePrepareHardware routine. Driver: 0x7DDD606F
> [OSEEntry] Memory mapped PCI:(f8fff400:0) Length:(128)
> [OSEEntry] PCIAddress=00000000
> [OSEEntry] BAR not defined: 1
> [OSEEntry] Memory mapped PCI:(f8ff0000:0) Length:(32768)
> [OSEEntry] PCIAddress=00000000
> [OSEEntry] BAR not defined: 3
> [OSEEntry] I/O mapped CSR: (ec30) Length: (16)
> [OSEEntry] BAR not defined: 5
> [OSEEntry] Interrupt level: 0x5, Vector: 0x163
> [OSEEntry] <–OSEEvtDevicePrepareHardware
> [OSEEntry] –>OSEEvtDeviceReleaseHardware routine. Driver: 0x7DDD606F
> [OSEEntry] <–OSEEvtDeviceReleaseHardware
> [OSEEntry] <– OSEEvtDriverUnload
> DBGHELP: IP not set!
> DBGHELP: portcls - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\portcls.pdb\9380C119FB254169B3415C54DEF742F52\portcls.pdb
> DBGHELP: cwcwdm - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\cwcwdm.pdb\3B577C561\cwcwdm.pdb
> SYMSRV:
> C:\Symbols\SeaTDBus.pdb\5082A1E20370491A9161D2802B31E1C01\SeaTDBus.pdb not
> found
> SYMSRV:
> http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols/SeaTDBus.pdb/5082A1E20370491A9161D2802B31E1C01/SeaTDBus.pdb
> not found
> DBGHELP: SeaTDBus - private symbols & lines
> c:\projects\kwai\seatddrivers\seatdbus\objfre_wnet_x86\i386\SeaTDBus.pdb
> DBGHELP: update - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\update.pdb\C0E5C10D07AF4A139C0D21FC3510983C1\update.pdb
> DBGHELP: rdpdr - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\rdpdr.pdb\A81F0F623C3940169DC2E1C410338A031\rdpdr.pdb
> DBGHELP: psched - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\psched.pdb\72F13E8E57F04ADA961EFC51F1587E9B1\psched.pdb
> DBGHELP: ndiswan - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\ndiswan.pdb\4C16F7937E5B43DCA456976A6860A80C2\ndiswan.pdb
> DBGHELP: parport - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\parport.pdb\108A07CF6CCD442D9CC62CB94D8ADE1C1\parport.pdb
> DBGHELP: i8042prt - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\i8042prt.pdb\F869B9CF49F740EA8295BD75997B338D2\i8042prt.pdb
> DBGHELP: serial - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\serial.pdb\1EFB2CDF244D432A927A480E4C740FFB2\serial.pdb
> DBGHELP: cdrom - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\cdrom.pdb\849D224C3F8F411DB1F0591C655A3F651\cdrom.pdb
> DBGHELP: redbook - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\redbook.pdb\1E1D4F22947E487A8472B5E01CF664D51\redbook.pdb
> DBGHELP: rasl2tp - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\rasl2tp.pdb\814E65B178D34814B403A26E2DC870422\rasl2tp.pdb
> DBGHELP: raspppoe - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\raspppoe.pdb\0F527A0AA94E4116AB3BDC8605A441431\raspppoe.pdb
> DBGHELP: raspptp - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\raspptp.pdb\E1B38928B9CF41AA829FF8252DA9BE582\raspptp.pdb
> DBGHELP: msgpc - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\msgpc.pdb\E8FB7A9C282647C1B5AE021FDB52C34A1\msgpc.pdb
> DBGHELP: termdd - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\termdd.pdb\9D17EEE8E3684F9CB51249CEE7D2AC961\termdd.pdb
> DBGHELP: usbhub - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\usbhub.pdb\A3CE86B8CE4941CC890AD17D38D0EF4D1\usbhub.pdb
> DBGHELP: NDProxy - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\ndproxy.pdb\EE437B1D5CC3470E9E89EFBEF9CD9B241\ndproxy.pdb
> SYMSRV:
> C:\Symbols\SeaTDDev.pdb\5D3705E06CDA49CD8B9EAC016CC0D9491\SeaTDDev.pdb not
> found
> SYMSRV:
> http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols/SeaTDDev.pdb/5D3705E06CDA49CD8B9EAC016CC0D9491/SeaTDDev.pdb
> not found
> DBGHELP: SeaTDDev - private symbols & lines
> c:\projects\kwai\seatddrivers\seatd\objfre_wnet_x86\i386\SeaTDDev.pdb
> SYMSRV:
> C:\Symbols\SeaTDIfd.pdb\E0DD6C3997F94718BABDCF36F942E1811\SeaTDIfd.pdb not
> found
> SYMSRV:
> http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols/SeaTDIfd.pdb/E0DD6C3997F94718BABDCF36F942E1811/SeaTDIfd.pdb
> not found
> DBGHELP: SeaTDIfd - private symbols & lines
> c:\projects\kwai\seatddrivers\seatdifd\objfre_wnet_x86\i386\SeaTDIfd.pdb
> SYMSRV: C:\Symbols\drmk.pdb\9609BC234C304F23BE30916905914D991\drmk.pdb not
> found
> SYMSRV:
> http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols/drmk.pdb/9609BC234C304F23BE30916905914D991/drmk.pdb
