Serial Mouse prevented from running in Safe Mode on Win2k, WinXp

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1

PS/2 mouse works.
USB mouse works.
How about a serial mouse. Nope, will prevent that one from working.

Is there any chance of this getting fix? It’s a simple request?

Joe

2

I’ll answer my own question on whether it’s going to be fixed.

http://support.microsoft.com/search/preview.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q236850

I like the STATUS section
“This behavior is by design”

Better watch out for those dreaded Serial Mouse. There horrible I tell you.
Just horrible.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Moriarty [mailto:xxxxx@east.sun.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 4:06 PM
To: NT Development List
Subject: Serial Mouse prevented from running in Safe Mode on Win2k,
WinXp

PS/2 mouse works.
USB mouse works.
How about a serial mouse. Nope, will prevent that one from working.

Is there any chance of this getting fix? It’s a simple request?

Joe

3

It isn’t the serial mice that are blocked, we don’t load serial during
safe mode. Why? Because there are lots of broken drivers which try to
use serial ports that should not be running during safe mode.

D

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-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Moriarty [mailto:xxxxx@east.sun.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 1:20 PM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] RE: Serial Mouse prevented from running in Safe Mode on
Win2k, WinXp

I’ll answer my own question on whether it’s going to be fixed.

http://support.microsoft.com/search/preview.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q236850

I like the STATUS section
“This behavior is by design”

Better watch out for those dreaded Serial Mouse. There horrible I tell
you. Just horrible.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Moriarty [mailto:xxxxx@east.sun.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 4:06 PM
To: NT Development List
Subject: Serial Mouse prevented from running in Safe Mode on Win2k,
WinXp

PS/2 mouse works.
USB mouse works.
How about a serial mouse. Nope, will prevent that one from working.

Is there any chance of this getting fix? It’s a simple request?

Joe

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4

I think you can distinguish between a Mouse device and some other device on
the serial bus. Your the serial bus driver.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]On Behalf Of Doron Holan
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 4:57 PM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] RE: Serial Mouse prevented from running in Safe Mode on
Win2k, WinXp

It isn’t the serial mice that are blocked, we don’t load serial during
safe mode. Why? Because there are lots of broken drivers which try to
use serial ports that should not be running during safe mode.

D

This posting is provided “AS IS” with no warranties, and confers no
rights.

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Moriarty [mailto:xxxxx@east.sun.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 1:20 PM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] RE: Serial Mouse prevented from running in Safe Mode on
Win2k, WinXp

I’ll answer my own question on whether it’s going to be fixed.

http://support.microsoft.com/search/preview.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q236850

I like the STATUS section
“This behavior is by design”

Better watch out for those dreaded Serial Mouse. There horrible I tell
you. Just horrible.

Joe

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Moriarty [mailto:xxxxx@east.sun.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 4:06 PM
> To: NT Development List
> Subject: Serial Mouse prevented from running in Safe Mode on Win2k,
> WinXp
>
>
> PS/2 mouse works.
> USB mouse works.
> How about a serial mouse. Nope, will prevent that one from working.
>
> Is there any chance of this getting fix? It’s a simple request?
>
> Joe

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5

Drivers themselves have no concept of safe mode; the criteria on which
drivers to load / not load is done outside of all the bus drivers. For
this to work, serenum would have to have special knowledge of serial
mice and safe mode for this work properly.

D

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-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Moriarty [mailto:xxxxx@east.sun.com]
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 6:01 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] RE: Serial Mouse prevented from running in Safe Mode on
Win2k, WinXp

I think you can distinguish between a Mouse device and some other device
on
the serial bus. Your the serial bus driver.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]On Behalf Of Doron Holan
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 4:57 PM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] RE: Serial Mouse prevented from running in Safe Mode
on
Win2k, WinXp

It isn’t the serial mice that are blocked, we don’t load serial during
safe mode. Why? Because there are lots of broken drivers which try
to
use serial ports that should not be running during safe mode.

D

This posting is provided “AS IS” with no warranties, and confers no
rights.

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Moriarty [mailto:xxxxx@east.sun.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 1:20 PM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] RE: Serial Mouse prevented from running in Safe Mode
on
Win2k, WinXp

I’ll answer my own question on whether it’s going to be fixed.

http://support.microsoft.com/search/preview.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q236850

I like the STATUS section
“This behavior is by design”

Better watch out for those dreaded Serial Mouse. There horrible I
tell
you. Just horrible.

Joe

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Moriarty [mailto:xxxxx@east.sun.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 4:06 PM
> To: NT Development List
> Subject: Serial Mouse prevented from running in Safe Mode on Win2k,
> WinXp
>
>
> PS/2 mouse works.
> USB mouse works.
> How about a serial mouse. Nope, will prevent that one from working.
>
> Is there any chance of this getting fix? It’s a simple request?
>
> Joe

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6

So if doesn’t fit the architecture. Don’t fix it. I understand now.
Whatever happen to commonality. Mouse works on PS/2 in Safe Mode. Mouse
works on USB in Safe Mode. Mouse doesn’t work on Serial Ports in Safe Mode.

Shouldn’t you shutdown the USB bus as well in Safe Mode. It seems to me the
OS doesn’t need the USB bus during Safe Mode. What’s so special about the
USB bus?

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]On Behalf Of Doron Holan
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 11:56 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] RE: Serial Mouse prevented from running in Safe Mode on
Win2k, WinXp

Drivers themselves have no concept of safe mode; the criteria on which
drivers to load / not load is done outside of all the bus drivers. For
this to work, serenum would have to have special knowledge of serial
mice and safe mode for this work properly.

D

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rights.

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Moriarty [mailto:xxxxx@east.sun.com]
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 6:01 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] RE: Serial Mouse prevented from running in Safe Mode on
Win2k, WinXp

I think you can distinguish between a Mouse device and some other device
on
the serial bus. Your the serial bus driver.

Joe

> -----Original Message-----
> From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]On Behalf Of Doron Holan
> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 4:57 PM
> To: NT Developers Interest List
> Subject: [ntdev] RE: Serial Mouse prevented from running in Safe Mode
on
> Win2k, WinXp
>
>
> It isn’t the serial mice that are blocked, we don’t load serial during
> safe mode. Why? Because there are lots of broken drivers which try
to
> use serial ports that should not be running during safe mode.
>
> D
>
> This posting is provided “AS IS” with no warranties, and confers no
> rights.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Moriarty [mailto:xxxxx@east.sun.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 1:20 PM
> To: NT Developers Interest List
> Subject: [ntdev] RE: Serial Mouse prevented from running in Safe Mode
on
> Win2k, WinXp
>
>
> I’ll answer my own question on whether it’s going to be fixed.
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/search/preview.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q236850
>
> I like the STATUS section
> “This behavior is by design”
>
> Better watch out for those dreaded Serial Mouse. There horrible I
tell
> you. Just horrible.
>
> Joe
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joe Moriarty [mailto:xxxxx@east.sun.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 4:06 PM
> > To: NT Development List
> > Subject: Serial Mouse prevented from running in Safe Mode on Win2k,
> > WinXp
> >
> >
> > PS/2 mouse works.
> > USB mouse works.
> > How about a serial mouse. Nope, will prevent that one from working.
> >
> > Is there any chance of this getting fix? It’s a simple request?
> >
> > Joe
>
>
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