Hi everybody.
I have found that many software companies in the USA ask for US citizenship as a requirement for getting a job.
Why is the usual reason behind this requirement: administrative, security, … ?
Just curious.
Inaki.
Actually it is financial in many cases. The US visa type that pertains to
technology jobs is called an H1-B visa. If I remember
correctly, the company must pay roughly $10,000 USD to sponsor your Visa.
Regarding security, a lot of companies do business with the DOD, therefore a
non-citizen often doesn?t qualify.
Matt
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Subject: [ntdev] US citizenship required
Hi everybody.
I have found that many software companies in the USA ask for US citizenship
as a requirement for getting a job.
Why is the usual reason behind this requirement: administrative, security, ?
?
Just curious.
Inaki.
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I don’t know what the deal with an H1-B Visa is, but assuming the $10, 000 is correct, I would
better rather heavily on the second reason being the culprit - a security clearance is required.
Given what you do (fs), I very seriously doubt that any job (assuming it’s a posting for a REAL job
and not one by some agency just looking to collect resumes) at which you might be looking would balk
at whatever an H1 Visa costs. If nothing else, it would cost a whole lot more than that to relocate
someone, even domestically, or even just conduct a candidate search, so I doubt that’s the issue
here - cost, that is; I haven’t any idea of what’s involved getting a Visa, so maybe that’s an issue.
The bad news (for you) is that if this is a clearance issue, then there is no way around the problem
It’s not like any of the many things that almost all HR will list as ‘required,’ but simply aren’t,
like having a certain degree or whatever. If a clearance is required, in order to be considered,
you must be a naturalized u. s. citizen.
Postings for positions that require some sort of clearance usually will say something about there
being the possibility of having to pass a background check of some sort, but not always, and if they
don’t, then they are unlikely to tell you anything further over the phone, but here are some things
to look for:
-
the presence in the posting of one or more acronyms like TS, SCI, DOD, SBI, SCI, SPI, SAP
-
if the company is on this list, there’s a really good chance that clearance is the sticking
point: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_defense_contractors -
lacking any other better information, anything located around Washington, DC - Northern Virgina
(Arlington, Roslyn, ‘Dulles Corridor,’ among others) and Maryland (Rockville and Columbia) is a
likely candidate for having the same requirement. -
anything involving a ‘National Laboratory’
Good luck,
mm
Matt wrote:
Actually it is financial in many cases. The US visa type that pertains
to technology jobs is called an H1-B visa. If I remembercorrectly, the company must pay roughly $10,000 USD to sponsor your Visa.
Regarding security, a lot of companies do business with the DOD,
therefore a non-citizen often doesn?t qualify.Matt
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*To:* Windows System Software Devs Interest List
*Subject:* [ntdev] US citizenship requiredHi everybody.
I have found that many software companies in the USA ask for US
citizenship as a requirement for getting a job.Why is the usual reason behind this requirement: administrative,
security, ? ?Just curious.
Inaki.
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It is not only if a clearance is required. I was doing non government work
for a company that did government business and they had a citizen only rule
even for the project that I was working on.
Bill Wandel
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On Behalf Of Martin O’Brien
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:45 AM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: Re:[ntdev] US citizenship required
I don’t know what the deal with an H1-B Visa is, but assuming the $10, 000
is correct, I would better rather heavily on the second reason being the
culprit - a security clearance is required.
Given what you do (fs), I very seriously doubt that any job (assuming it’s a
posting for a REAL job and not one by some agency just looking to collect
resumes) at which you might be looking would balk at whatever an H1 Visa
costs. If nothing else, it would cost a whole lot more than that to
relocate someone, even domestically, or even just conduct a candidate
search, so I doubt that’s the issue here - cost, that is; I haven’t any idea
of what’s involved getting a Visa, so maybe that’s an issue.
The bad news (for you) is that if this is a clearance issue, then there is
no way around the problem It’s not like any of the many things that almost
all HR will list as ‘required,’ but simply aren’t, like having a certain
degree or whatever. If a clearance is required, in order to be considered,
you must be a naturalized u. s. citizen.
