softice & boot drivers

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21

> I heard new version of vmware has repeatable resume feature.

This means you can save the state of virtual machine, load
your driver, crash, resume, load new version, crash, etc.
Without slow and long rebooting procedure.

It’s interesting has anyone any experience with it?

I’m using WinDbg+VmWare config for a long time. While it is hard
to plug your custom hardware into the vitual PC, this woks great
for software-only drivers.
Haven’t tried resume feature yet - had no such need. Just
save disk image file somewhere and then restore it back
when you need to roll-back the changes.

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NULL modem cable, or does vmware suports some kind of port trapping /
redirection to sockets / pipes / etc ?

Regards, Dan

----- Original Message -----
From: “Gera Kazakov”
To: “NT Developers Interest List”
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 12:38 AM
Subject: [ntdev] Re: softice & boot drivers

> > I heard new version of vmware has repeatable resume feature.
> > This means you can save the state of virtual machine, load
> > your driver, crash, resume, load new version, crash, etc.
> > Without slow and long rebooting procedure.
> >
> > It’s interesting has anyone any experience with it?
>
> I’m using WinDbg+VmWare config for a long time. While it is hard
> to plug your custom hardware into the vitual PC, this woks great
> for software-only drivers.
> Haven’t tried resume feature yet - had no such need. Just
> save disk image file somewhere and then restore it back
> when you need to roll-back the changes.
>
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Hi all:

I’m trying to write a win32 service which runs on windows 2000/xp.I found that if I wrote a WDM style driver instead of a NT style one,the driver could not start at all.

Then I traced the progress and found that the AddDevice routine was not called and no Pnp Irp was send to the driver.

While I write a NT style driver,everything seems to be fine.But if I write a NT style driver,I don’t know how to get the PDO which i must get to make my program work.

Can anyone give me some idea about how to write a WDM style driver as the service?

Thanks in advance.

24

> I heard new version of vmware has repeatable resume feature. This means you

can save the state of virtual machine, load your driver, crash, resume, load
new version, crash, etc. Without slow and long rebooting procedure.

If the driver is a boot FS filter, you cannot do this since it is not unloadable.

Max

25

Even you are using SoftIce, i will recommend use additional pc for debugging.
You don’t want your primary computer crashes and in driver development you
crashes.
One day you will lost a few days of work ( in better case if you are
using cvs it will be last commit) and you boss probably will buy computer
because it really chipper then a few work days lost .

Ilya.

At 04:57 PM 5/17/2002 +0100, you wrote:

Problem with this is will the Boss let you have a couple of P.C’s on the
same desk. How on earth do you justify that one? let alone a serial cable…
:-0. maybe your an alien with four hands to use both keyboards at the same
time, cool :slight_smile:

Also WinDbg doesn’t debug the ‘inf’ file that never works ether so there
Phe ~~~~

----- Original Message -----
From: “Gary G. Little”
>Newsgroups: ntdev
>To: “NT Developers Interest List”
>Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 4:34 PM
>Subject: [ntdev] Re: softice & boot drivers
>
>
> > WinDbg version 6.0.0007. It’s free. Well … you do need a serial cable
>and
> > a NULL modem between a target and a host computer, but what the hey … at
> > $900 for SoftIce you can buy a brand new DELL and save $300!!!
> >
> > You can use it to debug SoftIce, even. :slight_smile:
> >
> > “Steve Pratt” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> > >
> > > From control panel or program menu’s of windows there is a configuration
> > > dialog that enables SoftICE at boot. The problem with doing this is that
> > > there is the possibility that the default buffer size can get filled
>very
> > > quickly and lose some of the data. If you just add a simple ASSERT(0);
>in
> > > driver entry to force a halt. This should take you into SoftICE so you
>can
> > > take a look at your code. Pressing Cntrl ‘D’ should make the code and
>the
> > > system continue.
> > >
> > > Does this help?
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: “Sai_Prasad”
> > > To: “NT Developers Interest List”
> > > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 2:53 PM
> > > Subject: [ntdev] Re: softice & boot drivers
> > >
> > >
> > > > can you please mention in detail
> > > >
> > > > > ----------
> > > > > From: Crasher[SMTP:guodongzi@163.net]
> > > > > Reply To: NT Developers Interest List
> > > > > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 6:52 PM
> > > > > To: NT Developers Interest List
> > > > > Subject: [ntdev] Re: softice & boot drivers
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > yes ., you can…
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >Hi,
> > > > > > is it possible to use softice to debug boot drivers.
> > > > > >specifically the driverentry routine?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Rajeev
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > ________________________________________________________________________
> > > > > >Everything you always wanted to know about cars and bikes,now
> > > > > > at: http://in.autos.yahoo.com/cricket/tracker.html
> > > > > >
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It’s ok to have your source on a separate PC - but that’s
development, not debugging. Sometimes I find debugging more
effective if I do it at the target. While development is a host activity,
debugging sometimes must be done at the target.

