This is not a technical question but it has implications on technical work I’ve been doing on a file systems filter driver. I was hoping to get feedback regarding the lawsuit filed by LEGATO against NSI. Does LEGATO have a case? Will this mean no one can write a commercial file systems filter driver that replicates?
http: http://www.cnet.com/investor/news/newsitem/0-9900-1028-21214480-0.html</http:>
As Linus has said (and as per the advice I’ve been given many times), as
software engineers the best thing we can do in regards to software
patents is not to research them. There are so many software patents out
there virtually anything you do can be construed to infringe on
something. If you willingly infringe, damages are treble, so therefore
it’s in your best interest not to even know about these patents.
Mike Wick wrote:
This is not a technical question but it has implications on technical
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get feedback regarding the lawsuit filed by LEGATO against NSI. Does
LEGATO have a case? Will this mean no one can write a commercial file
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> This is not a technical question but it has implications on technical work
I’ve been doing on a file systems filter
> driver. I was hoping to get feedback regarding the lawsuit filed by
LEGATO against NSI. Does LEGATO
> have a case? Will this mean no one can write a commercial file systems
filter driver that replicates?
>
Interesting issue… Thanks for pointing to this item.
Just a friendly word of caution: People on this list probably need to be
cautious about any statements they make on this topic. If you’re on this
list you’re probably considered a “subject matter expert” and thus can be
held accountable for your publically stated opinions. People HAVE been
successfully sued in the states for forum postings that give disparaging
opinions (as in “that is soooo stupid!”) in areas where they are considered
subject matter experts.
Caveat wiseasses,
Peter
OSR
What patent?
It makes me sick! If you can’t beat them, sue them; the new motto for
sinking companies. They should all be hung by their short hairs and left
to rot on the pole.
Jamey
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[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Nick Ryan
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 9:48 AM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
As Linus has said (and as per the advice I’ve been given many times), as
software engineers the best thing we can do in regards to software
patents is not to research them. There are so many software patents out
there virtually anything you do can be construed to infringe on
something. If you willingly infringe, damages are treble, so therefore
it’s in your best interest not to even know about these patents.
Mike Wick wrote:
This is not a technical question but it has implications on technical
work I’ve been doing on a file systems filter driver. I was hoping to
get feedback regarding the lawsuit filed by LEGATO against NSI. Does
LEGATO have a case? Will this mean no one can write a commercial file
systems filter driver that replicates?
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Ooops 
Oh well, come and get me!
Jamey
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[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Peter Viscarola
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 10:09 AM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
“Mike Wick” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntfsd…
> This is not a technical question but it has implications on technical
work
I’ve been doing on a file systems filter
> driver. I was hoping to get feedback regarding the lawsuit filed by
LEGATO against NSI. Does LEGATO
> have a case? Will this mean no one can write a commercial file
systems
filter driver that replicates?
>
Interesting issue… Thanks for pointing to this item.
Just a friendly word of caution: People on this list probably need to be
cautious about any statements they make on this topic. If you’re on
this
list you’re probably considered a “subject matter expert” and thus can
be
held accountable for your publically stated opinions. People HAVE been
successfully sued in the states for forum postings that give disparaging
opinions (as in “that is soooo stupid!”) in areas where they are
considered
subject matter experts.
Caveat wiseasses,
Peter
OSR
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I don’t think that you are an SME on the general subject of software
patents, so tou have nothing to worry about
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Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 3:10 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
Ooops
Oh well, come and get me!
Jamey
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[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Peter Viscarola
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 10:09 AM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
“Mike Wick” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntfsd…
> This is not a technical question but it has implications on technical
work
I’ve been doing on a file systems filter
> driver. I was hoping to get feedback regarding the lawsuit filed by
LEGATO against NSI. Does LEGATO
> have a case? Will this mean no one can write a commercial file
systems
filter driver that replicates?
>
Interesting issue… Thanks for pointing to this item.
Just a friendly word of caution: People on this list probably need to be
cautious about any statements they make on this topic. If you’re on
this list you’re probably considered a “subject matter expert” and thus
can be
held accountable for your publically stated opinions. People HAVE been
successfully sued in the states for forum postings that give disparaging
opinions (as in “that is soooo stupid!”) in areas where they are
considered subject matter experts.
Caveat wiseasses,
Peter
OSR
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I am not much of an expert on anything
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Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 12:23 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
I don’t think that you are an SME on the general subject of software
patents, so tou have nothing to worry about
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From: Jamey Kirby [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 3:10 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
Ooops
Oh well, come and get me!