> not found
> DBGHELP: drmk.pdb - file not found
> ERROR: Symbol file could not be found. Defaulted to export symbols for
> drmk.sys -
> DBGHELP: drmk - export symbols
> DBGHELP: fdc - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\fdc.pdb\1CF3D63A7C51425AB85A1382FA965FF01\fdc.pdb
> DBGHELP: kbdclass - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\kbdclass.pdb\8207E908221F480B8DF0B101EF62AFB41\kbdclass.pdb
> DBGHELP: mouclass - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\mouclass.pdb\5AD51F05354A4C5FA0358FC0B60E0B371\mouclass.pdb
> DBGHELP: usbuhci - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\usbuhci.pdb\401251DB5CEF4774B90FF7054880FCBC1\usbuhci.pdb
> DBGHELP: TDI - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\tdi.pdb\5C695BF68B924AE9BA5283BD91AA12511\tdi.pdb
> DBGHELP: ptilink - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\ptilink.pdb\776B55BE9F5846AA8E4590CB42866E6A1\ptilink.pdb
> DBGHELP: raspti - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\raspti.pdb\B3C31E3A63DE4E868C024FEBAFF83F761\raspti.pdb
> DBGHELP: flpydisk - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\flpydisk.pdb\E1FDA85E9A4B409C84485F51EA17A3421\flpydisk.pdb
> DBGHELP: serenum - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\SerEnum.pdb\65C854188D1C4126B9DEA70BBAC9C42D1\SerEnum.pdb
> DBGHELP: ndistapi - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\ndistapi.pdb\BFF5A188A558494DAA310545F7A347031\ndistapi.pdb
> DBGHELP: mssmbios - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\mssmbios.pdb\CEAE494998B24A458588AE7866D1B9421\mssmbios.pdb
> DBGHELP: SMCLIB - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\smclib.pdb\808AB5B6BDE04EA1AF04BD9766CC0E971\smclib.pdb
> DBGHELP: gameenum - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\GameEnum.pdb\3F9CE8C99C29484494A0E64BF88B6E2D1\GameEnum.pdb
> DBGHELP: swenum - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\swenum.pdb\D98CEE57A7E6460ABFEADB94BEDB11561\swenum.pdb
> DBGHELP: USBD - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\usbd.pdb\11D6688CD6BB464F9026586BE1CD28F81\usbd.pdb
> DBGHELP: audstub - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\audstub.pdb\6B3BF8F0C8834E7E8EFE53B7A91E2A3F1\audstub.pdb
> DBGHELP: Sfloppy - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\sfloppy.pdb\342D0C4C794A4CADBE144EFF3CC97F281\sfloppy.pdb
> DBGHELP: IP not set!
> DBGHELP: Cdaudio - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\cdaudio.pdb\8E116A373A8F4C3EAE6316A11AE468C41\cdaudio.pdb
> DBGHELP: IP not set!
> DBGHELP: Fs_Rec - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\fs_rec.pdb\126BA98076424D57B0A558CDE9819EB31\fs_rec.pdb
> DBGHELP: Null - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\null.pdb\77840F8CB3624E438D5D2F0913E4D30E1\null.pdb
> DBGHELP: Beep - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\beep.pdb\65DC45B439164E4C9DEFF20E161DC74C1\beep.pdb
> DBGHELP: vga - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\vga.pdb\64C796A95260466CA898ED2D0540BB1A1\vga.pdb
> DBGHELP: grclass - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\GrClass.pdb\10D96621AAB148488341E8DC1C45A88B1\GrClass.pdb
> DBGHELP: mnmdd - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\mnmdd.pdb\9871421E8348450AA965551E05AEC4D21\mnmdd.pdb
> DBGHELP: RDPCDD - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\RDPCDD.pdb\770565601E554819A9670ADF167252531\RDPCDD.pdb
> DBGHELP: Msfs - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\msfs.pdb\5FE94FBDD41B47EE90F09157273AF7A31\msfs.pdb
> DBGHELP: Npfs - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\npfs.pdb\BC1F3D9A55D04CD087AA5C5E30A75D8D1\npfs.pdb
> DBGHELP: rasacd - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\rasacd.pdb\20B90C6127114BDC88DE7FA31D8618701\rasacd.pdb
> DBGHELP: ipsec - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\ipsec.pdb\3A13FAB12CEF49028B6AA15B4CDF05CD2\ipsec.pdb
> DBGHELP: tcpip - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\tcpip.pdb\089EC52BD5FB4827981E1076236CE94C2\tcpip.pdb
> DBGHELP: netbt - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\netbt.pdb\68363A5520E247C5830D7E67ABA19D072\netbt.pdb