Alberto.

On 19 May 2002, at 12:00, Ilya Lifshits wrote:

Even you are using SoftIce, i will recommend use additional pc for debugging.
You don’t want your primary computer crashes and in driver development you
crashes.
One day you will lost a few days of work ( in better case if you are
using cvs it will be last commit) and you boss probably will buy computer
because it really chipper then a few work days lost .

Ilya.

At 04:57 PM 5/17/2002 +0100, you wrote:
>Problem with this is will the Boss let you have a couple of P.C’s on the
>same desk. How on earth do you justify that one? let alone a serial cable…
>:-0. maybe your an alien with four hands to use both keyboards at the same
>time, cool :slight_smile:
>
>Also WinDbg doesn’t debug the ‘inf’ file that never works ether so there
>Phe ~~~~
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: “Gary G. Little”
> >Newsgroups: ntdev
> >To: “NT Developers Interest List”
> >Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 4:34 PM
> >Subject: [ntdev] Re: softice & boot drivers
> >
> >
> > > WinDbg version 6.0.0007. It’s free. Well … you do need a serial cable
> >and
> > > a NULL modem between a target and a host computer, but what the hey … at
> > > $900 for SoftIce you can buy a brand new DELL and save $300!!!
> > >
> > > You can use it to debug SoftIce, even. :slight_smile:
> > >
> > > “Steve Pratt” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> > > >
> > > > From control panel or program menu’s of windows there is a configuration
> > > > dialog that enables SoftICE at boot. The problem with doing this is that
> > > > there is the possibility that the default buffer size can get filled
> >very
> > > > quickly and lose some of the data. If you just add a simple ASSERT(0);
> >in
> > > > driver entry to force a halt. This should take you into SoftICE so you
> >can
> > > > take a look at your code. Pressing Cntrl ‘D’ should make the code and
> >the
> > > > system continue.
> > > >
> > > > Does this help?
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: “Sai_Prasad”
> > > > To: “NT Developers Interest List”
> > > > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 2:53 PM
> > > > Subject: [ntdev] Re: softice & boot drivers
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > can you please mention in detail
> > > > >
> > > > > > ----------
> > > > > > From: Crasher[SMTP:guodongzi@163.net]
> > > > > > Reply To: NT Developers Interest List
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 6:52 PM
> > > > > > To: NT Developers Interest List
> > > > > > Subject: [ntdev] Re: softice & boot drivers
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > yes ., you can…
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >Hi,
> > > > > > > is it possible to use softice to debug boot drivers.
> > > > > > >specifically the driverentry routine?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Rajeev
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > ________________________________________________________________________
> > > > > > >Everything you always wanted to know about cars and bikes,now
> > > > > > > at: http://in.autos.yahoo.com/cricket/tracker.html
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You can call it whatever you wish but any way you need 2 computers
any way.

Ilya.

At 07:39 AM 5/19/2002 -0400, you wrote:

It’s ok to have your source on a separate PC - but that’s
development, not debugging. Sometimes I find debugging more
effective if I do it at the target. While development is a host activity,
debugging sometimes must be done at the target.

Alberto.

On 19 May 2002, at 12:00, Ilya Lifshits wrote:

>
> Even you are using SoftIce, i will recommend use additional pc for
debugging.
> You don’t want your primary computer crashes and in driver development you
> crashes.
> One day you will lost a few days of work ( in better case if you are
> using cvs it will be last commit) and you boss probably will buy computer
> because it really chipper then a few work days lost .
>
> Ilya.
>
>
> At 04:57 PM 5/17/2002 +0100, you wrote:
> >Problem with this is will the Boss let you have a couple of P.C’s on the
> >same desk. How on earth do you justify that one? let alone a serial
cable…
> >:-0. maybe your an alien with four hands to use both keyboards at the same
> >time, cool :slight_smile:
> >
> >Also WinDbg doesn’t debug the ‘inf’ file that never works ether so there
> >Phe ~~~~
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: “Gary G. Little”
> > >Newsgroups: ntdev
> > >To: “NT Developers Interest List”
> > >Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 4:34 PM
> > >Subject: [ntdev] Re: softice & boot drivers
> > >
> > >
> > > > WinDbg version 6.0.0007. It’s free. Well … you do need a serial cable
> > >and
> > > > a NULL modem between a target and a host computer, but what the hey
> … at
> > > > $900 for SoftIce you can buy a brand new DELL and save $300!!!
> > > >
> > > > You can use it to debug SoftIce, even. :slight_smile:
> > > >
> > > > “Steve Pratt” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> > > > >
> > > > > From control panel or program menu’s of windows there is a
> configuration
> > > > > dialog that enables SoftICE at boot. The problem with doing this
> is that
> > > > > there is the possibility that the default buffer size can get filled
> > >very
> > > > > quickly and lose some of the data. If you just add a simple
> ASSERT(0);
> > >in
> > > > > driver entry to force a halt. This should take you into SoftICE
> so you
> > >can
> > > > > take a look at your code. Pressing Cntrl ‘D’ should make the code and
> > >the
> > > > > system continue.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does this help?
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: “Sai_Prasad”
> > > > > To: “NT Developers Interest List”
> > > > > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 2:53 PM
> > > > > Subject: [ntdev] Re: softice & boot drivers
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > can you please mention in detail
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----------
> > > > > > > From: Crasher[SMTP:guodongzi@163.net]
> > > > > > > Reply To: NT Developers Interest List
> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 6:52 PM
> > > > > > > To: NT Developers Interest List
> > > > > > > Subject: [ntdev] Re: softice & boot drivers
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > yes ., you can…
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Hi,
> > > > > > > > is it possible to use softice to debug boot drivers.
> > > > > > > >specifically the driverentry routine?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Rajeev
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > ________________________________________________________________________
> > > > > > > >Everything you always wanted to know about cars and bikes,now
> > > > > > > > at: http://in.autos.yahoo.com/cricket/tracker.html
> > > > > > > >
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SoftIce is indispensable if you must debug a laptop that has
no ports usable by a Microsoft debugger.

On the other hand, SoftIce is a real PITA when you switch
test machines often - video problems, need to install it all the
time going through the bunch of dialogs, etc.

— xxxxx@ieee.org wrote:

It’s ok to have your source on a separate PC - but that’s
development, not debugging. Sometimes I find debugging more
effective if I do it at the target. While development is a host activity,
debugging sometimes must be done at the target.

Alberto.

On 19 May 2002, at 12:00, Ilya Lifshits wrote:

>
> Even you are using SoftIce, i will recommend use additional pc for
debugging.
> You don’t want your primary computer crashes and in driver development you
> crashes.
> One day you will lost a few days of work ( in better case if you are
> using cvs it will be last commit) and you boss probably will buy computer
> because it really chipper then a few work days lost .
>
> Ilya.
>
>
> At 04:57 PM 5/17/2002 +0100, you wrote:
> >Problem with this is will the Boss let you have a couple of P.C’s on the
> >same desk. How on earth do you justify that one? let alone a serial
cable…
> >:-0. maybe your an alien with four hands to use both keyboards at the same
> >time, cool :slight_smile:
> >
> >Also WinDbg doesn’t debug the ‘inf’ file that never works ether so there
> >Phe ~~~~
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: “Gary G. Little”
> > >Newsgroups: ntdev
> > >To: “NT Developers Interest List”
> > >Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 4:34 PM
> > >Subject: [ntdev] Re: softice & boot drivers
> > >
> > >
> > > > WinDbg version 6.0.0007. It’s free. Well … you do need a serial cable
> > >and
> > > > a NULL modem between a target and a host computer, but what the hey …
> at
> > > > $900 for SoftIce you can buy a brand new DELL and save $300!!!
> > > >
> > > > You can use it to debug SoftIce, even. :slight_smile:
> > > >
> > > > “Steve Pratt” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> > > > >
> > > > > From control panel or program menu’s of windows there is a
> configuration
> > > > > dialog that enables SoftICE at boot. The problem with doing this is
> that
> > > > > there is the possibility that the default buffer size can get filled
> > >very
> > > > > quickly and lose some of the data. If you just add a simple
> ASSERT(0);
> > >in
> > > > > driver entry to force a halt. This should take you into SoftICE so
> you
> > >can
> > > > > take a look at your code. Pressing Cntrl ‘D’ should make the code and
> > >the
> > > > > system continue.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does this help?
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: “Sai_Prasad”
> > > > > To: “NT Developers Interest List”
> > > > > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 2:53 PM
> > > > > Subject: [ntdev] Re: softice & boot drivers
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > can you please mention in detail
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----------
> > > > > > > From: Crasher[SMTP:guodongzi@163.net]
> > > > > > > Reply To: NT Developers Interest List
> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 6:52 PM
> > > > > > > To: NT Developers Interest List
> > > > > > > Subject: [ntdev] Re: softice & boot drivers
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > yes ., you can…
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Hi,
> > > > > > > > is it possible to use softice to debug boot drivers.
> > > > > > > >specifically the driverentry routine?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Rajeev
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >______________________
> > > > > > > >Everything you always wanted to know about cars and bikes,now
> > > > > > > > at: http://in.autos.yahoo.com/cricket/tracker.html
> > > > > > > >
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Not necessarily. I did development on my OpenGL ICD for years
with one computer, and I used SoftICE.

