I am trying to find some documentations for some functions declared in
ntifs.h such as ZwOpenThreadToken. I need that as soon as possible. I know
that Windows NT/2000 Native API Reference is one reference but it will take
a while to get that book. Any suggestions or links?
Thanks,
IH
I assume from your query that this is the GNU ntifs.h? You should realize
this is a kludged file that does not reflect the current state of the IFS,
for instance ZwOpenThreadToken is obsolete. The author of this file is a
thief, and the file should not be used.
–
Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
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“Ihab Hamadeh” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> I am trying to find some documentations for some functions declared in
> ntifs.h such as ZwOpenThreadToken. I need that as soon as possible. I know
> that Windows NT/2000 Native API Reference is one reference but it will
take
> a while to get that book. Any suggestions or links?
>
> Thanks,
> IH
>
>
Get the IFS Kit? The ntifs.h included in the IFS Kit is copyrighted
material, and (I think, memory a bit fuzzy) subject to an NDA as part of
the purchase.
Phil
Philip D. Barila
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xxxxx@lists.osr.com wrote on 12/17/2004 05:38:33 PM:
I am trying to find some documentations for some functions declared in
ntifs.h such as ZwOpenThreadToken. I need that as soon as possible. I
know
that Windows NT/2000 Native API Reference is one reference but it will
take
a while to get that book. Any suggestions or links?Thanks,
IH
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Thanks Don for letting me know because I have no clue. What are the latest
functions and how can i get the necessary documentation?
Thanks.
IH
-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]On Behalf Of Don Burn
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 8:10 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: Re:[ntdev] ntifs.h functions descriptionsI assume from your query that this is the GNU ntifs.h? You should realize
this is a kludged file that does not reflect the current state of the IFS,
for instance ZwOpenThreadToken is obsolete. The author of this file is a
thief, and the file should not be used.–
Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
Remove StopSpam from the email to reply“Ihab Hamadeh” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
>> I am trying to find some documentations for some functions declared in
>> ntifs.h such as ZwOpenThreadToken. I need that as soon as
>possible. I know
>> that Windows NT/2000 Native API Reference is one reference but it will
>take
>> a while to get that book. Any suggestions or links?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> IH
>>
>>
>
>
>
>—
>Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
>http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>
>You are currently
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>
You should obtain it from Microsoft. They actually have a program for
universities that allows them to obtain free copies of the IFS Kit.
Regards,
Tony
Tony Mason
Consulting Partner
OSR Open Systems Resources, Inc.
http://www.osr.com
-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Ihab Hamadeh
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 8:14 PM
To: ntdev redirect
Subject: RE: [ntdev] ntifs.h functions descriptions
Thanks Don for letting me know because I have no clue. What are the
latest
functions and how can i get the necessary documentation?
Thanks.
IH
-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]On Behalf Of Don Burn
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 8:10 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: Re:[ntdev] ntifs.h functions descriptionsI assume from your query that this is the GNU ntifs.h? You should
realize
this is a kludged file that does not reflect the current state of the
IFS,
for instance ZwOpenThreadToken is obsolete. The author of this file is
a
thief, and the file should not be used.–
Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
Remove StopSpam from the email to reply“Ihab Hamadeh” wrote in message
news:xxxxx@ntdev…
>> I am trying to find some documentations for some functions declared
in
>> ntifs.h such as ZwOpenThreadToken. I need that as soon as
>possible. I know
>> that Windows NT/2000 Native API Reference is one reference but it
will
>take
>> a while to get that book. Any suggestions or links?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> IH
>>
>>
>
>
>
>—
>Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
>http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>
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Thanks Tony. I already forwarded your reply to my department’s tech support.
I hope I haven’t been misunderstood. After reading some parts of the DDK
help, I was reading an open source code and I found the function
ZwOpenThreadToken, ZwOpenProcessToken and wanted to learn about them. I
couldn’t find it in the Windows Server 2003 Driver Development Kit that I
bought two months ago. So I checked Google and it returned ntifs.h and the
Windows 2000 Native API book but no explanations of these functions. That’s
why I asked and I appreciate all your feedbacks.
