Let’s not deviate too much. Patients do not relate to Doctors
as Employers to Employees. Patients have no reasonable means
to evaluate Doctors’ expertise. Some kind of public institution
is required to do that for them. No so for Employers. Your point
is thus not acceptable. Let’s not go outside of facts and history
of our industry. When our company tries to hire a driver developer
he is invited for interview by his would-be-peers. This certification
process works very reliably. There are no mistakes made. Now, imagine
a guy appears with a certificate issued by Microsoft. Would we hire
him without our interview now? Stupid question, don’t you think?
Ok, Ok, if an employer gets many resumes, half of them certified,
they might put them to the head of the interview line. That’s all
the cert would buy for them. But I don’t think it would be a smart
move. Really good people are too busy to spend weeks preparing for
a certification.
— “Roddy, Mark” wrote:
> Er no, doctors go to school for whatever, but in order to practice in a
> specialty they get ‘board certified’ by the appropriate professional
> association, who may also decertify them. Before you propose a
> counterfactual you really ought to find out if it is true.
>
> A simple google of:
> medical certification process
> would have prevented this mistake.
>
> For example: http://www.abns.org/certproc.htm
>
> I have no problem with software professionals getting certified in their
> area of expertise, as long as the process is fair and reasonable.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Asher Hoodin [mailto:xxxxx@aam-ch.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 1:04 PM
> > To: NT Developers Interest List
> > Subject: [ntdev] Re: Certification for windows device driver
> > developer s
> >
> >
> >
> > They dont get certified they go to college for 10 years.
> > Big difference. Certification = waste.
> >
> > HAND,
> > Asher
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> > [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]On Behalf Of Roddy, Mark
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 12:32 PM
> > To: NT Developers Interest List
> > Subject: [ntdev] Re: Certification for windows device driver
> > developer s
> >
> >
> > You feel the same way about certification of other
> > professionals, such as, for example, doctors?
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ntdev Reader [mailto:xxxxx@yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 12:29 PM
> > > To: NT Developers Interest List
> > > Subject: [ntdev] Re: Certification for windows device driver
> > > developers
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah, certification is really a VERY BAD idea. What it will
> > > turn into is that bosses around will start requiring the
> > > certification and driver developers will have to pay money to
> > > the certifying authority maybe even including travelling
> > > there, for who would certify you by e-mail or phone? And your
> > > current boss will not pay for this, for he already knows your
> > > abilities. You will have to pay yourself, to get a
> > > certificate before you find another job. So, this will just
> > > transfer money from your pocket to the certifier, and won’t
> > > make you any better developer. And they still won’t hire
> > > people without experience 
> > >
> > > What the original poster’s boss is looking for is likely to
> > > find pretexts to be able to lay off somebody if a need
> > > arises. The only cure for this is to spend more time learning
> > > and demonstrating to him that you can to a good job. The boss
> > > needs reliable drivers in predictable time. If you can give
> > > him this, he will love you. Otherwise no certification will help.
> > >
> > > — Asher Hoodin wrote:
> > > > OSR already has seminars. Other companies have WDM
> > > Training. Bother
> > > > to look at the OSR web sight. As for certification in
> > > general…well
> > > > MCSE failed miserably at making an inexperienced workforce
> > > any good.
> > > > Nobody I have ever met is an MCSD. Maybe your boss should
> > > spring for
> > > > some seminars. I am sure that some third party companies
> > > have testing
> > > > available. I will forward
> > > > the names of the companies shortly.
> > > >
> > > > Asher
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Guys,
> > > > >
> > > > > These not being the best of times, my Boss wants me take
> > > some sort
> > > > > of tests to quantify my proficiency in Windows device driver
> > > > > development.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does any one of you know of good certifying authorities in
> > > > > driverland. If there are no one, does OSR plan to certify?
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Vinay.
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