Alberto.

==================

On 19 May 2002, at 17:32, Ilya Lifshits wrote:

You can call it whatever you wish but any way you need 2 computers
any way.

Ilya.

At 07:39 AM 5/19/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>It’s ok to have your source on a separate PC - but that’s
>development, not debugging. Sometimes I find debugging more
>effective if I do it at the target. While development is a host activity,
>debugging sometimes must be done at the target.
>
>Alberto.
>
>
>On 19 May 2002, at 12:00, Ilya Lifshits wrote:
>
> >
> > Even you are using SoftIce, i will recommend use additional pc for
> debugging.
> > You don’t want your primary computer crashes and in driver development you
> > crashes.
> > One day you will lost a few days of work ( in better case if you are
> > using cvs it will be last commit) and you boss probably will buy computer
> > because it really chipper then a few work days lost .
> >
> > Ilya.
> >
> >
> > At 04:57 PM 5/17/2002 +0100, you wrote:
> > >Problem with this is will the Boss let you have a couple of P.C’s on the
> > >same desk. How on earth do you justify that one? let alone a serial
> cable…
> > >:-0. maybe your an alien with four hands to use both keyboards at the same
> > >time, cool :slight_smile:
> > >
> > >Also WinDbg doesn’t debug the ‘inf’ file that never works ether so there
> > >Phe ~~~~
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: “Gary G. Little”
> > > >Newsgroups: ntdev
> > > >To: “NT Developers Interest List”
> > > >Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 4:34 PM
> > > >Subject: [ntdev] Re: softice & boot drivers
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > WinDbg version 6.0.0007. It’s free. Well … you do need a serial cable
> > > >and
> > > > > a NULL modem between a target and a host computer, but what the hey
> > … at
> > > > > $900 for SoftIce you can buy a brand new DELL and save $300!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > You can use it to debug SoftIce, even. :slight_smile:
> > > > >
> > > > > “Steve Pratt” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From control panel or program menu’s of windows there is a
> > configuration
> > > > > > dialog that enables SoftICE at boot. The problem with doing this
> > is that
> > > > > > there is the possibility that the default buffer size can get filled
> > > >very
> > > > > > quickly and lose some of the data. If you just add a simple
> > ASSERT(0);
> > > >in
> > > > > > driver entry to force a halt. This should take you into SoftICE
> > so you
> > > >can
> > > > > > take a look at your code. Pressing Cntrl ‘D’ should make the code and
> > > >the
> > > > > > system continue.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does this help?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: “Sai_Prasad”
> > > > > > To: “NT Developers Interest List”
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 2:53 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [ntdev] Re: softice & boot drivers
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > can you please mention in detail
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----------
> > > > > > > > From: Crasher[SMTP:guodongzi@163.net]
> > > > > > > > Reply To: NT Developers Interest List
> > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 6:52 PM
> > > > > > > > To: NT Developers Interest List
> > > > > > > > Subject: [ntdev] Re: softice & boot drivers
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > yes ., you can…
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Hi,
> > > > > > > > > is it possible to use softice to debug boot drivers.
> > > > > > > > >specifically the driverentry routine?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Rajeev
> > > > > > > > >
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Unfortunately we cannot make SoftICE part of the OS, we’re at a
disadvantage here. Also, SoftICE can debug remote at least as
well as any other debugger, in fact, I believe our distributed
capabilities are way better. But I can see the point that having to
install it on a target is a pain. Would a remote install help ?

Alberto.

=================================

On 19 May 2002, at 11:08, Ntdev Reader wrote:

SoftIce is indispensable if you must debug a laptop that has
no ports usable by a Microsoft debugger.

On the other hand, SoftIce is a real PITA when you switch
test machines often - video problems, need to install it all the
time going through the bunch of dialogs, etc.