> DBGHELP: ipnat - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\ipnat.pdb\092A0221D21B46AAA8C920C2B27E13E71\ipnat.pdb
> DBGHELP: wanarp - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\wanarp.pdb\FDB397B5509448699BDFDF4E2214A5D61\wanarp.pdb
> DBGHELP: afd - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\afd.pdb\F999EE0290D54451AEBCA30AD24CAAB22\afd.pdb
> DBGHELP: netbios - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\netbios.pdb\EC7846CAA4AC4B6B9D995E397AAE8AA91\netbios.pdb
> DBGHELP: rdbss - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\rdbss.pdb\B61FBC81D9FD40EFBD5FE3FA9E1475862\rdbss.pdb
> DBGHELP: mrxsmb - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\mrxsmb.pdb\FA9453EBF39844679F3504BD313308B82\mrxsmb.pdb
> DBGHELP: imapi - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\imapi.pdb\790C6839B52C4BCCBF75CC04FD23CA801\imapi.pdb
> DBGHELP: IP not set!
> DBGHELP: Fips - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\fips.pdb\CD572ED242DA4016AA1777EB3F54BBB42\fips.pdb
> DBGHELP: Fastfat - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\fastfat.pdb\49F9F5CA625D4A5C9DC927485DA7809F2\fastfat.pdb
> DBGHELP: dump_diskdump - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\diskdump.pdb\BD3DB88555954CFD8556BBE9D8B96A5A1\diskdump.pdb
> SYMSRV: C:\Symbols\pnp680.sys\3C929B548ae0\pnp680.sys not found
> SYMSRV:
> http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols/pnp680.sys/3C929B548ae0/pnp680.sys
> not found
> SYMSRV: C:\Symbols\dump_pnp680.sys\3C929B548ae0\dump_pnp680.sys not found
> SYMSRV:
> http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols/dump_pnp680.sys/3C929B548ae0/dump_pnp680.sys
> not found
> DBGHELP: C:\Program Files\Debugging Tools for Windows\pnp680.sys - file
> not found
> DBGHELP: invalid path:
> srv
C:\Symbols
http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols
> DBGHELP: C:\Program Files\Debugging Tools for Windows\dump_pnp680.sys -
> file not found
> DBGHELP: invalid path:
> srv
C:\Symbols
http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols
> DBGENG: dump_pnp680.sys - Image mapping disallowed by non-local path.
> DBGHELP: No debug info for dump_pnp680.sys. Searching for dbg file
> SYMSRV: C:\Symbols\dump_pnp680.dbg\3C929B548ae0\dump_pnp680.dbg not found
> SYMSRV:
> http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols/dump_pnp680.dbg/3C929B548ae0/dump_pnp680.dbg
> not found
> DBGHELP: .\dump_pnp680.dbg - file not found
> DBGHELP: .\symbols\sys\dump_pnp680.dbg - path not found
> DBGHELP: .\sys\dump_pnp680.dbg - path not found
> DBGHELP: dump_pnp680.sys missing debug info. Searching for pdb anyway
> DBGHELP: Can’t use symbol server for dump_pnp680.pdb - no header
> information available
> DBGHELP: dump_pnp680.pdb - file not found
>
ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for
> dump_pnp680.sys
> DBGHELP: dump_pnp680 - no symbols loaded
> DBGHELP: Dxapi - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\dxapi.pdb\A63AA409BC33424F9C61C4743C15609B1\dxapi.pdb
> DBGHELP: watchdog - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\watchdog.pdb\E34D85BE76CF4B729B27F2CBD2559B881\watchdog.pdb
> DBGHELP: win32k - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\win32k.pdb\A3AB09585A2B460A862026EAC39852742\win32k.pdb
> DBGHELP: dxgthk - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\dxgthk.pdb\ED52F57C00F5452FBEBABB7C5BA826DF1\dxgthk.pdb
> DBGHELP: dxg - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\dxg.pdb\6443AD3CC36F49BD8A4D7F5259E15F591\dxg.pdb
> DBGHELP: nv4_disp - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\nv4_disp.pdb\337C81EA47F04668A368C2AE12BF6E031\nv4_disp.pdb
> DBGHELP: IP not set!
> DBGHELP: vga_bff50000 - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\vga.pdb\C1F6DA10DCB247D7A561EF79D392BF5C1\vga.pdb
> DBGHELP: IP not set!
> DBGHELP: nv4_disp - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\nv4_disp.pdb\337C81EA47F04668A368C2AE12BF6E031\nv4_disp.pdb
> DBGHELP: ndisuio - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\ndisuio.pdb\CCBB88AAABB841A3A8FC18083379A4BA1\ndisuio.pdb
> DBGHELP: mrxdav - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\mrxdav.pdb\39E18188AC3942C7B4CA8F4ABC3B15BF1\mrxdav.pdb