-IH
-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]On Behalf Of Tony Mason
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 8:24 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: RE: [ntdev] ntifs.h functions descriptionsYou should obtain it from Microsoft. They actually have a program for
universities that allows them to obtain free copies of the IFS Kit.Regards,
Tony
Tony Mason
Consulting Partner
OSR Open Systems Resources, Inc.
http://www.osr.com-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Ihab Hamadeh
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 8:14 PM
To: ntdev redirect
Subject: RE: [ntdev] ntifs.h functions descriptionsThanks Don for letting me know because I have no clue. What are the
latest
functions and how can i get the necessary documentation?Thanks.
IH>-----Original Message-----
>From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]On Behalf Of Don Burn
>Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 8:10 PM
>To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
>Subject: Re:[ntdev] ntifs.h functions descriptions
>
>
>I assume from your query that this is the GNU ntifs.h? You should
realize
>this is a kludged file that does not reflect the current state of the
IFS,
>for instance ZwOpenThreadToken is obsolete. The author of this file is
a
>thief, and the file should not be used.
>
>
>–
>Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
>Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
>Remove StopSpam from the email to reply
>
>“Ihab Hamadeh” wrote in message
>news:xxxxx@ntdev…
>>> I am trying to find some documentations for some functions declared
>in
>>> ntifs.h such as ZwOpenThreadToken. I need that as soon as
>>possible. I know
>>> that Windows NT/2000 Native API Reference is one reference but it
>will
>>take
>>> a while to get that book. Any suggestions or links?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> IH
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>—
>>Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
>>http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>>
>>You are currently
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There is documentation for the replacement funtion in the Microsoft IFS kit.
This is why I guessed you were dealing with the GNU IFS. A lot of us
hesitate to answer these questions on open forum since that is how the GNU
ntifs.h was created, by throwiing together an old ntddk.h with data from
various books and postings.
–
Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
Remove StopSpam from the email to reply
“Ihab Hamadeh” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> Thanks Tony. I already forwarded your reply to my department’s tech
support.
> I hope I haven’t been misunderstood. After reading some parts of the DDK
> help, I was reading an open source code and I found the function
> ZwOpenThreadToken, ZwOpenProcessToken and wanted to learn about them. I
> couldn’t find it in the Windows Server 2003 Driver Development Kit that I
> bought two months ago. So I checked Google and it returned ntifs.h and the
> Windows 2000 Native API book but no explanations of these functions.
That’s
> why I asked and I appreciate all your feedbacks.
>
> -IH
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> >[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]On Behalf Of Tony Mason
> >Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 8:24 PM
> >To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> >Subject: RE: [ntdev] ntifs.h functions descriptions
> >
> >
> >You should obtain it from Microsoft. They actually have a program for
> >universities that allows them to obtain free copies of the IFS Kit.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Tony
> >
> >Tony Mason
> >Consulting Partner
> >OSR Open Systems Resources, Inc.
> >http://www.osr.com
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> >[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Ihab Hamadeh
> >Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 8:14 PM
> >To: ntdev redirect
> >Subject: RE: [ntdev] ntifs.h functions descriptions
> >
> >Thanks Don for letting me know because I have no clue. What are the
> >latest
> >functions and how can i get the necessary documentation?
> >
> >Thanks.
> >IH
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> >>[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]On Behalf Of Don Burn
> >>Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 8:10 PM
> >>To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> >>Subject: Re:[ntdev] ntifs.h functions descriptions
> >>
> >>
> >>I assume from your query that this is the GNU ntifs.h? You should
> >realize
> >>this is a kludged file that does not reflect the current state of the
> >IFS,
> >>for instance ZwOpenThreadToken is obsolete. The author of this file is
> >a
> >>thief, and the file should not be used.
> >>
> >>
> >>–
> >>Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
> >>Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
> >>Remove StopSpam from the email to reply
> >>
> >>“Ihab Hamadeh” wrote in message
> >news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> >>> I am trying to find some documentations for some functions declared
> >in
> >>> ntifs.h such as ZwOpenThreadToken. I need that as soon as
> >>possible. I know
> >>> that Windows NT/2000 Native API Reference is one reference but it
> >will
> >>take
> >>> a while to get that book. Any suggestions or links?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> IH
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>—
> >>Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
> >>http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
> >>
> >>You are currently
> >>subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@cse.psu.edu
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> >
> >
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>
Don,
You make a statement that the author of that file is a thief. Can you please
explain this statement in a concrete and public way ? Im interested to know.
