RE: EVERYONE READ! -- Whistler installs ...

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1

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/1/14592.html

Important info that will affect us ALL.

Regards,

Paul Bunn, UltraBac.com, 425-644-6000
Microsoft MVP - WindowsNT/2000
http://www.ultrabac.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Little [mailto:xxxxx@delphieng.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 9:26 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: Whistler installs …

I posted this on the beta groups, but got no takers …

Has anyone attempted to install a 2000 driver on Whistler that requires
replacing a delivered driver with a driver under development? The delivered
driver has of course been blessed by Microsoft where as the developing driver
has not. When I attempted this I got a bitch box stating “The specified location
does not contain information about your hardware.” The drivers and INF files
work fine under 2000.

Gary

2

Quick thought Does the driver need to be signed / have a signature attached
to ?
If so and your win 2k one contains a signature may be the code for
attaching the signature has changed

Robert Fernando
Anite Telecoms Ltd
110 Fleet Road
Fleet
Hampshire GU13 8PD
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-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Little [mailto:xxxxx@delphieng.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 5:26 PM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: Whistler installs …

I posted this on the beta groups, but got no takers …

Has anyone attempted to install a 2000 driver on Whistler that requires
replacing a delivered driver with a driver under development? The
delivered driver has of course been blessed by Microsoft where as the
developing driver has not. When I attempted this I got a bitch box stating
“The specified location does not contain information about your hardware.”
The drivers and INF files work fine under 2000.

Gary

3

> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/1/14592.html

Important info that will affect us ALL.

MS would better invent a way of blocking the CreateRemoteThread call - which
(and the DLL injection associated with it) is a huge hole viruses can use.

Max

4

Gary,

Send me the details privately. This sounds more an *.inf
incompatibility issue than a driver signing issue.

Sandy Spinrad
Device Driver Evangelist
Microsoft Corporation

-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Gary Little
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 9:26 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: Whistler installs …

I posted this on the beta groups, but got no takers …

Has anyone attempted to install a 2000 driver on
Whistler that requires replacing a delivered driver with a driver under
development? The delivered driver has of course been blessed by
Microsoft where as the developing driver has not. When I attempted this
I got a bitch box stating “The specified location does not contain
information about your hardware.” The drivers and INF files work fine
under 2000.

Gary

5

Ok … read it.

So how do I load an “unblessed” driver that is in development, and may never
be blessed, since our customers generally don’t give a shit about
Microsoft’s blessings?

They write their own apps for our hardware and drivers. We’re not talking
about millions of PC’s on home desktops.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Bunn [mailto:xxxxx@UltraBac.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 9:52 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] RE: EVERYONE READ! – Whistler installs …

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/1/14592.html

Important info that will affect us ALL.

Regards,

Paul Bunn, UltraBac.com, 425-644-6000
Microsoft MVP - WindowsNT/2000
http://www.ultrabac.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Little [mailto:xxxxx@delphieng.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 9:26 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: Whistler installs …

I posted this on the beta groups, but got no takers …

Has anyone attempted to install a 2000 driver on Whistler that requires
replacing a delivered driver with a driver under development? The
delivered
driver has of course been blessed by Microsoft where as the developing
driver
has not. When I attempted this I got a bitch box stating “The specified
location
does not contain information about your hardware.” The drivers and INF
files
work fine under 2000.

Gary

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Fernando,

The driver is in development, so obviously it has not been signed.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Fernando, Robert [mailto:xxxxx@anitetelecoms.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 10:25 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] RE: Whistler installs …

Quick thought Does the driver need to be signed / have a signature attached
to ?
If so and your win 2k one contains a signature may be the code for
attaching the signature has changed

Robert Fernando
Anite Telecoms Ltd
110 Fleet Road
Fleet
Hampshire GU13 8PD
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1252 775200
Fax: +44 (0) 1252 775 321
Email: xxxxx@anitetelecoms.com

Anite Telecoms Limited Registered in England No. 1721900 Registered
Office: 100 Longwater Avenue, GreenPark, Reading, Berkshire RG2 6GP,
United Kingdom

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Little [mailto:xxxxx@delphieng.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 5:26 PM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: Whistler installs …

I posted this on the beta groups, but got no takers …

Has anyone attempted to install a 2000 driver on Whistler that requires
replacing a delivered driver with a driver under development? The
delivered driver has of course been blessed by Microsoft where as the
developing driver has not. When I attempted this I got a bitch box stating
“The specified location does not contain information about your hardware.”
The drivers and INF files work fine under 2000.

Gary

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You can get a key to sign a driver for test development from MS. (It cannot be
released with this test key though)
I can’t recall the URL off-hand though.