> ERROR: DavReadRegistryValues/RegQueryValueExW(4). WStatus = 5
> ERROR: DavReadRegistryValues/RegQueryValueExW(5). WStatus = 5
> ERROR: DavReadRegistryValues/RegQueryValueExW(6). WStatus = 5
> DBGHELP: ParVdm - public symbols
> C:\Symbols\parvdm.pdb\A33862D098F54FD3B903D85C5B13CDB51\parvdm.pdb
> SYMSRV: C:\Symbols\wdfldr.pdb\79CA50BF4D9E4E55848D314C72A5B85E1\wdfldr.pdb
> not found
> SYMSRV:
> http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols/wdfldr.pdb/79CA50BF4D9E4E55848D314C72A5B85E1/wdfldr.pdb
> not found
> DBGHELP: wdfldr.pdb - file not found
> *** ERROR: Symbol file could not be found. Defaulted to export symbols for
> WDFLDR.SYS -
> DBGHELP: WDFLDR - export symbols
> SYMSRV:
> C:\Symbols\OSEEntry.pdb\15C6D3C53EEF4CDC93CEFA7861D439281\OSEEntry.pdb not
> found
> SYMSRV:
> http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols/OSEEntry.pdb/15C6D3C53EEF4CDC93CEFA7861D439281/OSEEntry.pdb
> not found
> DBGHELP: OSEEntry - private symbols & lines
> c:\sandbox\opensea\seakernel\ose\objchk_wnet_x86\i386\OSEEntry.pdb
> Breakpoint 2 hit
> OSEEntry!DriverEntry:
> f4782120 8bff mov edi,edi
>
> –
> The personal opinion of
> Gary G. Little
>
> “Jerry Kelley” wrote in message
> news:xxxxx@windbg…
>>I would also have to say that 6.5.3.7 is incredibly slower than the
>>previous version. You break into any system and it takes a very long time
>>to get any control. It seems that symbol loading is either running much
>>slower or trying to do a lot of work somewhere else. (Out in the weeds
>>perhaps?) I turned on noisy symbol loading and it spews messages every so
>>often but in between, it’s spending a lot of time looking somewhere.
>>
>> To do simple debugging such as dumping types or using private extension
>> DLL’s is very slow. In fact, I’m even seeing failures in private
>> extension DLL’s that used to work fine. I also noticed that I have to
>> frequently resynch with the target because an extension command will just
>> hang.
>>
>> jerry
>>
>>
>> “Gary G. Little” wrote in message
>> news:xxxxx@windbg…
>>> I’ll see what I can do Jason, but I have already burned a lot of
>>> daylight with this, and I’m behind in the debug I must be doing. It’s
>>> not only WinDbg, my handy dandy mule I use as a target is missing one
>>> leg, has arthritis in two others and the only good leg is standing on a
>>> banana peel. Put it all together and it makes for a very unhappy
>>> engineer.
>>>
>>> –
>>> The personal opinion of
>>> Gary G. Little
>>>
>>> “Martin O’Brien” wrote in message
>>> news:xxxxx@windbg…
>>>>I would agree with this. On W2K3 (full checked) it takes even longer.
>>>>
>>>> MM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> xxxxx@winse.microsoft.com 8/18/2005 12:53:29 PM >>>
>>>> Are you seeing a lot of spew coming out of the debugger during the
>>>> slowdowns? That’s usually the cause.
>>>>
>>>> Jason
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>>>> [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Gary G. Little
>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 9:35 AM
>>>> To: Kernel Debugging Interest List
>>>> Subject: [windbg] Version 6.5.3.7 slow response
>>>>
>>>> There is a delay during start up that almost makes SoftIce look good. I
>>>>
>>>> notice it most when I use a partial checked build because the
>>>> environment
>>>> becomes totally unusable. Mouse moves take minutes to happen, and
>>>> breaking
>>>> into the system now MIGHT happen 5 minutes from now. I suspect there
>>>> may
>>>> be
>>>> a big problem between the versions of the ntoskernel files for SP2 I
>>>> have.
>>>> The fresh install of SP2 I yesterday has a build number several hundred
>>>>
>>>> greater than the checked build version I down loaded today.
>>>>
>>>> At least the free build seems to respond properly once you are at the
>>>> desktop. Debugging during boot may be a problem since I note the mouse
>>>>
>>>> moving at cycles per minute before Winlogon is presented.
>>>>
>>>> Am I alone in this observation? Or did I miss the discussion?
>>>>
>>>> –
>>>> Gary G. Little
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Which is why I sent the output from a boot up. The system informaton is as
follows:

The target is a Dell dual 927 MHz PIII Optiplex
512MB RAM
Boot controller SiI680
2 Seagate 80gig HDD
Windows XP SP2 free build kernel and HAL
Debug port is COM1, Baudrate is 115200. Firewire is not available.

The system itself is configured to boot off of a SiI680 controller using the
PnP680.SYS driver. The on board IDE controllers are used to test and
develope various Seagate driver and disc combinations.

Dump from 6.4.7.0 using !sym noisy and Ctl+D

****************************************************************************************************************
0: kd> !sym noisy
noisy mode - symbol prompts on
0: kd> g
DBGHELP: NaiFiltr.sys is stripped. Searching for dbg file
SYMSRV: C:\Symbols\NaiFiltr.dbg\3BEA2BEA5c20\NaiFiltr.dbg not found
SYMSRV:
http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols/NaiFiltr.dbg/3BEA2BEA5c20/NaiFiltr.dbg
not found
DBGHELP: .\NaiFiltr.dbg - file not found
DBGHELP: .\symbols\sys\NaiFiltr.dbg - path not found
DBGHELP: .\sys\NaiFiltr.dbg - path not found
DBGHELP: NaiFiltr.sys missing debug info. Searching for pdb anyway
DBGHELP: Can’t use symbol server for NaiFiltr.pdb - no header information
available
DBGHELP: NaiFiltr.pdb - file not found
*** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for
NaiFiltr.sys
DBGHELP: NaiFiltr - no symbols loaded

