NuMega Driver Studio...

Michal_Vodicka-1 · October 5, 2001, 8:25pm

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> Since windbg is committed to a windows GUI, I know they will never
support
> one system development.

Supported on XP.

Nope. It seems as new urban legend arose… (before replying please read
relevant part of windbg docs thoroughly)

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OSR_Community_User · October 7, 2001, 12:55am

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Try testing
roaming from subnet to subnet with two devices connected by a
cable.

Two (or more) subnets in your office. If necessary, multiple little gray
boxes at the end of the wires, but I can’t imagine a setup where you have to
have two outlet boxes to have two separate subnets.

Phil
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OSR_Community_User · October 8, 2001, 4:34am

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Alberto, can you explain secondary VGA support a bit? I like
mono monitor
but it seems I’ll be forced to change soon because no new
dual motherboard
have ISA slot for mono adapter

Yes, I use this feature and like it very much.

I never tried to use two VGA cards at once and know nothing
about it. I’m
asking here because think it may be interesting for more SI
users. I’d like
to know:

if SI is displayed all the time as on mono screen

yes

if secondary monitor is in the VGA mode or uses UVD (Direct Draw)

it’s in vga mode

if SI controls fully secondary adapter as in the mono case

yes

and if there
are some hw dependencies

OS dependency (w2k+ and w98+ ?)

I tried it only on W2k but it workes on W9x,NT too

hw dependency – can I use any PCI videocard with current AGP one?

any possible problems

I use one AGP card and PCI card. There is no any problems. You have just to
understand what video card is primary in system. Read documentation.

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OSR_Community_User · October 8, 2001, 4:36am

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> I use the DDK, WinDbg, and most importantly this list.

I too. I do not like C++ in system-level development.
SoftICE is a great tool - for Win9x/Me

I use SI on NT platform and I don’t want to use WinDbg at all…
You are not right.

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OSR_Community_User · October 8, 2001, 4:41am

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From: Michal Vodicka [mailto:xxxxx@veridicom.cz.nospam]
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 1:21 AM
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Subject: [ntdev] RE: NuMega Driver Studio…

I would agree, missed it several times. What if SI
preallocate a file during
start and allow to save history buffer similar way as BlueSave did?

Yot can save SI history (all TRACEs and etc.) with the help of Symbol
Loader. Just go to menu File->Save SoftICE History as…
But in a case of remote debugging this a looks like a problem.
Albetrto, what would you say?

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OSR_Community_User · October 8, 2001, 4:50am

> > -----Original Message-----

> From: Michal Vodicka [mailto:xxxxx@veridicom.cz.nospam]
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>
> - hw dependency – can I use any PCI videocard with current AGP one?
> - any possible problems

I use one AGP card and PCI card. There is no any problems.
You have just to understand what video card is primary in
system. Read documentation.

Forgot to point where to read about this…
Just look for command ALTSCR VGA in SI help and everything will be clear

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Ilya_Lifshits · October 8, 2001, 6:00am

>Yot can save SI history (all TRACEs and etc.) with the help of Symbol

Loader. Just go to menu File->Save SoftICE History as…

In case that you are not crashed …

But in a case of remote debugging this a looks like a problem.

No problem here just copy and paste from command window.

Basically it’s pretty empty discussion both debuggers not bad and both has
his own problems.
Using both of them also possible (i use both).

Ilya.

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> >
> > I would agree, missed it several times. What if SI
> > preallocate a file during
> > start and allow to save history buffer similar way as BlueSave did?
> >
>
>Yot can save SI history (all TRACEs and etc.) with the help of Symbol
>Loader. Just go to menu File->Save SoftICE History as…
>
>But in a case of remote debugging this a looks like a problem.
>Albetrto, what would you say?
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OSR_Community_User · October 8, 2001, 11:40am

The “SET MONITOR n” SoftICE command can be used to flip the popup from a
primary to a secondary monitor, as long as the OS supports it. I’ve used it
in Win2K without any problems, it should also work in Win98+. It’s the full
SoftICE popup, so, it also goes through DIrectDraw. It will run on any dual
monitor system that is supported by the OS.

Alberto.

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From: Moreira, Alberto[SMTP:xxxxx@compuware.com]
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Secondary VGA monitor support: it should work fine on OSs that support it.
Better than your old mono monitor. Also, some video vendors are coming out
with chips that hog the b000 memory range and the 3bx i/o range, which
effectively precludes the use of a mono monitor.

Alberto, can you explain secondary VGA support a bit? I like mono monitor
but it seems I’ll be forced to change soon because no new dual motherboard
have ISA slot for mono adapter

I never tried to use two VGA cards at once and know nothing about it. I’m
asking here because think it may be interesting for more SI users. I’d like
to know:

if SI is displayed all the time as on mono screen
if secondary monitor is in the VGA mode or uses UVD (Direct Draw)
if SI controls fully secondary adapter as in the mono case and if there
are some hw dependencies
OS dependency (w2k+ and w98+ ?)
hw dependency – can I use any PCI videocard with current AGP one?
any possible problems

Thanks.