Jamey
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[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Peter Viscarola
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 10:09 AM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
“Mike Wick” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntfsd…
> This is not a technical question but it has implications on technical
work
I’ve been doing on a file systems filter
> driver. I was hoping to get feedback regarding the lawsuit filed by
LEGATO against NSI. Does LEGATO
> have a case? Will this mean no one can write a commercial file
systems
filter driver that replicates?
>
Interesting issue… Thanks for pointing to this item.
Just a friendly word of caution: People on this list probably need to be
cautious about any statements they make on this topic. If you’re on
this list you’re probably considered a “subject matter expert” and thus
can be
held accountable for your publically stated opinions. People HAVE been
successfully sued in the states for forum postings that give disparaging
opinions (as in “that is soooo stupid!”) in areas where they are
considered subject matter experts.
Caveat wiseasses,
Peter
OSR
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That is why shysters get $400 to $1000 per hour. Even with that, it is
probably cheaper to pay one of them to answer your questions before you
spend tens of thousands of dollars in development costs. Even if it is only
a one person development, you will loose any income that could have been
gained pursuing something that can be sold or a contract that pays.
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“Mike Wick” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntfsd…
> This is not a technical question but it has implications on technical
> work I’ve been doing on a file systems filter driver. I was hoping to
> get feedback regarding the lawsuit filed by LEGATO against NSI.
> Does LEGATO have a case? Will this mean no one can write a
> commercial file systems filter driver that replicates?
http://www.cnet.com/investor/news/newsitem/0-9900-1028-21214480-0.html
The boycott to make change has to start somewhere. It is not going to be
with the lawyers.
Jamey
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[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of David J. Craig
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 1:29 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
That is why shysters get $400 to $1000 per hour. Even with that, it is
probably cheaper to pay one of them to answer your questions before you
spend tens of thousands of dollars in development costs. Even if it is
only
a one person development, you will loose any income that could have been
gained pursuing something that can be sold or a contract that pays.
P.S. Can the html.
“Mike Wick” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntfsd…
> This is not a technical question but it has implications on technical
> work I’ve been doing on a file systems filter driver. I was hoping to
> get feedback regarding the lawsuit filed by LEGATO against NSI.
> Does LEGATO have a case? Will this mean no one can write a
> commercial file systems filter driver that replicates?
http://www.cnet.com/investor/news/newsitem/0-9900-1028-21214480-0.html
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You guys have it backwards. What you want to do is come up with something
original, patent it, and hope some big rich company infringes on you.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jamey Kirby [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 4:39 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
The boycott to make change has to start somewhere. It is not going to be
with the lawyers.
Jamey
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[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of David J. Craig
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 1:29 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
That is why shysters get $400 to $1000 per hour. Even with that, it is
probably cheaper to pay one of them to answer your questions before you
spend tens of thousands of dollars in development costs. Even if it is only
a one person development, you will loose any income that could have been
gained pursuing something that can be sold or a contract that pays.
P.S. Can the html.
“Mike Wick” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntfsd…
> This is not a technical question but it has implications on technical
> work I’ve been doing on a file systems filter driver. I was hoping to
> get feedback regarding the lawsuit filed by LEGATO against NSI. Does
> LEGATO have a case? Will this mean no one can write a commercial file
> systems filter driver that replicates?
http://www.cnet.com/investor/news/newsitem/0-9900-1028-21214480-0.html
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And 20 or 30 grand extra lying around.
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[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Kreitman
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 2:10 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
You guys have it backwards. What you want to do is come up with
something
original, patent it, and hope some big rich company infringes on you.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jamey Kirby [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 4:39 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
The boycott to make change has to start somewhere. It is not going to be
with the lawyers.
Jamey
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[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of David J. Craig
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 1:29 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
That is why shysters get $400 to $1000 per hour. Even with that, it is
probably cheaper to pay one of them to answer your questions before you
spend tens of thousands of dollars in development costs. Even if it is
only
a one person development, you will loose any income that could have been
gained pursuing something that can be sold or a contract that pays.
P.S. Can the html.
“Mike Wick” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntfsd…
> This is not a technical question but it has implications on technical
> work I’ve been doing on a file systems filter driver. I was hoping to
> get feedback regarding the lawsuit filed by LEGATO against NSI. Does
> LEGATO have a case? Will this mean no one can write a commercial file
> systems filter driver that replicates?