Thanks, Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: “Don Burn”
Newsgroups: ntdev
To: “Windows System Software Devs Interest List”
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 3:15 PM
Subject: Re:[ntdev] ntifs.h functions descriptions
> There is documentation for the replacement funtion in the Microsoft IFS
kit.
> This is why I guessed you were dealing with the GNU IFS. A lot of us
> hesitate to answer these questions on open forum since that is how the GNU
> ntifs.h was created, by throwiing together an old ntddk.h with data from
> various books and postings.
>
>
> –
> Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
> Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
> Remove StopSpam from the email to reply
>
>
> “Ihab Hamadeh” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> > Thanks Tony. I already forwarded your reply to my department’s tech
> support.
> > I hope I haven’t been misunderstood. After reading some parts of the DDK
> > help, I was reading an open source code and I found the function
> > ZwOpenThreadToken, ZwOpenProcessToken and wanted to learn about them. I
> > couldn’t find it in the Windows Server 2003 Driver Development Kit that
I
> > bought two months ago. So I checked Google and it returned ntifs.h and
the
> > Windows 2000 Native API book but no explanations of these functions.
> That’s
> > why I asked and I appreciate all your feedbacks.
> >
> > -IH
> >
> >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> > >[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]On Behalf Of Tony Mason
> > >Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 8:24 PM
> > >To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> > >Subject: RE: [ntdev] ntifs.h functions descriptions
> > >
> > >
> > >You should obtain it from Microsoft. They actually have a program for
> > >universities that allows them to obtain free copies of the IFS Kit.
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >
> > >Tony
> > >
> > >Tony Mason
> > >Consulting Partner
> > >OSR Open Systems Resources, Inc.
> > >http://www.osr.com
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> > >[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Ihab Hamadeh
> > >Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 8:14 PM
> > >To: ntdev redirect
> > >Subject: RE: [ntdev] ntifs.h functions descriptions
> > >
> > >Thanks Don for letting me know because I have no clue. What are the
> > >latest
> > >functions and how can i get the necessary documentation?
> > >
> > >Thanks.
> > >IH
> > >
> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >>From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> > >>[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]On Behalf Of Don Burn
> > >>Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 8:10 PM
> > >>To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> > >>Subject: Re:[ntdev] ntifs.h functions descriptions
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>I assume from your query that this is the GNU ntifs.h? You should
> > >realize
> > >>this is a kludged file that does not reflect the current state of the
> > >IFS,
> > >>for instance ZwOpenThreadToken is obsolete. The author of this file
is
> > >a
> > >>thief, and the file should not be used.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>–
> > >>Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
> > >>Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
> > >>Remove StopSpam from the email to reply
> > >>
> > >>“Ihab Hamadeh” wrote in message
> > >news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> > >>> I am trying to find some documentations for some functions declared
> > >in
> > >>> ntifs.h such as ZwOpenThreadToken. I need that as soon as
> > >>possible. I know
> > >>> that Windows NT/2000 Native API Reference is one reference but it
> > >will
> > >>take
> > >>> a while to get that book. Any suggestions or links?
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>> IH
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>—
> > >>Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
> > >>http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
> > >>
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> > >>subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@cse.psu.edu
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> > >
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The author is Bo Branten, the filedisk he offers on is site is stolen from
Jamey Kirby of StorageCraft. The only thing Bo did was remove Jamey’s name
and slap on a GPL. After I pointed out on a forum that the GNU ntifs.h was
crap compared to the real IFS kit, Bo solicted me to send him the ntifs.h
from Microsoft, even though he knew it was under NDA and copyrighted, so he
could improve the GNU version. Bottom line, the guy is a thief who should
be in jail, instead of a person supply code used by a number of open source
projects, which are essentially recieving stolen goods.