Process.Thread : 00000398.00000338 (vshwin32.exe) is trying to create key:
ObjectAttributes = 0012A8F0
The caller should not rely on data written to the registry after shutdown…

Process.Thread : 00000398.00000338 (vshwin32.exe) is trying to create key:
ObjectAttributes = 0012A880
The caller should not rely on data written to the registry after shutdown…
Shutdown occurred…unloading all symbol tables.
Waiting to reconnect…
Connected to Windows XP 2600 x86 compatible target, ptr64 FALSE
Kernel Debugger connection established.
Symbol search path is:
srv*C:\Symbols*http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols
Executable search path is:
DBGHELP: SharedUserData - virtual symbol module
DBGHELP: nt - public symbols
C:\Symbols\ntkrnlmp.pdb\AA1EE1B2A63A4232A379F3EFDDC4CFE82\ntkrnlmp.pdb
Windows XP Kernel Version 2600 MP (1 procs) Free x86 compatible
Built by: 2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.050301-1519
Kernel base = 0x804d7000 PsLoadedModuleList = 0x805624a0
System Uptime: not available
DBGHELP: nt - public symbols
C:\Symbols\ntkrnlmp.pdb\AA1EE1B2A63A4232A379F3EFDDC4CFE82\ntkrnlmp.pdb
[OSEEntry] OSEEntry - Driver Framework Edition
[OSEEntry] Built Aug 22 2005 10:48:08
[OSEEntry] –>OSEEvtDeviceAdd routine. Driver: 0x7DD3BEA7
[OSEEntry] PDO(0x823AA600) FDO(0x822BB7D0), Lower(0x823AA600) DevExt
(0x822E7848)
[OSEEntry] <– OSEEvtDeviceAdd
[OSEEntry] –>OSEEvtDevicePrepareHardware routine. Driver: 0x7DD187B7
[OSEEntry] Memory mapped PCI:(f8fff400:0) Length:(128)
[OSEEntry] PCIAddress=00000000
[OSEEntry] BAR not defined: 1
[OSEEntry] Memory mapped PCI:(f8ff0000:0) Length:(32768)
[OSEEntry] PCIAddress=00000000
[OSEEntry] BAR not defined: 3
[OSEEntry] I/O mapped CSR: (ec30) Length: (16)
[OSEEntry] BAR not defined: 5
[OSEEntry] Interrupt level: 0x5, Vector: 0x163
[OSEEntry] <–OSEEvtDevicePrepareHardware
[OSEEntry] –>OSEEvtDeviceReleaseHardware routine. Driver: 0x7DD187B7
[OSEEntry] <–OSEEvtDeviceReleaseHardware
[OSEEntry] <– OSEEvtDriverUnload
ERROR: DavReadRegistryValues/RegQueryValueExW(4). WStatus = 5
ERROR: DavReadRegistryValues/RegQueryValueExW(5). WStatus = 5
ERROR: DavReadRegistryValues/RegQueryValueExW(6). WStatus = 5
[OSEEntry] OSEEntry - Driver Framework Edition
[OSEEntry] Built Aug 22 2005 10:48:08

*************************************************************************************************

The personal opinion of
Gary G. Little

“Don Burn” wrote in message news:xxxxx@windbg…
> Gary,
>
> While not a fan of the latest WinDBG, I suspect Jason and his coworkers
> could use some help here. What is the configuration of the two systems in
> question (i.e. memory processors, OS revisions, etc)? Lets give them the
> tools to find and fix this problem, then if they do not you can “virtually
> burn them at the stake”
>
>
> –
> Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
> Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
> Remove StopSpam from the email to reply
>
>

And one more dump. This time with 6.5.3.8 with !sym noisy and Ctl+D. Note
that the first .8 dump did not have Ctl+D. Also note that the Ctl+D seems to
have greatly improved response time … at least on this boot.