Regards,

Paul Bunn, UltraBac.com, 425-644-6000
Microsoft MVP - WindowsNT/2000
http://www.ultrabac.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Little [mailto:xxxxx@delphieng.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 11:14 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] RE: Whistler installs …

Fernando,

The driver is in development, so obviously it has not been signed.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Fernando, Robert [mailto:xxxxx@anitetelecoms.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 10:25 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] RE: Whistler installs …

Quick thought Does the driver need to be signed / have a signature attached
to ?
If so and your win 2k one contains a signature may be the code for
attaching the signature has changed

Robert Fernando
Anite Telecoms Ltd
110 Fleet Road
Fleet
Hampshire GU13 8PD
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1252 775200
Fax: +44 (0) 1252 775 321
Email: xxxxx@anitetelecoms.com

Anite Telecoms Limited Registered in England No. 1721900 Registered
Office: 100 Longwater Avenue, GreenPark, Reading, Berkshire RG2 6GP,
United Kingdom

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Little [mailto:xxxxx@delphieng.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 5:26 PM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: Whistler installs …

I posted this on the beta groups, but got no takers …

Has anyone attempted to install a 2000 driver on Whistler that requires
replacing a delivered driver with a driver under development? The
delivered driver has of course been blessed by Microsoft where as the
developing driver has not. When I attempted this I got a bitch box stating
“The specified location does not contain information about your hardware.”
The drivers and INF files work fine under 2000.

Gary

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>MS would better invent a way of blocking the CreateRemoteThread call - which

(and the DLL injection associated with it) is a huge hole viruses can use.

If you take the stand that a signed app can be trusted, this is not a
problem, as the system would not run the code that contained the malicious
CreateRemoteThread call. I’d think people would want to be selective about
which signatures they trust.

An app signed by a large ISV will probably not have a virus built in,
although may still have bugs. The slippery slope is ISV’s may start being
legally liable for their bugs, which I personally think is a good thing. I
can’t think of many industries where the manufacture get’s away with saying
their product may be defective and fail, and purchasers agree to this. This
is exactly what most software licenses say. Of course I would also expect
this liability to extend to the OS, which I think is a VERY good thing. My
guess is if companies could be sued if they ship buggy products software
quality might go up a bunch (price also may go up a bunch too). I’d just
love to see software companies be RESPONSIBLE for the products they ship.

This also goes down the slippery slope of requiring software engineers to
be licensed, just like currently is required for say structural engineers.

Generally, I’m in favor of improving software quality, as at the moment the
bad quality is a really serious crisis. Most software doesn’t have
someone’s physical safety at stake, but very commonly does have financial
impact if it fails or produces incorrect results.

  • Jan
9

Paul,

At this time Microsoft does not have a program where driver developers
can get a signature for testing. In the past Microsoft has experimented
with a test signature program with a handful of vendors and we are
evaluating expanding access to a test signature program for the next
release Windows codenamed Whistler, but at this time Microsoft is
generally not able to provide test signatures.

–Sandy

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Bunn [mailto:xxxxx@UltraBac.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 11:34 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] RE: Whistler installs …

You can get a key to sign a driver for test development from MS. (It
cannot be
released with this test key though)
I can’t recall the URL off-hand though.

Regards,

Paul Bunn, UltraBac.com, 425-644-6000
Microsoft MVP - WindowsNT/2000
http://www.ultrabac.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Little [mailto:xxxxx@delphieng.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 11:14 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] RE: Whistler installs …

Fernando,

The driver is in development, so obviously it has not been signed.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Fernando, Robert [mailto:xxxxx@anitetelecoms.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 10:25 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] RE: Whistler installs …

Quick thought Does the driver need to be signed / have a signature
attached
to ?
If so and your win 2k one contains a signature may be the code for
attaching the signature has changed

Robert Fernando
Anite Telecoms Ltd
110 Fleet Road
Fleet
Hampshire GU13 8PD
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1252 775200
Fax: +44 (0) 1252 775 321
Email: xxxxx@anitetelecoms.com

Anite Telecoms Limited Registered in England No. 1721900 Registered
Office: 100 Longwater Avenue, GreenPark, Reading, Berkshire RG2 6GP,
United Kingdom

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Little [mailto:xxxxx@delphieng.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 5:26 PM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: Whistler installs …

I posted this on the beta groups, but got no takers …

Has anyone attempted to install a 2000 driver on Whistler that
requires
replacing a delivered driver with a driver under development? The
delivered driver has of course been blessed by Microsoft where as the
developing driver has not. When I attempted this I got a bitch box
stating
“The specified location does not contain information about your
hardware.”
The drivers and INF files work fine under 2000.