–
Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
Remove StopSpam from the email to reply
“Dan Partelly” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> Don,
>
> You make a statement that the author of that file is a thief. Can you
please
> explain this statement in a concrete and public way ? Im interested to
know.
>
> Thanks, Dan
>
Thanks .
Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: “Don Burn”
Newsgroups: ntdev
To: “Windows System Software Devs Interest List”
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 4:50 PM
Subject: Re:[ntdev] Re:ntifs.h functions descriptions
> The author is Bo Branten, the filedisk he offers on is site is stolen from
> Jamey Kirby of StorageCraft. The only thing Bo did was remove Jamey’s
name
> and slap on a GPL. After I pointed out on a forum that the GNU ntifs.h
was
> crap compared to the real IFS kit, Bo solicted me to send him the ntifs.h
> from Microsoft, even though he knew it was under NDA and copyrighted, so
he
> could improve the GNU version. Bottom line, the guy is a thief who should
> be in jail, instead of a person supply code used by a number of open
source
> projects, which are essentially recieving stolen goods.
>
>
> –
> Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
> Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
> Remove StopSpam from the email to reply
>
> “Dan Partelly” wrote in message
news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> > Don,
> >
> > You make a statement that the author of that file is a thief. Can you
> please
> > explain this statement in a concrete and public way ? Im interested to
> know.
> >
> > Thanks, Dan
> >
>
>
>
> —
> Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>
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Calm down. No one goes to jail for copyright infringement.
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Burn [mailto:xxxxx@acm.org]
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 6:51 AM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: Re:[ntdev] Re:ntifs.h functions descriptionsThe author is Bo Branten, the filedisk he offers on is site is stolen from
Jamey Kirby of StorageCraft. The only thing Bo did was remove Jamey’s
name
and slap on a GPL. After I pointed out on a forum that the GNU ntifs.h
was
crap compared to the real IFS kit, Bo solicted me to send him the ntifs.h
from Microsoft, even though he knew it was under NDA and copyrighted, so
he
could improve the GNU version. Bottom line, the guy is a thief who should
be in jail, instead of a person supply code used by a number of open
source
projects, which are essentially recieving stolen goods.–
Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
Remove StopSpam from the email to reply“Dan Partelly” wrote in message
> news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> > Don,
> >
> > You make a statement that the author of that file is a thief. Can you
> please
> > explain this statement in a concrete and public way ? Im interested to
> know.
> >
> > Thanks, Dan
> >
>
>
>
> —
> Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
> http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>
> You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@congruent.com
> To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
Actually, you can for theft of intellectual property. This is truly theft.
Those who defend it just as bad in my view.
–
Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
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“Arthur Kreitman” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> Calm down. No one goes to jail for copyright infringement.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Don Burn [mailto:xxxxx@acm.org]
> > Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 6:51 AM
> > To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> > Subject: Re:[ntdev] Re:ntifs.h functions descriptions
> >
> > The author is Bo Branten, the filedisk he offers on is site is stolen
from
> > Jamey Kirby of StorageCraft. The only thing Bo did was remove Jamey’s
> > name
> > and slap on a GPL. After I pointed out on a forum that the GNU ntifs.h
> > was
> > crap compared to the real IFS kit, Bo solicted me to send him the
ntifs.h
> > from Microsoft, even though he knew it was under NDA and copyrighted, so
> > he
> > could improve the GNU version. Bottom line, the guy is a thief who
should
> > be in jail, instead of a person supply code used by a number of open
> > source
> > projects, which are essentially recieving stolen goods.
> >
> >
> > –
> > Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
> > Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
> > Remove StopSpam from the email to reply
> >
> > “Dan Partelly” wrote in message
> > news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> > > Don,
> > >
> > > You make a statement that the author of that file is a thief. Can you
> > please
> > > explain this statement in a concrete and public way ? Im interested to
> > know.
> > >
> > > Thanks, Dan
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > —
> > Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
> > http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
> >
> > You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@congruent.com
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>
Oh is that so?