0: kd> !sym noisy
noisy mode - symbol prompts on
0: kd> g
DBGHELP: kmixer - public symbols
C:\Symbols\kmixer.pdb\AEC79945DFCC4F5EB217F5B7F4A58DDF1\kmixer.pdb
Shutdown occurred…unloading all symbol tables.
Waiting to reconnect…
Connected to Windows XP 2600 x86 compatible target, ptr64 FALSE
Kernel Debugger connection established.
DBGHELP: Symbol Search Path:
srv*C:\Symbols*http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols
Symbol search path is:
srv*C:\Symbols*http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols
Executable search path is:
DBGHELP: SharedUserData - virtual symbol module
DBGHELP: nt - public symbols
C:\Symbols\ntkrnlmp.pdb\AA1EE1B2A63A4232A379F3EFDDC4CFE82\ntkrnlmp.pdb
Windows XP Kernel Version 2600 MP (1 procs) Free x86 compatible
Built by: 2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.050301-1519
Kernel base = 0x804d7000 PsLoadedModuleList = 0x805624a0
System Uptime: not available
[OSEEntry] OSEEntry - Driver Framework Edition
[OSEEntry] Built Aug 22 2005 10:48:08
[OSEEntry] –>OSEEvtDeviceAdd routine. Driver: 0x7DD85007
[OSEEntry] PDO(0x823AA600) FDO(0x82331C48), Lower(0x823AA600) DevExt
(0x82290CE0)
[OSEEntry] <– OSEEvtDeviceAdd
[OSEEntry] –>OSEEvtDevicePrepareHardware routine. Driver: 0x7DD6F31F
[OSEEntry] Memory mapped PCI:(f8fff400:0) Length:(128)
[OSEEntry] PCIAddress=00000000
[OSEEntry] BAR not defined: 1
[OSEEntry] Memory mapped PCI:(f8ff0000:0) Length:(32768)
[OSEEntry] PCIAddress=00000000
[OSEEntry] BAR not defined: 3
[OSEEntry] I/O mapped CSR: (ec30) Length: (16)
[OSEEntry] BAR not defined: 5
[OSEEntry] Interrupt level: 0x5, Vector: 0x163
[OSEEntry] <–OSEEvtDevicePrepareHardware
[OSEEntry] –>OSEEvtDeviceReleaseHardware routine. Driver: 0x7DD6F31F
[OSEEntry] <–OSEEvtDeviceReleaseHardware
[OSEEntry] <– OSEEvtDriverUnload
ERROR: DavReadRegistryValues/RegQueryValueExW(4). WStatus = 5
ERROR: DavReadRegistryValues/RegQueryValueExW(5). WStatus = 5
ERROR: DavReadRegistryValues/RegQueryValueExW(6). WStatus = 5
[OSEEntry] OSEEntry - Driver Framework Edition
[OSEEntry] Built Aug 22 2005 10:48:08


The personal opinion of
Gary G. Little

6.5.3.7 stack walking shows me some never-before-seen footage.
Uninstalling…

I don’t see any of the ctrl+D output on there. The ctrl+D spew should
be *very* noisy. Couple things:

  • use kd instead of windbg. This is just to limit the number of
    variables in play for the investigation
  • make sure you’re hitting enter after ctrl+D.

Perhaps you can send the results to xxxxx@microsoft.com, in attached
files? We can report the results back to this thread if we find
anything useful.

Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Gary G. Little
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 11:45 AM
To: Kernel Debugging Interest List
Subject: Re:[windbg] Version 6.5.3.7 slow response

And one more dump. This time with 6.5.3.8 with !sym noisy and Ctl+D.
Note
that the first .8 dump did not have Ctl+D. Also note that the Ctl+D
seems to
have greatly improved response time … at least on this boot.