— xxxxx@ieee.org wrote:
>
> It’s ok to have your source on a separate PC - but that’s
> development, not debugging. Sometimes I find debugging more
> effective if I do it at the target. While development is a host activity,
> debugging sometimes must be done at the target.
>
> Alberto.
>
>
> On 19 May 2002, at 12:00, Ilya Lifshits wrote:
>
> >
> > Even you are using SoftIce, i will recommend use additional pc for
> debugging.
> > You don’t want your primary computer crashes and in driver development you
> > crashes.
> > One day you will lost a few days of work ( in better case if you are
> > using cvs it will be last commit) and you boss probably will buy computer
> > because it really chipper then a few work days lost .
> >
> > Ilya.
> >
> >
> > At 04:57 PM 5/17/2002 +0100, you wrote:
> > >Problem with this is will the Boss let you have a couple of P.C’s on the
> > >same desk. How on earth do you justify that one? let alone a serial
> cable…
> > >:-0. maybe your an alien with four hands to use both keyboards at the same
> > >time, cool :slight_smile:
> > >
> > >Also WinDbg doesn’t debug the ‘inf’ file that never works ether so there
> > >Phe ~~~~
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: “Gary G. Little”
> > > >Newsgroups: ntdev
> > > >To: “NT Developers Interest List”
> > > >Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 4:34 PM
> > > >Subject: [ntdev] Re: softice & boot drivers
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > WinDbg version 6.0.0007. It’s free. Well … you do need a serial cable
> > > >and
> > > > > a NULL modem between a target and a host computer, but what the hey …
> > at
> > > > > $900 for SoftIce you can buy a brand new DELL and save $300!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > You can use it to debug SoftIce, even. :slight_smile:
> > > > >
> > > > > “Steve Pratt” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From control panel or program menu’s of windows there is a
> > configuration
> > > > > > dialog that enables SoftICE at boot. The problem with doing this is
> > that
> > > > > > there is the possibility that the default buffer size can get filled
> > > >very
> > > > > > quickly and lose some of the data. If you just add a simple
> > ASSERT(0);
> > > >in
> > > > > > driver entry to force a halt. This should take you into SoftICE so
> > you
> > > >can
> > > > > > take a look at your code. Pressing Cntrl ‘D’ should make the code and
> > > >the
> > > > > > system continue.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does this help?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: “Sai_Prasad”
> > > > > > To: “NT Developers Interest List”
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 2:53 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [ntdev] Re: softice & boot drivers
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > can you please mention in detail
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----------
> > > > > > > > From: Crasher[SMTP:guodongzi@163.net]
> > > > > > > > Reply To: NT Developers Interest List
> > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 6:52 PM
> > > > > > > > To: NT Developers Interest List
> > > > > > > > Subject: [ntdev] Re: softice & boot drivers
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > yes ., you can…
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Hi,
> > > > > > > > > is it possible to use softice to debug boot drivers.
> > > > > > > > >specifically the driverentry routine?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >Rajeev
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
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Named pipe. VmWare doc explains how to configure both sides.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Partelly [mailto:xxxxx@rdsor.ro]
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 3:09 PM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: softice & boot drivers

NULL modem cable, or does vmware suports some kind of port
trapping / redirection to sockets / pipes / etc ?

Regards, Dan

----- Original Message -----
From: “Gera Kazakov”
> To: “NT Developers Interest List”
> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 12:38 AM
> Subject: [ntdev] Re: softice & boot drivers
>
>
> > > I heard new version of vmware has repeatable resume feature. This
> > > means you can save the state of virtual machine, load
> your driver,
> > > crash, resume, load new version, crash, etc. Without slow
> and long
> > > rebooting procedure.
> > >
> > > It’s interesting has anyone any experience with it?
> >
> > I’m using WinDbg+VmWare config for a long time. While it is hard to
> > plug your custom hardware into the vitual PC, this woks great for
> > software-only drivers. Haven’t tried resume feature yet -
> had no such
> > need. Just save disk image file somewhere and then restore it back
> > when you need to roll-back the changes.
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Loads of resources to use with VMWare? VMWare requires that and then each
virtual machnice you want to define. We upped my targets to 1/2 a gig of
RAM.

Also — at least the demo version of VMWare I downloaded – you only get a
singe processor in a virtual machine. Damn … now if they could define
multiple virtual-processors. That limited my use of VMWare since my primary
test beds are SMP to test our driver suites in an SMP environment.

–
Gary G. Little
xxxxx@broadstor.com
xxxxx@inland.net

“Rajeev Rao” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
>
>
> Definately fella. no need to apologise. I was a bit
> intrigued by the vmware idea. doesn’t it require loads
> of resources?
>
> Rajeev
> — “Gary G. Little” wrote: >
> alberto … and the fella (gal??) that originally
> > asked the question …
> >
> > Sorry … da’ devil made me do it. I shall now shut
> > up.
> >
> > –
> > Gary G. Little
> > xxxxx@broadstor.com
> > xxxxx@inland.net
> >
>
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Each thing has its own purpose. The vmware, for example, is good, in
particular,
for development of software-only drivers. It is not good at all for, say,
driver testing.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary G. Little [mailto:xxxxx@broadstor.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 8:55 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: softice & boot drivers

Loads of resources to use with VMWare? VMWare requires that
and then each virtual machnice you want to define. We upped
my targets to 1/2 a gig of RAM.

Also — at least the demo version of VMWare I downloaded –
you only get a singe processor in a virtual machine. Damn …
now if they could define multiple virtual-processors. That
limited my use of VMWare since my primary test beds are SMP
to test our driver suites in an SMP environment.

