They dont get certified they go to college for 10 years.
Big difference. Certification = waste.
HAND,
Asher
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[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]On Behalf Of Roddy, Mark
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 12:32 PM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: Certification for windows device driver developer s
You feel the same way about certification of other professionals, such as,
for example, doctors?
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Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 12:29 PM
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Subject: [ntdev] Re: Certification for windows device driver
developers
Yeah, certification is really a VERY BAD idea. What it will
turn into is that bosses around will start requiring the
certification and driver developers will have to pay money to
the certifying authority maybe even including travelling
there, for who would certify you by e-mail or phone? And your
current boss will not pay for this, for he already knows your
abilities. You will have to pay yourself, to get a
certificate before you find another job. So, this will just
transfer money from your pocket to the certifier, and won’t
make you any better developer. And they still won’t hire
people without experience 
What the original poster’s boss is looking for is likely to
find pretexts to be able to lay off somebody if a need
arises. The only cure for this is to spend more time learning
and demonstrating to him that you can to a good job. The boss
needs reliable drivers in predictable time. If you can give
him this, he will love you. Otherwise no certification will help.
— Asher Hoodin wrote:
> > OSR already has seminars. Other companies have WDM
> Training. Bother
> > to look at the OSR web sight. As for certification in
> general…well
> > MCSE failed miserably at making an inexperienced workforce
> any good.
> > Nobody I have ever met is an MCSD. Maybe your boss should
> spring for
> > some seminars. I am sure that some third party companies
> have testing
> > available. I will forward
> > the names of the companies shortly.
> >
> > Asher
> >
> > > Hi Guys,
> > >
> > > These not being the best of times, my Boss wants me take
> some sort
> > > of tests to quantify my proficiency in Windows device driver
> > > development.
> > >
> > > Does any one of you know of good certifying authorities in
> > > driverland. If there are no one, does OSR plan to certify?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Vinay.
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Gee, when I went to college we didn’t HAVE computers, or Computer Science
101. Well we DID have computers … big things that occupied entire city
blocks but only had 8K, and the CPU speed was measure in kilohertz.
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> They dont get certified they go to college for 10 years.
> Big difference. Certification = waste.
>
> HAND,
> Asher
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> [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]On Behalf Of Roddy, Mark
> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 12:32 PM
> To: NT Developers Interest List
> Subject: [ntdev] Re: Certification for windows device driver developer s
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>
> You feel the same way about certification of other professionals, such as,
> for example, doctors?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ntdev Reader [mailto:xxxxx@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 12:29 PM
> > To: NT Developers Interest List
> > Subject: [ntdev] Re: Certification for windows device driver
> > developers
> >
> >
> > Yeah, certification is really a VERY BAD idea. What it will
> > turn into is that bosses around will start requiring the
> > certification and driver developers will have to pay money to
> > the certifying authority maybe even including travelling
> > there, for who would certify you by e-mail or phone? And your
> > current boss will not pay for this, for he already knows your
> > abilities. You will have to pay yourself, to get a
> > certificate before you find another job. So, this will just
> > transfer money from your pocket to the certifier, and won’t
> > make you any better developer. And they still won’t hire
> > people without experience
> >
> > What the original poster’s boss is looking for is likely to
> > find pretexts to be able to lay off somebody if a need
> > arises. The only cure for this is to spend more time learning
> > and demonstrating to him that you can to a good job. The boss
> > needs reliable drivers in predictable time. If you can give
> > him this, he will love you. Otherwise no certification will help.
> >
> > — Asher Hoodin wrote:
> > > OSR already has seminars. Other companies have WDM
> > Training. Bother
> > > to look at the OSR web sight. As for certification in
> > general…well
> > > MCSE failed miserably at making an inexperienced workforce
> > any good.
> > > Nobody I have ever met is an MCSD. Maybe your boss should
> > spring for
> > > some seminars. I am sure that some third party companies
> > have testing
> > > available. I will forward
> > > the names of the companies shortly.
> > >
> > > Asher
> > >
> > > > Hi Guys,
> > > >
> > > > These not being the best of times, my Boss wants me take
> > some sort
> > > > of tests to quantify my proficiency in Windows device driver
> > > > development.
> > > >
> > > > Does any one of you know of good certifying authorities in
> > > > driverland. If there are no one, does OSR plan to certify?
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Vinay.
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