Best regards,

Michal Vodicka
Veridicom
(RKK - Skytale)
[WWW: http://www.veridicom.com , http://www.skytale.com]

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Michal_Vodicka-1 · October 8, 2001, 7:17pm

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> I would agree, missed it several times. What if SI
> preallocate a file during
> start and allow to save history buffer similar way as BlueSave did?

Yot can save SI history (all TRACEs and etc.) with the help of Symbol
Loader. Just go to menu File->Save SoftICE History as…

Sure, but there are cases when you can’t return to user mode because system
is crashed.

Best regards,

Michal Vodicka
Veridicom
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Michal_Vodicka-1 · October 8, 2001, 7:24pm

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Basically it’s pretty empty discussion both debuggers not bad and both has
his own problems.
Using both of them also possible (i use both).

You’re right but there is always opened question “why to buy SoftICE when
there is WinDbg available for free?” which should be answered sometimes. And
it can be amusing – I received a private mail full of funny assertions as
“no real developer would ever develop a device driver on the same machine
that he uses for development”

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Michal Vodicka
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Mark_Roddy · October 8, 2001, 8:28pm

Well, the nt dev culture at microsoft appears to believe that no real
developer would use a debugger that didn’t look like unix adb or perhaps
sdb, (as in kdb.) Which of course explains why our friend windbag was in
such a sorry-ass state for the two years or so around the end of NT4 and
start of W2K. Nobody who could do anything about it was using it

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> Basically it’s pretty empty discussion both debuggers not
bad and both
> has his own problems. Using both of them also possible (i
use both).
>
You’re right but there is always opened question “why to buy
SoftICE when there is WinDbg available for free?” which
should be answered sometimes. And it can be amusing – I
received a private mail full of funny assertions as “no real
developer would ever develop a device driver on the same
machine that he uses for development”

Best regards,

Michal Vodicka
Veridicom
(RKK - Skytale)
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OSR_Community_User · October 8, 2001, 10:26pm

> sdb, (as in kdb.) Which of course explains why our friend windbag was in

such a sorry-ass state for the two years or so around the end of NT4 and

…and the good-working WinDbg uses the “kdb” engine inside it

I used the old WinDbg, though it was Tears Unnumbered to set up.

Max

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Norbert_Kawulski · October 9, 2001, 4:42am

Funny thread this is!
It seems to me like two people discussing about their tool they use.
One favors a hammer the other uses a screwdriver. Now the one with the
screwdriver thinks even nails should the hammered with his
screwdriver. The man with the hammer tells that he also hammers
screws. :-)))

Lets change this thread and discuss the sole and only editor which a
‘real programmer’ should use. ;->
By the way ? Is ‘edlin’ shipped with WinXP ?

ROTFL

“The true way goes over a rope which is not stretched at any great
height but just above the ground. It seems more designed to make
people stumble than to be walked upon. - Franz Kafka”

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OSR_Community_User · October 9, 2001, 2:39pm

Max:

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> devices. I mean mobile not portable. These are devices
(laptops, tablets,
> PDAs) which have to network and perform while in motion. My current

PDAs run other OSes then NT.

My point was that mobile devices (NT, Linux, Palm…) need one system
debugging.

> dependence on windbg while SoftIce gets up to speed is a
pain. Try testing
> roaming from subnet to subnet with two devices connected by
a cable.

…and this is the only thing in mobile development which you
cannot test with a cable.

This was an example. Not an exhaustive list. I tend to use examples in my
descriptions to provide better understanding.

> Since windbg is committed to a windows GUI, I know they
will never support
> one system development.

Supported on XP.

NOT supported on XP. This “-kl” option on XP is not debugging. You cannot
set a break point. (See an example; not an exhaustive list of all the things
that the -kl option won’t let you do.)

Max

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OSR_Community_User · October 9, 2001, 2:46pm

Philip:

We do have a system we call “robo-roam”, that turns access points off and on
periodically. Has helped us find many problems. However, there are issues
that arise with the gradual lose of one signal and picking up one or more
new signals. We can do a lot sitting at our desk, but still need to get off
our brains once in awhile and do some real world testing.

Michael S. Jackson
xxxxx@netmotionwireless.com

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Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 9:51 PM
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> [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]On Behalf Of Michael Jackson
> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:16 AM
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>
> Try testing
> roaming from subnet to subnet with two devices connected by a
> cable.

Two (or more) subnets in your office. If necessary, multiple
little gray
boxes at the end of the wires, but I can’t imagine a setup
where you have to
have two outlet boxes to have two separate subnets.

Phil
Philip D. Barila (503) 533-4005
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Gary_G_Little · October 9, 2001, 5:39pm

Well I’ll be damned. Yes edlin is still part of the system. And a POX on you
for bringing up foul and filthy memories of days gone by!!!

Gary

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Funny thread this is!
It seems to me like two people discussing about their tool they use.
One favors a hammer the other uses a screwdriver. Now the one with the
screwdriver thinks even nails should the hammered with his
screwdriver. The man with the hammer tells that he also hammers
screws. :-)))

Lets change this thread and discuss the sole and only editor which a
‘real programmer’ should use. ;->
By the way ? Is ‘edlin’ shipped with WinXP ?