Gary

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> guess is if companies could be sued if they ship buggy products software

quality might go up a bunch (price also may go up a bunch too). I’d just
love to see software companies be RESPONSIBLE for the products they

Even in the current legal situation, if the company wants to provide the
real quality guarantee (and earn additional money on it by raising the
price) - they can use this approach and write the appropriate EULA.
I don’t think that there is no such companies. The situation you do not like
seems to be mainly on the mass-production consumer software market
(especially desktop one).

Generally, I’m in favor of improving software quality, as at the moment
the bad quality is a really serious crisis.

There is lots of talks on it, but… looks like there is no real market
force to improve the consumer software quality. People still do buy what the
companies provide and are comforted with “no warranty” EULAs.

Most software doesn’t have
someone’s physical safety at stake, but very commonly does have financial
impact if it fails or produces incorrect results.

Things like MSSQLServer or Oracle seem to be rather well-debugged and
trustworthy.
And AV fault in, say, ICQ at one’s desktop will not have any financial
impact.

Max

11

Hi Gary,

If a digital signature should be necessary you, your device must pass the
test of WHQL.
Check this URL.
http://www.microsoft.com/hwtest/signatures/

By the way, are you trying to install the device driver of what device?
There was no problem though I installed USBModem in Whistler with inf of
Windows2000.
I think that there is a device category that the installation of the driver
is blocked after WindowsME.
If it never has an influence, I think that you should do confirmation.
Or, it has the possibility that your inf isn’t based on the inf reference
of windows2000DDK.

refer to this URLs.
http://www.microsoft.com/hwtest/search/details.asp?Type=Announcement&ID=195&Key=All%20WHQL&Sort=Date

http://www.microsoft.com/hwtest/search/details.asp?Type=Information&ID=174&Key=All%20WHQL&Sort=Date

http://www.microsoft.com/hwtest/search/details.asp?Type=Information&ID=373&Key=All%20WHQL&Sort=Date

Makoto

From: “Sandy Spinrad”
>Reply-To: “NT Developers Interest List”
>To: “NT Developers Interest List”
>Subject: [ntdev] RE: Whistler installs …
>Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 14:46:08 -0800
>
>Paul,
>
>At this time Microsoft does not have a program where driver developers
>can get a signature for testing. In the past Microsoft has experimented
>with a test signature program with a handful of vendors and we are
>evaluating expanding access to a test signature program for the next
>release Windows codenamed Whistler, but at this time Microsoft is
>generally not able to provide test signatures.
>
>–Sandy
>
> -----Original Message-----
>From: Paul Bunn [mailto:xxxxx@UltraBac.com]
>Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 11:34 AM
>To: NT Developers Interest List
>Subject: [ntdev] RE: Whistler installs …
>
>You can get a key to sign a driver for test development from MS. (It
>cannot be
>released with this test key though)
>I can’t recall the URL off-hand though.
>
>Regards,
>
>Paul Bunn, UltraBac.com, 425-644-6000
>Microsoft MVP - WindowsNT/2000
>http://www.ultrabac.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gary Little [mailto:xxxxx@delphieng.com]
>Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 11:14 AM
>To: NT Developers Interest List
>Subject: [ntdev] RE: Whistler installs …
>
>
>Fernando,
>
>The driver is in development, so obviously it has not been signed.
>
>Gary
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Fernando, Robert [mailto:xxxxx@anitetelecoms.com]
>Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 10:25 AM
>To: NT Developers Interest List
>Subject: [ntdev] RE: Whistler installs …
>
>
>Quick thought Does the driver need to be signed / have a signature
>attached
>to ?
>If so and your win 2k one contains a signature may be the code for
>attaching the signature has changed
>
>Robert Fernando
>Anite Telecoms Ltd
>110 Fleet Road
>Fleet
>Hampshire GU13 8PD
>United Kingdom
>Tel: +44 (0) 1252 775200
>Fax: +44 (0) 1252 775 321
>Email: xxxxx@anitetelecoms.com
>
>
>Anite Telecoms Limited Registered in England No. 1721900 Registered
>Office: 100 Longwater Avenue, GreenPark, Reading, Berkshire RG2 6GP,
>United Kingdom
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gary Little [mailto:xxxxx@delphieng.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 5:26 PM
> > To: NT Developers Interest List
> > Subject: Whistler installs …
> >
> > I posted this on the beta groups, but got no takers …
> >
> > Has anyone attempted to install a 2000 driver on Whistler that
>requires
> > replacing a delivered driver with a driver under development? The
> > delivered driver has of course been blessed by Microsoft where as the
> > developing driver has not. When I attempted this I got a bitch box
>stating
> > “The specified location does not contain information about your
>hardware.”
> > The drivers and INF files work fine under 2000.
> >
> > Gary
>
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