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Patents are date of discovery. What does a notebook and a trip down to your
local notary to get the pages stamped with the date cost?
-----Original Message-----
From: Jamey Kirby [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 5:38 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
And 20 or 30 grand extra lying around.
-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Kreitman
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 2:10 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
You guys have it backwards. What you want to do is come up with something
original, patent it, and hope some big rich company infringes on you.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jamey Kirby [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 4:39 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
The boycott to make change has to start somewhere. It is not going to be
with the lawyers.
Jamey
-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of David J. Craig
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 1:29 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
That is why shysters get $400 to $1000 per hour. Even with that, it is
probably cheaper to pay one of them to answer your questions before you
spend tens of thousands of dollars in development costs. Even if it is only
a one person development, you will loose any income that could have been
gained pursuing something that can be sold or a contract that pays.
P.S. Can the html.
“Mike Wick” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntfsd…
> This is not a technical question but it has implications on technical
> work I’ve been doing on a file systems filter driver. I was hoping to
> get feedback regarding the lawsuit filed by LEGATO against NSI. Does
> LEGATO have a case? Will this mean no one can write a commercial file
> systems filter driver that replicates?
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What planet are you from?
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[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Kreitman
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 3:06 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
Patents are date of discovery. What does a notebook and a trip down to
your
local notary to get the pages stamped with the date cost?
-----Original Message-----
From: Jamey Kirby [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 5:38 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
And 20 or 30 grand extra lying around.
-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Kreitman
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 2:10 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
You guys have it backwards. What you want to do is come up with
something
original, patent it, and hope some big rich company infringes on you.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jamey Kirby [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 4:39 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
The boycott to make change has to start somewhere. It is not going to be
with the lawyers.
Jamey
-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of David J. Craig
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 1:29 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
That is why shysters get $400 to $1000 per hour. Even with that, it is
probably cheaper to pay one of them to answer your questions before you
spend tens of thousands of dollars in development costs. Even if it is
only
a one person development, you will loose any income that could have been
gained pursuing something that can be sold or a contract that pays.
P.S. Can the html.
“Mike Wick” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntfsd…
> This is not a technical question but it has implications on technical
> work I’ve been doing on a file systems filter driver. I was hoping to
> get feedback regarding the lawsuit filed by LEGATO against NSI. Does
> LEGATO have a case? Will this mean no one can write a commercial file
> systems filter driver that replicates?
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This only protects you if someone else tries to patent the idea; you can
prove prior art, but that is worthless. It does not give you any rights
of a patent holder.
Jamey
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[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Kreitman
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 3:06 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
Patents are date of discovery. What does a notebook and a trip down to
your
local notary to get the pages stamped with the date cost?
-----Original Message-----
From: Jamey Kirby [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 5:38 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
And 20 or 30 grand extra lying around.
-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Kreitman
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 2:10 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
You guys have it backwards. What you want to do is come up with
something
original, patent it, and hope some big rich company infringes on you.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jamey Kirby [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 4:39 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
The boycott to make change has to start somewhere. It is not going to be
with the lawyers.
Jamey
-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of David J. Craig
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 1:29 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
That is why shysters get $400 to $1000 per hour. Even with that, it is
probably cheaper to pay one of them to answer your questions before you
spend tens of thousands of dollars in development costs. Even if it is
only
a one person development, you will loose any income that could have been
gained pursuing something that can be sold or a contract that pays.
P.S. Can the html.
“Mike Wick” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntfsd…
> This is not a technical question but it has implications on technical
> work I’ve been doing on a file systems filter driver. I was hoping to
> get feedback regarding the lawsuit filed by LEGATO against NSI. Does
> LEGATO have a case? Will this mean no one can write a commercial file
> systems filter driver that replicates?
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Remember in patent disputes the only winners are the shysters - both
sides. Even in bankruptcy, the shyster judges always protect other
shysters first. Shareholders, debtors, etc. last if the shysters
couldn’t get their hands on everything. I think that judges should not
be shysters - too much of a conflict of interest in civil cases. If it
didn’t pay so well, you wouldn’t have all the TV commercials trying to
get clients for them.
----- Original Message -----
From: “Jamey Kirby”
To: “File Systems Developers”
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 5:38 PM
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
> And 20 or 30 grand extra lying around.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Kreitman
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 2:10 PM
> To: File Systems Developers
> Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
>
> You guys have it backwards. What you want to do is come up with
> something
> original, patent it, and hope some big rich company infringes on you.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jamey Kirby [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 4:39 PM
> To: File Systems Developers
> Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
>
>
> The boycott to make change has to start somewhere. It is not going to
be
> with the lawyers.