ROTFL

“The true way goes over a rope which is not stretched at any great
height but just above the ground. It seems more designed to make
people stumble than to be walked upon. - Franz Kafka”

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OSR_Community_User · October 10, 2001, 12:24am

I had no idea you were speaking of literally roaming from one *wireless*
subnet to another. I interpreted your statement to mean unplug from one
wire, go to another part of the building, plug in another wire. I suppose
if I had looked at your e-mail address a bit more carefully, I would have
guessed that.

Hey, I do ATAPI storage, production-ready live disconnect isn’t a reality,
yet. And when it is, it’s still a wire.

Phil

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Philip:

We do have a system we call “robo-roam”, that turns access points off and on
periodically. Has helped us find many problems. However, there are issues
that arise with the gradual lose of one signal and picking up one or more
new signals. We can do a lot sitting at our desk, but still need to get off
our brains once in awhile and do some real world testing.

Michael S. Jackson
xxxxx@netmotionwireless.com

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Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 9:51 PM
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]On Behalf Of Michael Jackson
> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 10:16 AM
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> Subject: [ntdev] RE: NuMega Driver Studio…
>
> Try testing
> roaming from subnet to subnet with two devices connected by a
> cable.

Two (or more) subnets in your office. If necessary, multiple
little gray
boxes at the end of the wires, but I can’t imagine a setup
where you have to
have two outlet boxes to have two separate subnets.

Phil
Philip D. Barila (503) 533-4005
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OSR_Community_User · October 10, 2001, 1:07am

> > PDAs run other OSes then NT.

My point was that mobile devices (NT, Linux, Palm…) need one system
debugging.

Do you mean that the device vendor must supply an OS-independent kernel debugger for them?
Something like Sun’s “Stop-A” or old LSI-11 stuff - the keyboard hit which breaks the machine out of the OS to the ROM monitor (with
the ability of continuing the OS - yes, even as complex as UNIX - after this). Good idea.
Too bad PCs have no such. And they could. The CPU’s System Management Mode can be used for this.

NOT supported on XP. This “-kl” option on XP is not debugging. You cannot
set a break point. (See an example; not an exhaustive list of all the things
that the -kl option won’t let you do.)

Thanks for correcting me.

Max

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OSR_Community_User · October 10, 2001, 9:56am

Actually, not too long ago we were asked if SoftICE for DOS was still
available. The requester was a large hardware vendor who needed to have a
Windows-independent debugger to put in a bootable diskette and work with
some RAID arrays. Believe it or not, we still ship SoftICE for DOS with the
DriverStudio CD!

And I don’t know about edlin, but heck, I loved symdeb.

Alberto.

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Well I’ll be damned. Yes edlin is still part of the system. And a POX on you
for bringing up foul and filthy memories of days gone by!!!

Gary

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Funny thread this is!
It seems to me like two people discussing about their tool they use.
One favors a hammer the other uses a screwdriver. Now the one with the
screwdriver thinks even nails should the hammered with his
screwdriver. The man with the hammer tells that he also hammers
screws. :-)))

Lets change this thread and discuss the sole and only editor which a
‘real programmer’ should use. ;->
By the way ? Is ‘edlin’ shipped with WinXP ?

ROTFL

“The true way goes over a rope which is not stretched at any great
height but just above the ground. It seems more designed to make
people stumble than to be walked upon. - Franz Kafka”

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OSR_Community_User · October 11, 2001, 11:55am

Hi all,

I’ve DriverStudio version 1.00… which doesn’t support ‘Bounds Checker’
for win95/98… and supports only winNT/2000…
Can u tell me which version of DriverStudio supports ‘Bounds Checker’ for
win95/98…

Thanks in advance

raj

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Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 7:23 PM
Subject: [ntdev] Re: NuMega Driver Studio…

> Actually, not too long ago we were asked if SoftICE for DOS was still
> available. The requester was a large hardware vendor who needed to have a
> Windows-independent debugger to put in a bootable diskette and work with
> some RAID arrays. Believe it or not, we still ship SoftICE for DOS with
the
> DriverStudio CD!
>
> And I don’t know about edlin, but heck, I loved symdeb.
>
> Alberto.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary G. Little [mailto:xxxxx@inland.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 5:39 PM
> To: NT Developers Interest List
> Subject: [ntdev] Re: NuMega Driver Studio…
>
>
> Well I’ll be damned. Yes edlin is still part of the system. And a POX on
you
> for bringing up foul and filthy memories of days gone by!!!
>
> Gary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Norbert Kawulski
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 1:39 AM
> To: NT Developers Interest List
> Subject: [ntdev] Re: NuMega Driver Studio…
>
> Funny thread this is!
> It seems to me like two people discussing about their tool they use.
> One favors a hammer the other uses a screwdriver. Now the one with the
> screwdriver thinks even nails should the hammered with his
> screwdriver. The man with the hammer tells that he also hammers
> screws. :-)))
>
> Lets change this thread and discuss the sole and only editor which a
> ‘real programmer’ should use. ;->
> By the way ? Is ‘edlin’ shipped with WinXP ?
>
> ROTFL
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