Having worked in both OO and normal C, as well as having been grounded in
assembly when the only HOLs that existed were COBOL or FORTRAN … I have
never, ever, seen a language that was inherently “3 times easier to
explain”. OO is 3 times easier to explain!?!?!??!
REALLLY!?!?!?
Hmmmm, you mean printf("Hello world… is more obscure than
Cout >> Hello world …
Or
Outb reg, ‘H’
Outb reg, ‘e’
Outb reg, ‘l’
Outb reg, ‘l’
Outb reg, ‘o’
Outb reg, ’ ’
Outb reg, ‘w’
Outb reg, ‘o’
…
Me thinks “3 times easier to explain” is in the eye of the beholder. What
makes a given project “easier to explain” is care and discipline in
preparing documentation and intra-program commentary, NOT the language. The
absolute easiest project I have EVER dealt with was a sonar trainer for the
U. S. Navy. Every line of code for it was written in Honeywell assembly
language, and every function, module, and variable was documented using
flowcharts in a separate document. If you changed ANYTHING in that program,
you changed the document FIRST, and then changed the code and THEN you
debugged it. If the change didn’t work you started at the beginning. The
final deliverable was commented source, functional program, AND correct
documentation.
Some of the WORSE code I’ve had to “grok” is the crap that claims to be OO,
which wasn’t documented because OO and C++ is so self-documenting and “3
times easier to explain”.
Obscurity is common to all languages, and is more a function of the
developer or development team.
I’ve used OO in a kernel mode driver. I never will again. Why? Because
debugging it was nothing but punching through layer after layer after
goddamn layer of abstract obscurity to get to the problem.
Gary G. Little
Staff Engineer
Broadband Storage, Inc.
xxxxx@broadstor.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Flanagan [mailto:xxxxx@greshamstorage.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 11:05 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: 3rd party Device driver development tool or pure wdm
driver development…Which is the best???
Frankly, I disagree. I’d settle for a driver with 2/3 more lines for an
architecture that’s 3 times easier to explain to someone who has to maintain
or extend it. If that means using OO methodology, then have at it. I’m not
arguing for or against any particular methodology here, just against the bag
full of tricks that obscure intention for the sake of code size or fear of
the unknown.
Also, just because it has been that way forever doesn’t make it right.
Todd
-----Original Message-----
From: Jamey Kirby [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 2:26 PM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: 3rd party Device driver development tool or pure
wdm driver development…Which is the best???Let me say this:
I have nothing against tool kits. Esp. if they are available with
source. My argument is against C++ OO development in a KM driver.Drivers should be small and tight. I think we all agree with this; it
has been so forever in the “black magic” world of driver development.
So, I content that if you NEED to use C++ and OO in your driver, maybe
more time should be spent rethinking the architecture and design.Jamey
-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Jan Bottorff
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 7:38 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: 3rd party Device driver development tool or pure
wdm driver development…Which is the best???>If you want a tool that will get you 0-60 faster than your
competition
>could ever
>even think of getting there, use a tool like WinDK.I always thought it was appropriate to learn to drive BEFORE finding
yourself at the steering wheel of a potential lethal weapon going 60.
- Jan
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