“Kerry Gonzalez of Hamilton, N.J., pleaded guilty to felony copyright
infringement charges…and faces up to three years in prison and
$250,000 in fines” (http://news.com.com/2100-1026_3-1021005.html)
“Jeffrey Alan Stockton was sentenced…to serve 12 months and one day in
prison based upon his conviction for criminal copyright infringement. He
was also ordered to pay $101,178.00 in restitution to the victim of his
crime, Adobe Systems Inc.” (http://www.cybercrime.gov/StocktonSent.htm)
“On 19th December 1996 a court in Hamburg handed down an eight month
suspended prison sentence to 36 year old Ralf B., a computer software
reseller…” (http://www.novell.com/programs/piracy/hamburg.html)
Need more? Google it yourself.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: “Arthur Kreitman”
To: “Windows System Software Devs Interest List”
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 10:24 PM
Subject: RE: [ntdev] Re:ntifs.h functions descriptions
> Calm down. No one goes to jail for copyright infringement.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Don Burn [mailto:xxxxx@acm.org]
>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 6:51 AM
>> To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
>> Subject: Re:[ntdev] Re:ntifs.h functions descriptions
>>
>> The author is Bo Branten, the filedisk he offers on is site is stolen
>> from
>> Jamey Kirby of StorageCraft. The only thing Bo did was remove
>> Jamey’s
>> name
>> and slap on a GPL. After I pointed out on a forum that the GNU
>> ntifs.h
>> was
>> crap compared to the real IFS kit, Bo solicted me to send him the
>> ntifs.h
>> from Microsoft, even though he knew it was under NDA and copyrighted,
>> so
>> he
>> could improve the GNU version. Bottom line, the guy is a thief who
>> should
>> be in jail, instead of a person supply code used by a number of open
>> source
>> projects, which are essentially recieving stolen goods.
>>
>>
>> –
>> Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
>> Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
>> Remove StopSpam from the email to reply
>>
>> “Dan Partelly” wrote in message
>> news:xxxxx@ntdev…
>> > Don,
>> >
>> > You make a statement that the author of that file is a thief. Can
>> > you
>> please
>> > explain this statement in a concrete and public way ? Im interested
>> > to
>> know.
>> >
>> > Thanks, Dan
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> —
>> Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
>> http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>>
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That’s selling the materials. He’s giving it away.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Batson [mailto:xxxxx@cbatson.com]
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 8:14 AM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: Re: [ntdev] Re:ntifs.h functions descriptionsOh is that so?
“Kerry Gonzalez of Hamilton, N.J., pleaded guilty to felony copyright
infringement charges…and faces up to three years in prison and
$250,000 in fines” (http://news.com.com/2100-1026_3-1021005.html)“Jeffrey Alan Stockton was sentenced…to serve 12 months and one day in
prison based upon his conviction for criminal copyright infringement. He
was also ordered to pay $101,178.00 in restitution to the victim of his
crime, Adobe Systems Inc.” (http://www.cybercrime.gov/StocktonSent.htm)“On 19th December 1996 a court in Hamburg handed down an eight month
suspended prison sentence to 36 year old Ralf B., a computer software
reseller…” (http://www.novell.com/programs/piracy/hamburg.html)Need more? Google it yourself.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: “Arthur Kreitman”
> To: “Windows System Software Devs Interest List”
> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 10:24 PM
> Subject: RE: [ntdev] Re:ntifs.h functions descriptions
>
>
> > Calm down. No one goes to jail for copyright infringement.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Don Burn [mailto:xxxxx@acm.org]
> >> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 6:51 AM
> >> To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> >> Subject: Re:[ntdev] Re:ntifs.h functions descriptions
> >>
> >> The author is Bo Branten, the filedisk he offers on is site is stolen
> >> from
> >> Jamey Kirby of StorageCraft. The only thing Bo did was remove
> >> Jamey’s
> >> name
> >> and slap on a GPL. After I pointed out on a forum that the GNU
> >> ntifs.h
> >> was
> >> crap compared to the real IFS kit, Bo solicted me to send him the
> >> ntifs.h
> >> from Microsoft, even though he knew it was under NDA and copyrighted,
> >> so
> >> he
> >> could improve the GNU version. Bottom line, the guy is a thief who
> >> should
> >> be in jail, instead of a person supply code used by a number of open
> >> source
> >> projects, which are essentially recieving stolen goods.
