Jamey,
Honestly I agree with this. Actually no-one should getaway with crapy
software. But come to think of it, it is very very hard to define/measure
what is/are crapy software. Of course, that does not leave much room for an
excuse, but in general we can not say that all the AV FW etc are bad.
My next try would be NOD32 :).
-pro
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[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]On Behalf Of Jamey Kirby
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 7:52 AM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: RE: Re[2]: [ntdev] Norton Antivirus
DISCLAIMER: I am in no way associated with ESET.
NOD32 is by far the most reliable and solid AV software I have ever used.
Let’s not let companies like Symantec get away with flooding the market with
crappy software. If you need AV software, try NOD32. To date, I have
experienced zero conflicts.
www.nod32.com
Jamey
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[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Prokash Sinha
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:10 AM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: RE: Re[2]: [ntdev] Norton Antivirus
Michal,
My experience with virus is horrible !!!
I have on domain, and I can get a slab of 8 to 10 fixed ip ( old
fashioned ). Started using BlackICE ( not quite AV), but a firewall back in
1998, before that I was experiencing heavy knocks to my machines, and it was
constantly spoofing my machine(s)…
Then when personal firwall and AV combination(s) came along, I switched over
to ZoneAlarm P-fw, and norton/Mcaffee AV and that also did not leave me w/o
hits, though much less provided I keep the updates ( that is also some time
behind time ).
In an office env., or in a home env with a router ( syslink etc ),
penetration is much harder even w/o firewall/av due to NAT feature, but most
office router and personal router now-a-days have firewall/av types
firmware, and Norton plays a big role there.
IHMO, there are old softwares, that might surface as incompatibilites and/or
security bugs, and NAV happens to be one. They are usually monstorous,
having touched by zillion developers, w/o sufficient design abstarct etc.,
so it makes doubly difficult for major architectural renovation…
There are companies they are also into analysis tools to find holes in
binaries to attack this worm/virus problems and they are doing fine. May be
I dont know enough of technology, so I think it is at this point vital to
have a good grasp of what solutions these security people are providing. I
bet they can’t be that WRONG, as some of you trying to stress !!!
-pro
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From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]On Behalf Of Michal Vodicka
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 1:13 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: RE: Re[2]: [ntdev] Norton Antivirus
Take is from ordinal user perspective. There is a lot of known worms and
viruses in the wild and why? Just because of lusers who don’t use AVs,
firewalls and don’t know safe procedures how to protect themselves. Most of
them use IE/OE and tell them about installing latest patch. For them it is
better to have something which may not ensure 100% safety (and what does?)
but at least catches known animals and protects them against their mistakes.
In this case even false sense of security is better than no security. Weird,
but infected lusers computers cause problems for others and whole 'Net.
Personally, I never used any AV and never had a virus or worm. But I know
rather clever people who use computers just as a tools and which were
infected because or IE/OE exploits. Some I persuaded to use different
browser and mailer and for the rest it is better to have some AV.
What is the best AV is questionable, I also heard good references about
NOD32. But there is no question the worst AV is.
Best regards,
Michal Vodicka
UPEK, Inc.
[xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
From:
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behalf of ivona prenosilova[SMTP:xxxxx@post.cz]
Reply To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 7:04 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: Re[2]: [ntdev] Norton Antivirus
Hello,
Wednesday, January 12, 2005, 4:25:10 PM, you wrote:
i find these what’s the best antivirus discussion funny. even though i
agree with Jamey that nod32 is the best av it is still useless.
today mainly worms that uses exploits not social engineering are
spreading. maybe some of you have read those papers about how far this
year worms spread, how it is dangerous and that you should buy
<put_a_name_here> to protect yourself and in that in the future worms
> will spread even faster! usual pr crap. now, if worms in next year
> will spread so fast that they’ll have their peak behind them after 15
> minutes and AV vendors are able to respond in 2 hours and release their
> database diff.(if they’re fast) for what are there general av programs
> for?
>
> maybe some of you read that <put_a_name_here> AV program can detect
> over 100k viruses. oh, what a number!? how many viruses/worms have you
> met on your machine? 100k? maybe 10 that are ITW on top. for what you
> need av program that can catch 100k viruses?
>
> av programs today are unable to cure most of the viruses they
> detect. that’s funny, because they’ll tell you you have an infection
> and they cannot cure that so it will be the best thing for you to do
> to reformat/reinstall all your stuff. heh. so better if you’re machine
> starts to behave abnormally forget the av program and
> reformat/reinstall on your own. it will safe you some bucks.
>
> one-purpose av programs, personal firewalls, next generation networks,
> that are able to detect massive worm spreading, behaviour blockers etc
> is the way to go. forget todays general av programs, they’re useless,
> they just eat resources on your box as they’re overbloated.
>
> –
> Best regards,
> Ivona Prenosilova
>
>
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