Re: value of open-source in the driver community (was "how to execute a process...")

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It looks like we are just due for a flame war, and if it isn’t going to be
C++ in the kernel, then it is going to be open sores, and if it ain’t
that…

I bow down to the inevitable: let loose the dogs of war!

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Mark Roddy

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Casey [mailto:xxxxx@virtualscsi.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 5:05 PM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: value of open-source in the driver community (was “how
to execute a process…”)

P.S. Please send all stupid replies to me directly rather than polluting
this list.

Bill Casey

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-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]On Behalf Of Bill Casey
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 4:00 PM
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Subject: [ntdev] Re: value of open-source in the driver community (was
“how to execute a process…”)

No, just someone who works rather than steals for a living.

Bill Casey

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]On Behalf Of ivona
> prenosilova
> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 3:45 PM
> To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
> Subject: [ntdev] Re: value of open-source in the driver community (was
> “how to execute a process…”)
>
>
> Hello,
>
> BC> Peter:
> BC> Like Mt. Vesuvius I have been keeping the lid on my
> own pontification
> BC> regarding the “Open Sore” community. But your posting and
> the recent “Open
> BC> Source” front-cover headline by C/C++ Journal has caused
the following
> BC> venting:
> BC> By the sweat of my brow and force of my intellect (no
> sniggering!) I have
> BC> managed to stay in business for myself for almost 30 years.
> So why should I
> BC> be forced either directly or through reverse engineering to
> make both past
> BC> AND future intellectual work product not only FREE but FREELY
> available?
> BC> How the hell am I and thousands like me supposed to make
> money? Are we
> BC> supposed to DONATE our time and thoughts.
> BC> It isn’t often I come to the defense of Microsoft but
> I will in this
> BC> instance. Let’s all quit whining about having the Windows
> source available.
> BC> Maybe we should all stare at our OWN code a little longer for
> the sake of
> BC> improving it rather than dump responsibility onto MS for
our perceived
> BC> difficulties. Buck up and take it like a man. It is THEIR
> code paid for
> BC> with THEIR money. We can complain but it isn’t our RIGHT to
> look at, touch
> BC> it or feel it.
> BC> If only I had a small chance of speaking to the head
> of Red Hat, I’d let
> BC> him know my opinion of his recent comment that “one should be
> able to look
> BC> at source code without fear of being arrested”. Well, he can
> look at MY
> BC> source code but he should fear getting the crap beat out of him.
> BC> Bottom line is that these “penguinites” as you so
> politely call them are
> BC> nothing more than lazy, thieving, stupid, fascist,
> BC> bottom-dwelling scavengers. They want to impose their socialist
> BC> world-view
> (that software
> BC> should be free) on all of us. They want it free because in
the final
> BC> analysis they are cheap assholes cloaked in the mantle of
> world saviors.
>
> BC> Bill Casey
>
> BC> == SCSI Adapters & VirtualSCSI™ Target Mode Libs ==
> BC> Advanced Storage Concepts, Inc. (409) 744-2129
> BC> 2720 Terminal Drive xxxxx@virtualscsi.com
> BC> Galveston, TX 77554 USA www.virtualscsi.com
>
> this sounds to me as a comment written by and American who hangs
> every morning USA national flag on pole before his house :slight_smile:
>
> –
> Best regards,
> Ivona Prenosilova
>
>
>
> —
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Well you are sort of french looking.

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Mark Roddy

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Viscarola [mailto:xxxxx@osr.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 5:09 PM
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Subject: [ntdev] Re: value of open-source in the driver community (was “how
to execute a process…”)

“ivona prenosilova” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…

> BC> Bottom line is that these “penguinites” as you so politely
call them are
> BC> nothing more than lazy, thieving, stupid, fascist, bottom-dwelling
>
>
> this sounds to me as a comment written by and American who hangs every
> morning USA national flag on pole before his house :slight_smile:
>

Careful, Ivona… People are gonna take this as flame bait.

I’m sure you mean that in the nicest possible sense: That Mr. Casey’s is a
very typically American view of intellectual property. One that’s not
necessarily shared so vociferously in other places.

Peter
(also a native born US citizen, before somebody on this list asks me to
prove my bona fides)

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Let me see if I understand. I write a piece of code, I want to put it under
the GPL. Should I not be able to do that ? More, if I’m a star programmer
and I can write nontrivial code in the back of an envelope while I’m waiting
in the supermarket line, should I not put my code under the GPL in deference
to people who have to spend time enough writing the equivalent software that
they think they deserve to be paid for it ? Or let’s say, I’m a professor
and I write a compiler to use in my classroom teaching - should I not be
entitled to give away my source code under the GPL ?

Not that I particularly love the GPL, but I believe that we must strive for
a free market. Which includes the right to give things away if that’s what
we figure it’s in our best interest. And it does get to a point where
certain kinds of code become trivial enough that, well, people begin to feel
they shouldn’t pay for it after all !

Alberto.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Casey [mailto:xxxxx@virtualscsi.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 8:26 PM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: value of open-source in the driver community (was
“how to execute a process…”)

> state of the art, and society in general, rather than all sitting
working for different companies individually writing code to solve
the same old
> > problems for which code has been written many times before. It’s a
> > service model instead of a property model, and it enables a vastly
> > greater proportion of a limited resource to be spent on innovation and
> > advancement instead of repeating the same old same old.
>
> Wow! “sitting around working for different companies”! The fall of the
> Soviet Union must have been a CRUSHING blow to you.

Why do you say such a silly thing? What is the connection between
your distortion of what I said, dishonestly enclosed in quotation marks,
and your comment?

You’re right; my apologies for inserting “around” - very dishonest,
a grave
distortion, very silly! I suppose sitting ‘around’ (after your
non-programming day job presumably) “advancing the state of the art, and
society in general” (did I get that one right?) is what you do. But really,
referring to honesty when we’re discussing the ‘Open Theft Community’ is a
bit of a stretch, what?

Bill Casey

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