> >>
> >>
> >> –
> >> Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
> >> Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
> >> Remove StopSpam from the email to reply
> >>
> >> “Dan Partelly” wrote in message
> >> news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> >> > Don,
> >> >
> >> > You make a statement that the author of that file is a thief. Can
> >> > you
> >> please
> >> > explain this statement in a concrete and public way ? Im interested
> >> > to
> >> know.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks, Dan
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> —
> >> Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
> >> http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
> >>
> >> You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@congruent.com
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> >
> > —
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> > http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
> >
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> >
>
>
> —
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>
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Then you won’t object if I steal your car and give it away to someone
else.
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: “Arthur Kreitman”
To: “Windows System Software Devs Interest List”
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 11:31 PM
Subject: RE: [ntdev] Re:ntifs.h functions descriptions
> That’s selling the materials. He’s giving it away.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chuck Batson [mailto:xxxxx@cbatson.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 8:14 AM
>> To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
>> Subject: Re: [ntdev] Re:ntifs.h functions descriptions
>>
>> Oh is that so?
>>
>> “Kerry Gonzalez of Hamilton, N.J., pleaded guilty to felony copyright
>> infringement charges…and faces up to three years in prison and
>> $250,000 in fines” (http://news.com.com/2100-1026_3-1021005.html)
>>
>> “Jeffrey Alan Stockton was sentenced…to serve 12 months and one day
>> in
>> prison based upon his conviction for criminal copyright infringement.
>> He
>> was also ordered to pay $101,178.00 in restitution to the victim of
>> his
>> crime, Adobe Systems Inc.”
>> (http://www.cybercrime.gov/StocktonSent.htm)
>>
>> “On 19th December 1996 a court in Hamburg handed down an eight month
>> suspended prison sentence to 36 year old Ralf B., a computer software
>> reseller…” (http://www.novell.com/programs/piracy/hamburg.html)
>>
>> Need more? Google it yourself.
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: “Arthur Kreitman”
>> To: “Windows System Software Devs Interest List”
>>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 10:24 PM
>> Subject: RE: [ntdev] Re:ntifs.h functions descriptions
>>
>>
>> > Calm down. No one goes to jail for copyright infringement.
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Don Burn [mailto:xxxxx@acm.org]
>> >> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 6:51 AM
>> >> To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
>> >> Subject: Re:[ntdev] Re:ntifs.h functions descriptions
>> >>
>> >> The author is Bo Branten, the filedisk he offers on is site is
>> >> stolen
>> >> from
>> >> Jamey Kirby of StorageCraft. The only thing Bo did was remove
>> >> Jamey’s
>> >> name
>> >> and slap on a GPL. After I pointed out on a forum that the GNU
>> >> ntifs.h
>> >> was
>> >> crap compared to the real IFS kit, Bo solicted me to send him the
>> >> ntifs.h
>> >> from Microsoft, even though he knew it was under NDA and
>> >> copyrighted,
>> >> so
>> >> he
>> >> could improve the GNU version. Bottom line, the guy is a thief
>> >> who
>> >> should
>> >> be in jail, instead of a person supply code used by a number of
>> >> open
>> >> source
>> >> projects, which are essentially recieving stolen goods.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> –
>> >> Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
>> >> Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
>> >> Remove StopSpam from the email to reply
>> >>
>> >> “Dan Partelly” wrote in message
>> >> news:xxxxx@ntdev…
>> >> > Don,
>> >> >
>> >> > You make a statement that the author of that file is a thief.
>> >> > Can
>> >> > you
>> >> please
>> >> > explain this statement in a concrete and public way ? Im
>> >> > interested
>> >> > to
>> >> know.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks, Dan
There’s very serious analysis of how the current concepts and implementation
of copyrights is seriously broken. I’d recommend you read Lawrence Lessing
and Siva Vaidhyanathan. You might find your opinions seriously challenged.
I’m not one of those wild open software promoters, in fact my work has
included making the licensing terms of one of the most aggressive promoters
of proprietary software more onerous.
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Burn [mailto:xxxxx@acm.org]
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 7:39 AM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: Re:[ntdev] Re:ntifs.h functions descriptionsActually, you can for theft of intellectual property. This is truly
theft.
