OK, the last note. It is on you to find the source of this info as nobody else apparently didn’t hear about it 
Sorry, Pro, I don’t believe it. Moreover, I’m affraid this kind of false info could partially cause SoftICE demise. I still remember discussions here when WinDbg local “debugging” option was introduced. “Hey, who needs it when WinDbg also supports local machine debugging and it is for free!”
Best regards,
Michal Vodicka
UPEK, Inc.
[xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
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I’ve no idea, how it would work. If I have to guess, when I boot from
debug environment ( g’ol boot.ini or bcd ), does the debugging
infrastructure really have to direct input/ouput to serial port or other
emulated port? Perhaps a console type KD or NTSD is on the working to
tackle this single machine. it does not have to have the GUI.
I heard that single machine debugging would be possible from vista.
I also never thought that quite a bit of Driver Verifier setting stuff
would not require rebooting but I was wrong.
At any rate, lets close the discussion. OP got more than what he was
looking for !
-pro
> I haven’t tried LiveKd at Vista, yet. How do you expect it’d work? WinDbg
> is GUI based and KD uses console, both need OS services. SoftICE took
> ownership of whole computer when it was popped up. Maybe I’m missing
> something but I don’t see a way how could LiveKd offer real single machine
> debugging.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Michal Vodicka
> UPEK, Inc.
> [xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
>
>
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>> Michal,
>>
>> I’ve used LiveKd, just for quick stuff, and I know it is not very useful
>> in xp. I don’t remember where I heard from, but I thought from vista
>> onward, we should be able to debug ( true sense ) using single machine.
>> Can I read your stmt that still windbg can’t be used as true sense KD
>> under vista? I can try that too ( to see ) if it works or not, but then
>> I’ve to wait till the day ends to get to my kids game machines (64bit
>> dual
>> pro, ddr2, sata, blah, blah …) with vista 64bit ultimate
>>
>> -pro
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>> >> Is vista (32bit, 64bit) ready for LiveKd? I mean single machine KD?
>> >> IIRC,
>> >> it should be, adn then windbg should be fine to close that last
>> >> concern(i.e. single machine (de)bugging .
>> >>
>> > LiveKd is useful tool but it is not debugging. Everything you can do
>> is to
>> > access kernel memory and run KD extensions over it. No breakpoints, no
>> > single stepping. Basically, it is similar as if you manually invoke
>> > crashdump and analyse it. Similar, not the same because post-mortem
>> > analysis gives you system in constant state whereas with LiveKd system>
>> is
>> > alive and you can encounter invonsistencies.
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> >
>> > Michal Vodicka
>> > UPEK, Inc.
>> > [xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
>> >
>> >
>> >
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