–
Gary G. Little
xxxxx@broadstor.com
xxxxx@inland.net

“Rajeev Rao” wrote in message
> news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> >
> >
> > Definately fella. no need to
> apologise. I was a bit
> > intrigued by the vmware idea. doesn’t it require loads
> > of resources?
> >
> > Rajeev
> > — “Gary G. Little” wrote: >
> alberto … and
> > the fella (gal??) that originally
> > > asked the question …
> > >
> > > Sorry … da’ devil made me do it. I shall now shut
> > > up.
> > >
> > > –
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> > > xxxxx@broadstor.com
> > > xxxxx@inland.net
> > >
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I think, to make it more competitive you could try to emulate
the Microsoft debugger as close as possible in parts where it
has an advantage. For example, I *could* have pre-installed
SoftIce on all of the HDD images we write to HDDs when setting
up test machines. However, SoftIce apparently says “you must
turn off system memory protection and reboot”. So, while it is
installed the protection is “off”. I’m not sure but I suspect it is
also “off” even if you press Esc when it says “press Esc to cancel
loading SoftIce”, as well as some other hooks keep being loaded.
If SoftIce could give me a garantee that I’m getting a *completely*
“SoftIce-clean” OS when I press “Esc”, I would be able to
pre-install it.

Installation too could be improved. Why not let the user to
“record” an installation session to a file and give him an
option to use that file next time he installs SoftIce, maybe
just let him run something like ‘setup ’ and get
it installed silently. I know I never need those ten checkboxes
below SoftIce, but yet I’m forced to go and clear them all
every time, and, as though that was not already enough, newer
versions hid those checkboxes and now I have to click TWICE on
every one of them and also scroll the damn small box because
they don’t fit into it anymore. Give me a break! SoftIce is not
a toy, it doesn’t need new interface in the install program, to
generate more sales. Why not let that person work on something
more important and leave me alone?

— xxxxx@ieee.org wrote:
> Unfortunately we cannot make SoftICE part of the OS, we’re at a
> disadvantage here. Also, SoftICE can debug remote at least as
> well as any other debugger, in fact, I believe our distributed
> capabilities are way better. But I can see the point that having to
> install it on a target is a pain. Would a remote install help ?
>
> Alberto.
>
> =================================
>
> On 19 May 2002, at 11:08, Ntdev Reader wrote:
>
> > SoftIce is indispensable if you must debug a laptop that has
> > no ports usable by a Microsoft debugger.
> >
> > On the other hand, SoftIce is a real PITA when you switch
> > test machines often - video problems, need to install it all the
> > time going through the bunch of dialogs, etc.
> >
> > — xxxxx@ieee.org wrote:
> > >
> > > It’s ok to have your source on a separate PC - but that’s
> > > development, not debugging. Sometimes I find debugging more
> > > effective if I do it at the target. While development is a host activity,
>
> > > debugging sometimes must be done at the target.
> > >
> > > Alberto.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 19 May 2002, at 12:00, Ilya Lifshits wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Even you are using SoftIce, i will recommend use additional pc for
> > > debugging.
> > > > You don’t want your primary computer crashes and in driver development
> you
> > > > crashes.
> > > > One day you will lost a few days of work ( in better case if you are
> > > > using cvs it will be last commit) and you boss probably will buy
> computer
> > > > because it really chipper then a few work days lost .
> > > >
> > > > Ilya.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 04:57 PM 5/17/2002 +0100, you wrote:
> > > > >Problem with this is will the Boss let you have a couple of P.C’s on
> the
> > > > >same desk. How on earth do you justify that one? let alone a serial
> > > cable…
> > > > >:-0. maybe your an alien with four hands to use both keyboards at the
> same
> > > > >time, cool :slight_smile:
> > > > >
> > > > >Also WinDbg doesn’t debug the ‘inf’ file that never works ether so
> there
> > > > >Phe ~~~~
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: “Gary G. Little”
> > > > >Newsgroups: ntdev
> > > > >To: “NT Developers Interest List”
> > > > >Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 4:34 PM
> > > > >Subject: [ntdev] Re: softice & boot drivers
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > WinDbg version 6.0.0007. It’s free. Well … you do need a serial
> cable
> > > > >and
> > > > > > a NULL modem between a target and a host computer, but what the hey
> …
> > > at
> > > > > > $900 for SoftIce you can buy a brand new DELL and save $300!!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You can use it to debug SoftIce, even. :slight_smile:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > “Steve Pratt” wrote in message
> news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From control panel or program menu’s of windows there is a
> > > configuration
> > > > > > > dialog that enables SoftICE at boot. The problem with doing this
> is
> > > that
> > > > > > > there is the possibility that the default buffer size can get
> filled
> > > > >very
> > > > > > > quickly and lose some of the data. If you just add a simple
> > > ASSERT(0);
> > > > >in
> > > > > > > driver entry to force a halt. This should take you into SoftICE
> so
> > > you
> > > > >can
> > > > > > > take a look at your code. Pressing Cntrl ‘D’ should make the code
> and
> > > > >the
> > > > > > > system continue.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Does this help?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: “Sai_Prasad”
> > > > > > > To: “NT Developers Interest List”
> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 2:53 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: [ntdev] Re: softice & boot drivers
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > can you please mention in detail
> > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > From: Crasher[SMTP:guodongzi@163.net]
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> > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 6:52 PM
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> > > > > > > > > Subject: [ntdev] Re: softice & boot drivers
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> > > > > > > > > yes ., you can…
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> > > > > > > > > >Hi,
> > > > > > > > > > is it possible to use softice to debug boot drivers.
> > > > > > > > > >specifically the driverentry routine?
> > > > > > > > > >
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Our most puzzling problem yet.
For some reason we are getting the blue screen despite
the fact that softice has been loaded as boot driver.