Those who defend it just as bad in my view.–
Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
Remove StopSpam from the email to reply“Arthur Kreitman” wrote in message
> news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> > Calm down. No one goes to jail for copyright infringement.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Don Burn [mailto:xxxxx@acm.org]
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 6:51 AM
> > > To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> > > Subject: Re:[ntdev] Re:ntifs.h functions descriptions
> > >
> > > The author is Bo Branten, the filedisk he offers on is site is stolen
> from
> > > Jamey Kirby of StorageCraft. The only thing Bo did was remove Jamey’s
> > > name
> > > and slap on a GPL. After I pointed out on a forum that the GNU
> ntifs.h
> > > was
> > > crap compared to the real IFS kit, Bo solicted me to send him the
> ntifs.h
> > > from Microsoft, even though he knew it was under NDA and copyrighted,
> so
> > > he
> > > could improve the GNU version. Bottom line, the guy is a thief who
> should
> > > be in jail, instead of a person supply code used by a number of open
> > > source
> > > projects, which are essentially recieving stolen goods.
> > >
> > >
> > > –
> > > Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
> > > Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
> > > Remove StopSpam from the email to reply
> > >
> > > “Dan Partelly” wrote in message
> > > news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> > > > Don,
> > > >
> > > > You make a statement that the author of that file is a thief. Can
> you
> > > please
> > > > explain this statement in a concrete and public way ? Im interested
> to
> > > know.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, Dan
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > —
> > > Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
> > > http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
> > >
> > > You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@congruent.com
> > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> >
>
>
>
> —
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> http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>
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This debate is not appropriate to this forum - this is a technical
forum, not a political policy discussion forum. Please refrain from
further posting.
Regards,
Tony
“In his role as permanent private assistant secretary to the OSR list
slave”
Would it not maybe be a good idea for OSR to open up a new group where we
could feel more free to touch the more sensitive subjects such as the
legitimacy of modifying the service descriptor table and these ?
Regards,
Daniel Terhell
Resplendence Software Projects Sp
xxxxx@resplendence.com
http://www.resplendence.com
“Tony Mason” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
This debate is not appropriate to this forum - this is a technical
forum, not a political policy discussion forum. Please refrain from
further posting.
Regards,
Tony
“In his role as permanent private assistant secretary to the OSR list
slave”
I won’t argue about the “thief” accusation.
I just wanted to remind that by using the DT command, you can get many
structures definitions without signing an NDA.
For the exported function names, Depends do the job quite well. 
Only remains the arguments to be known for a poor guy.
M-A
“Don Burn” a écrit dans le message de news: xxxxx@ntdev…
> The author is Bo Branten, the filedisk he offers on is site is stolen from
> Jamey Kirby of StorageCraft. The only thing Bo did was remove Jamey’s
> name
> and slap on a GPL. After I pointed out on a forum that the GNU ntifs.h
> was
> crap compared to the real IFS kit, Bo solicted me to send him the ntifs.h
> from Microsoft, even though he knew it was under NDA and copyrighted, so
> he
> could improve the GNU version. Bottom line, the guy is a thief who should
> be in jail, instead of a person supply code used by a number of open
> source
> projects, which are essentially recieving stolen goods.
>
>
> –
> Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
> Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
> Remove StopSpam from the email to reply
>
> “Dan Partelly” wrote in message
> news:xxxxx@ntdev…
>> Don,
>>
>> You make a statement that the author of that file is a thief. Can
>> you please explain this statement in a concrete and public way ? Im
>> interested to know.
>>
>> Thanks, Dan
While I won’t argue about this specific case since I don’t know the
details, it has been well established in copyright law that interfaces
needed for interoperability can’t be copyrighted (or, rather, aren’t
protected by copyright, if you want to make a semantic quibble).
Patented, perhaps, copyrighted, no.
Of course, requesting that someone violate an NDA *is* pretty nasty.
Don Burn wrote:
Actually, you can for theft of intellectual property. This is truly theft.
Those who defend it just as bad in my view.
–
…/ray..
Please remove “.spamblock” from my email address if you need to contact
me outside the newsgroup.