Postings for positions that require some sort of clearance usually will say
something about there being the possibility of having to pass a background
check of some sort, but not always, and if they don’t, then they are
unlikely to tell you anything further over the phone, but here are some
things to look for:
-
the presence in the posting of one or more acronyms like TS, SCI,
DOD, SBI, SCI, SPI, SAP -
if the company is on this list, there’s a really good chance that
clearance is the sticking
point:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_defense_contractors -
lacking any other better information, anything located around
Washington, DC - Northern Virgina (Arlington, Roslyn, ‘Dulles Corridor,’
among others) and Maryland (Rockville and Columbia) is a likely candidate
for having the same requirement. -
anything involving a ‘National Laboratory’
Good luck,
mm
Matt wrote:
Actually it is financial in many cases. The US visa type that pertains
to technology jobs is called an H1-B visa. If I remembercorrectly, the company must pay roughly $10,000 USD to sponsor your Visa.
Regarding security, a lot of companies do business with the DOD,
therefore a non-citizen often doesn?t qualify.Matt
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[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] *On Behalf Of *I?aki
Castillo
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 12, 2008 3:09 AM
*To:* Windows System Software Devs Interest List
*Subject:* [ntdev] US citizenship requiredHi everybody.
I have found that many software companies in the USA ask for US
citizenship as a requirement for getting a job.Why is the usual reason behind this requirement: administrative,
security, ? ?Just curious.
Inaki.
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> If I remember correctly, the company must pay roughly $10,000 USD to sponsor your Visa.
Funny amount for someone who hires people from abroad…
I they hire someone from abroad they are, apparently, expecting to save much more than that on salary in the long term, so that the amount of 10K will pay off in a couple of months or so, especially if we speak about high-skilled job (apparently, no one would be bothered to hire .NET/Java/etc “gurus” from abroad anyway )…
Regarding security, a lot of companies do business with the DOD, therefore a non-citizen
often doesn?t qualify.
I think this is a real explanation. Another one is that it is just not always easy to check the background of someone from abroad, especially if we speak about third-world countries, so that if a position requires this or that level of security clearance they would probably prefer to limit themselves to US citizens…
Anton Bassov
Not ‘probably prefer’, but in many cases it is required by the terms of the
contract or law. Some positions specifically say that your ability to pass
a background check or a polygraph is required. Many other positions require
active security clearances since the backlog for obtaining one is very long.
wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
>> If I remember correctly, the company must pay roughly $10,000 USD to
>> sponsor your Visa.
>
> Funny amount for someone who hires people from abroad…
>
>
> I they hire someone from abroad they are, apparently, expecting to save
> much more than that on salary in the long term, so that the amount of 10K
> will pay off in a couple of months or so, especially if we speak about
> high-skilled job (apparently, no one would be bothered to hire
> .NET/Java/etc “gurus” from abroad anyway )…
>
>
>> Regarding security, a lot of companies do business with the DOD,
>> therefore a non-citizen
>> often doesn?t qualify.
>
> I think this is a real explanation. Another one is that it is just not
> always easy to check the background of someone from abroad, especially if
> we speak about third-world countries, so that if a position requires this
> or that level of security clearance they would probably prefer to limit
> themselves to US citizens…
>
>
> Anton Bassov
>
>
It’s definitely true that pretty much any company that gets a dime from the FED won’t hire a foreign
national, but it doe surprise me that they required a true u. s. citizen, rather than just a
permanent resident/green card.
mm
Bill Wandel wrote:
It is not only if a clearance is required. I was doing non government work
for a company that did government business and they had a citizen only rule
even for the project that I was working on.Bill Wandel
-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]
On Behalf Of Martin O’Brien
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:45 AM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: Re:[ntdev] US citizenship requiredI don’t know what the deal with an H1-B Visa is, but assuming the $10, 000
is correct, I would better rather heavily on the second reason being the
culprit - a security clearance is required.
Given what you do (fs), I very seriously doubt that any job (assuming it’s a
posting for a REAL job and not one by some agency just looking to collect
resumes) at which you might be looking would balk at whatever an H1 Visa
costs. If nothing else, it would cost a whole lot more than that to
relocate someone, even domestically, or even just conduct a candidate
search, so I doubt that’s the issue here - cost, that is; I haven’t any idea
of what’s involved getting a Visa, so maybe that’s an issue.The bad news (for you) is that if this is a clearance issue, then there is
no way around the problem It’s not like any of the many things that almost
all HR will list as ‘required,’ but simply aren’t, like having a certain
degree or whatever. If a clearance is required, in order to be considered,
you must be a naturalized u. s. citizen.Postings for positions that require some sort of clearance usually will say
something about there being the possibility of having to pass a background
check of some sort, but not always, and if they don’t, then they are
unlikely to tell you anything further over the phone, but here are some
things to look for:
the presence in the posting of one or more acronyms like TS, SCI,
DOD, SBI, SCI, SPI, SAPif the company is on this list, there’s a really good chance that
clearance is the sticking
point:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_defense_contractorslacking any other better information, anything located around
Washington, DC - Northern Virgina (Arlington, Roslyn, ‘Dulles Corridor,’
among others) and Maryland (Rockville and Columbia) is a likely candidate
for having the same requirement.anything involving a ‘National Laboratory’
Good luck,
mm
Matt wrote:
> Actually it is financial in many cases. The US visa type that pertains
> to technology jobs is called an H1-B visa. If I remember
>
> correctly, the company must pay roughly $10,000 USD to sponsor your Visa.