The problem gets more mysterious.
We have two seperate codes for a filter driver for
ftdisk. One is code implements a do nothing driver,
and the other is for our actual driver.

Note both drivers a replaceable as far as registry
entries a are concerned.

The do nothing driver loads successfully. We can step
thorough driverentry (by placeing breakpoints)

The otherdriver also has a breakpoint in driverentry.
as well as other keyfunctions (adddevice, etc)

However on booting, the system crashes with a boot
screen. This happens before softice loads (no “Loading
of Softice” string comes up).

Rajeev

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This most likely is because the DriverEntry of your driver is called before
the DriverEntry of ntice.sys. Setting ntice as a boot driver aint enough, it
aint a guarantee it will be loaded and initialized before any other boot
driver. This is normal behaviour and not a puzzling problem.

Regards, Dan

----- Original Message -----
From: “Rajeev Rao”
To: “NT Developers Interest List”
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 4:50 PM
Subject: [ntdev] softice & boot drivers

> Our most puzzling problem yet.
> For some reason we are getting the blue screen despite
> the fact that softice has been loaded as boot driver.
>
> The problem gets more mysterious.
> We have two seperate codes for a filter driver for
> ftdisk. One is code implements a do nothing driver,
> and the other is for our actual driver.
>
> Note both drivers a replaceable as far as registry
> entries a are concerned.
>
> The do nothing driver loads successfully. We can step
> thorough driverentry (by placeing breakpoints)
>
> The otherdriver also has a breakpoint in driverentry.
> as well as other keyfunctions (adddevice, etc)
>
> However on booting, the system crashes with a boot
> screen. This happens before softice loads (no “Loading
> of Softice” string comes up).
>
> Rajeev
>
>
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— Dan Partelly wrote: >
Nope. Thought of that. I’ve set a break point in the
form of _asm {int 3} in both my codes. I’m able to
debug my “Do Nothing” driver.

Besides, I’ve set groupdependancy of my driver to the
NTICE group.

Rajeev

This most likely is because the DriverEntry of your
> driver is called before
> the DriverEntry of ntice.sys. Setting ntice as a
> boot driver aint enough, it
> aint a guarantee it will be loaded and initialized
> before any other boot
> driver. This is normal behaviour and not a puzzling
> problem.
>
> Regards, Dan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: “Rajeev Rao”
> To: “NT Developers Interest List”
>
> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 4:50 PM
> Subject: [ntdev] softice & boot drivers
>
>
> > Our most puzzling problem yet.
> > For some reason we are getting the blue screen
> despite
> > the fact that softice has been loaded as boot
> driver.
> >
> > The problem gets more mysterious.
> > We have two seperate codes for a filter driver for
> > ftdisk. One is code implements a do nothing
> driver,
> > and the other is for our actual driver.
> >
> > Note both drivers a replaceable as far as registry
> > entries a are concerned.
> >
> > The do nothing driver loads successfully. We can
> step
> > thorough driverentry (by placeing breakpoints)
> >
> > The otherdriver also has a breakpoint in
> driverentry.
> > as well as other keyfunctions (adddevice, etc)
> >
> > However on booting, the system crashes with a boot
> > screen. This happens before softice loads (no
> “Loading
> > of Softice” string comes up).
> >
> > Rajeev
> >
> >
> >
>

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Hmm, I see. What bug code you get ?