0: kd> !sym noisy
noisy mode - symbol prompts on
0: kd> g
DBGHELP: kmixer - public symbols
C:\Symbols\kmixer.pdb\AEC79945DFCC4F5EB217F5B7F4A58DDF1\kmixer.pdb
Shutdown occurred…unloading all symbol tables.
Waiting to reconnect…
Connected to Windows XP 2600 x86 compatible target, ptr64 FALSE
Kernel Debugger connection established.
DBGHELP: Symbol Search Path:
srv*C:\Symbols*http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols
Symbol search path is:
srv*C:\Symbols*http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols
Executable search path is:
DBGHELP: SharedUserData - virtual symbol module
DBGHELP: nt - public symbols
C:\Symbols\ntkrnlmp.pdb\AA1EE1B2A63A4232A379F3EFDDC4CFE82\ntkrnlmp.pdb
Windows XP Kernel Version 2600 MP (1 procs) Free x86 compatible
Built by: 2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.050301-1519
Kernel base = 0x804d7000 PsLoadedModuleList = 0x805624a0
System Uptime: not available
[OSEEntry] OSEEntry - Driver Framework Edition
[OSEEntry] Built Aug 22 2005 10:48:08
[OSEEntry] –>OSEEvtDeviceAdd routine. Driver: 0x7DD85007
[OSEEntry] PDO(0x823AA600) FDO(0x82331C48), Lower(0x823AA600) DevExt
(0x82290CE0)
[OSEEntry] <– OSEEvtDeviceAdd
[OSEEntry] –>OSEEvtDevicePrepareHardware routine. Driver: 0x7DD6F31F
[OSEEntry] Memory mapped PCI:(f8fff400:0) Length:(128)
[OSEEntry] PCIAddress=00000000
[OSEEntry] BAR not defined: 1
[OSEEntry] Memory mapped PCI:(f8ff0000:0) Length:(32768)
[OSEEntry] PCIAddress=00000000
[OSEEntry] BAR not defined: 3
[OSEEntry] I/O mapped CSR: (ec30) Length: (16)
[OSEEntry] BAR not defined: 5
[OSEEntry] Interrupt level: 0x5, Vector: 0x163
[OSEEntry] <–OSEEvtDevicePrepareHardware
[OSEEntry] –>OSEEvtDeviceReleaseHardware routine. Driver: 0x7DD6F31F
[OSEEntry] <–OSEEvtDeviceReleaseHardware
[OSEEntry] <– OSEEvtDriverUnload
ERROR: DavReadRegistryValues/RegQueryValueExW(4). WStatus = 5
ERROR: DavReadRegistryValues/RegQueryValueExW(5). WStatus = 5
ERROR: DavReadRegistryValues/RegQueryValueExW(6). WStatus = 5
[OSEEntry] OSEEntry - Driver Framework Edition
[OSEEntry] Built Aug 22 2005 10:48:08


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Gary G. Little


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Perhaps you can send us this stack? Maybe attach a minidump which
repros it to xxxxx@microsoft.com?

Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Satya Das
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 11:58 AM
To: Kernel Debugging Interest List
Subject: RE: [windbg] Version 6.5.3.7 slow response

6.5.3.7 stack walking shows me some never-before-seen footage.
Uninstalling…


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haha… most useless bug report ever!

Don’t we all go nuts when our users do this crap to us?!

No offense to the poster… I just had to deal with one of these this
morning and I’m feeling sympathetic with Jason at the moment…

On Aug 22, 2005, at 2:14 PM, Jason Shay wrote:

Perhaps you can send us this stack? Maybe attach a minidump which
repros it to xxxxx@microsoft.com?

Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Satya Das
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 11:58 AM
To: Kernel Debugging Interest List
Subject: RE: [windbg] Version 6.5.3.7 slow response

6.5.3.7 stack walking shows me some never-before-seen footage.
Uninstalling…


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argument:
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Done.


The personal opinion of
Gary G. Little

“Jason Shay” wrote in message
news:xxxxx@windbg…
I don’t see any of the ctrl+D output on there. The ctrl+D spew should
be very noisy. Couple things:
- use kd instead of windbg. This is just to limit the number of
variables in play for the investigation
- make sure you’re hitting enter after ctrl+D.

Perhaps you can send the results to xxxxx@microsoft.com, in attached
files? We can report the results back to this thread if we find
anything useful.

Jason