>
>
>
> Regarding security, a lot of companies do business with the DOD,
> therefore a non-citizen often doesn?t qualify.
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> *From:* xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] *On Behalf Of *I?aki
> Castillo
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 12, 2008 3:09 AM
> *To:* Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> *Subject:* [ntdev] US citizenship required
>
>
>
> Hi everybody.
>
>
>
> I have found that many software companies in the USA ask for US
> citizenship as a requirement for getting a job.
>
> Why is the usual reason behind this requirement: administrative,
> security, ? ?
>
>
>
> Just curious.
>
> Inaki.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> —
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>
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I believe that most Top Secret and higher access levels require US
Citizenship. There may be some that require non-naturalized citizens, but I
am not sure about this.
“Martin O’Brien” wrote in message
news:xxxxx@ntdev…
It’s definitely true that pretty much any company that gets a dime from the
FED won’t hire a foreign
national, but it doe surprise me that they required a true u. s. citizen,
rather than just a
permanent resident/green card.
mm
Bill Wandel wrote:
> It is not only if a clearance is required. I was doing non government work
> for a company that did government business and they had a citizen only
> rule
> even for the project that I was working on.
>
> Bill Wandel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]
> On Behalf Of Martin O’Brien
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:45 AM
> To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> Subject: Re:[ntdev] US citizenship required
>
> I don’t know what the deal with an H1-B Visa is, but assuming the $10, 000
> is correct, I would better rather heavily on the second reason being the
> culprit - a security clearance is required. Given what you do (fs), I very
> seriously doubt that any job (assuming it’s a
> posting for a REAL job and not one by some agency just looking to collect
> resumes) at which you might be looking would balk at whatever an H1 Visa
> costs. If nothing else, it would cost a whole lot more than that to
> relocate someone, even domestically, or even just conduct a candidate
> search, so I doubt that’s the issue here - cost, that is; I haven’t any
> idea
> of what’s involved getting a Visa, so maybe that’s an issue.
>
> The bad news (for you) is that if this is a clearance issue, then there is
> no way around the problem It’s not like any of the many things that almost
> all HR will list as ‘required,’ but simply aren’t, like having a certain
> degree or whatever. If a clearance is required, in order to be
> considered,
> you must be a naturalized u. s. citizen.
>
> Postings for positions that require some sort of clearance usually will
> say
> something about there being the possibility of having to pass a background
> check of some sort, but not always, and if they don’t, then they are
> unlikely to tell you anything further over the phone, but here are some
> things to look for:
>
> - the presence in the posting of one or more acronyms like TS, SCI,
> DOD, SBI, SCI, SPI, SAP
>
> - if the company is on this list, there’s a really good chance that
> clearance is the sticking
> point:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_defense_contractors
>
> - lacking any other better information, anything located around
> Washington, DC - Northern Virgina (Arlington, Roslyn, ‘Dulles Corridor,’
> among others) and Maryland (Rockville and Columbia) is a likely candidate
> for having the same requirement.
> - anything involving a ‘National Laboratory’
>
>
> Good luck,
>
> mm
>
>
> Matt wrote:
>> Actually it is financial in many cases. The US visa type that pertains to
>> technology jobs is called an H1-B visa. If I remember
>>
>> correctly, the company must pay roughly $10,000 USD to sponsor your Visa.
>>
>>
>> Regarding security, a lot of companies do business with the DOD,
>> therefore a non-citizen often doesn’t qualify.
>>
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>> From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>> [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] *On Behalf Of *Iñaki Castillo
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 3:09 AM
>> To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
>> Subject: [ntdev] US citizenship required
>>
>>
>> Hi everybody.
>>
>>
>> I have found that many software companies in the USA ask for US
>> citizenship as a requirement for getting a job.
>>
>> Why is the usual reason behind this requirement: administrative,
>> security, … ?
>>
>>
>> Just curious.
>>
>> Inaki.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> —
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>>
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>
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