Regards, Dan

----- Original Message -----
From: “Rajeev Rao”
To: “NT Developers Interest List”
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 6:39 PM
Subject: [ntdev] Re: softice & boot drivers

> — Dan Partelly wrote: >
> Nope. Thought of that. I’ve set a break point in the
> form of _asm {int 3} in both my codes. I’m able to
> debug my “Do Nothing” driver.
>
> Besides, I’ve set groupdependancy of my driver to the
> NTICE group.
>
> Rajeev
>
>
> This most likely is because the DriverEntry of your
> > driver is called before
> > the DriverEntry of ntice.sys. Setting ntice as a
> > boot driver aint enough, it
> > aint a guarantee it will be loaded and initialized
> > before any other boot
> > driver. This is normal behaviour and not a puzzling
> > problem.
> >
> > Regards, Dan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: “Rajeev Rao”
> > To: “NT Developers Interest List”
> >
> > Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 4:50 PM
> > Subject: [ntdev] softice & boot drivers
> >
> >
> > > Our most puzzling problem yet.
> > > For some reason we are getting the blue screen
> > despite
> > > the fact that softice has been loaded as boot
> > driver.
> > >
> > > The problem gets more mysterious.
> > > We have two seperate codes for a filter driver for
> > > ftdisk. One is code implements a do nothing
> > driver,
> > > and the other is for our actual driver.
> > >
> > > Note both drivers a replaceable as far as registry
> > > entries a are concerned.
> > >
> > > The do nothing driver loads successfully. We can
> > step
> > > thorough driverentry (by placeing breakpoints)
> > >
> > > The otherdriver also has a breakpoint in
> > driverentry.
> > > as well as other keyfunctions (adddevice, etc)
> > >
> > > However on booting, the system crashes with a boot
> > > screen. This happens before softice loads (no
> > “Loading
> > > of Softice” string comes up).
> > >
> > > Rajeev
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> > > Everything you always wanted to know about cars
> > and bikes,now
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> > http://in.autos.yahoo.com/cricket/tracker.html
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Have you tried ICEPACK?

Jamey Kirby
StorageCraft, inc.
xxxxx@storagecraft.com
www.storagecraft.com

-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Dan Partelly
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 7:40 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: softice & boot drivers

This most likely is because the DriverEntry of your driver is called
before
the DriverEntry of ntice.sys. Setting ntice as a boot driver aint
enough, it
aint a guarantee it will be loaded and initialized before any other boot
driver. This is normal behaviour and not a puzzling problem.

Regards, Dan

----- Original Message -----
From: “Rajeev Rao”
To: “NT Developers Interest List”
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 4:50 PM
Subject: [ntdev] softice & boot drivers

> Our most puzzling problem yet.
> For some reason we are getting the blue screen despite
> the fact that softice has been loaded as boot driver.
>
> The problem gets more mysterious.
> We have two seperate codes for a filter driver for
> ftdisk. One is code implements a do nothing driver,
> and the other is for our actual driver.
>
> Note both drivers a replaceable as far as registry
> entries a are concerned.
>
> The do nothing driver loads successfully. We can step
> thorough driverentry (by placeing breakpoints)
>
> The otherdriver also has a breakpoint in driverentry.
> as well as other keyfunctions (adddevice, etc)
>
> However on booting, the system crashes with a boot
> screen. This happens before softice loads (no “Loading
> of Softice” string comes up).
>
> Rajeev
>
>
>
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Since Ur do nothing driver is getting loaded
successfully this problem could be due to your
driver.
thanks.

— Jamey Kirby wrote:
> Have you tried ICEPACK?
>
> Jamey Kirby
> StorageCraft, inc.
> xxxxx@storagecraft.com
> www.storagecraft.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of
> Dan Partelly
> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 7:40 AM
> To: NT Developers Interest List
> Subject: [ntdev] Re: softice & boot drivers
>
> This most likely is because the DriverEntry of your
> driver is called
> before
> the DriverEntry of ntice.sys. Setting ntice as a
> boot driver aint
> enough, it
> aint a guarantee it will be loaded and initialized
> before any other boot
> driver. This is normal behaviour and not a puzzling
> problem.
>
> Regards, Dan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: “Rajeev Rao”
> To: “NT Developers Interest List”
>
> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 4:50 PM
> Subject: [ntdev] softice & boot drivers
>
>
> > Our most puzzling problem yet.
> > For some reason we are getting the blue screen
> despite
> > the fact that softice has been loaded as boot
> driver.
> >
> > The problem gets more mysterious.
> > We have two seperate codes for a filter driver for
> > ftdisk. One is code implements a do nothing
> driver,
> > and the other is for our actual driver.
> >
> > Note both drivers a replaceable as far as registry
> > entries a are concerned.
> >
> > The do nothing driver loads successfully. We can
> step
> > thorough driverentry (by placeing breakpoints)
> >
> > The otherdriver also has a breakpoint in
> driverentry.
> > as well as other keyfunctions (adddevice, etc)
> >
> > However on booting, the system crashes with a boot
> > screen. This happens before softice loads (no
> “Loading
> > of Softice” string comes up).
> >
> > Rajeev
> >
> >
> >
>
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