>
> Jamey
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of David J. Craig
> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 1:29 PM
> To: File Systems Developers
> Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
>
> That is why shysters get $400 to $1000 per hour. Even with that, it
is
> probably cheaper to pay one of them to answer your questions before
you
> spend tens of thousands of dollars in development costs. Even if it
is
> only
> a one person development, you will loose any income that could have
been
> gained pursuing something that can be sold or a contract that pays.
>
> P.S. Can the html.
>
> > “Mike Wick” wrote in message
news:xxxxx@ntfsd…
>
> > This is not a technical question but it has implications on
technical
> > work I’ve been doing on a file systems filter driver. I was hoping
to
>
> > get feedback regarding the lawsuit filed by LEGATO against NSI. Does
> > LEGATO have a case? Will this mean no one can write a commercial
file
>
> > systems filter driver that replicates?
>
> http://www.cnet.com/investor/news/newsitem/0-9900-1028-21214480-0.html
>
>
>
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The Legato patent is dated June 1995. Does anybody know of any prior art with regards to file systems filter drivers that replicate blocks, irrespective of operating system (since the patent doesn’t specify it)?
-Mike
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From: Jamey Kirby [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 3:17 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
This only protects you if someone else tries to patent the idea; you can
prove prior art, but that is worthless. It does not give you any rights
of a patent holder.
Jamey
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[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Kreitman
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 3:06 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
Patents are date of discovery. What does a notebook and a trip down to
your
local notary to get the pages stamped with the date cost?
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From: Jamey Kirby [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 5:38 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
And 20 or 30 grand extra lying around.
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From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Kreitman
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 2:10 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
You guys have it backwards. What you want to do is come up with
something
original, patent it, and hope some big rich company infringes on you.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jamey Kirby [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 4:39 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
The boycott to make change has to start somewhere. It is not going to be
with the lawyers.
Jamey
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[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of David J. Craig
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 1:29 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
That is why shysters get $400 to $1000 per hour. Even with that, it is
probably cheaper to pay one of them to answer your questions before you
spend tens of thousands of dollars in development costs. Even if it is
only
a one person development, you will loose any income that could have been
gained pursuing something that can be sold or a contract that pays.
P.S. Can the html.
“Mike Wick” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntfsd…
> This is not a technical question but it has implications on technical
> work I’ve been doing on a file systems filter driver. I was hoping to
> get feedback regarding the lawsuit filed by LEGATO against NSI. Does
> LEGATO have a case? Will this mean no one can write a commercial file
> systems filter driver that replicates?
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I would bet that DEC has patents in that area for work they developed for
VaxClusters
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From: Mike Wick [mailto:xxxxx@spursuits.com]
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 6:54 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
The Legato patent is dated June 1995. Does anybody know of any prior art
with regards to file systems filter drivers that replicate blocks,
irrespective of operating system (since the patent doesn’t specify it)?
-Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Jamey Kirby [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 3:17 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
This only protects you if someone else tries to patent the idea; you can
prove prior art, but that is worthless. It does not give you any rights of a
patent holder.
Jamey
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[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Kreitman
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 3:06 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
Patents are date of discovery. What does a notebook and a trip down to your
local notary to get the pages stamped with the date cost?
-----Original Message-----
From: Jamey Kirby [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 5:38 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
And 20 or 30 grand extra lying around.
-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Kreitman
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 2:10 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
You guys have it backwards. What you want to do is come up with something
original, patent it, and hope some big rich company infringes on you.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jamey Kirby [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 4:39 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
The boycott to make change has to start somewhere. It is not going to be
with the lawyers.
Jamey
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From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of David J. Craig
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 1:29 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
That is why shysters get $400 to $1000 per hour. Even with that, it is
probably cheaper to pay one of them to answer your questions before you
spend tens of thousands of dollars in development costs. Even if it is only
a one person development, you will loose any income that could have been
gained pursuing something that can be sold or a contract that pays.
P.S. Can the html.
“Mike Wick” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntfsd…
> This is not a technical question but it has implications on technical
> work I’ve been doing on a file systems filter driver. I was hoping to
> get feedback regarding the lawsuit filed by LEGATO against NSI. Does
> LEGATO have a case? Will this mean no one can write a commercial file
> systems filter driver that replicates?
http://www.cnet.com/investor/news/newsitem/0-9900-1028-21214480-0.html
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Jeez guys… I would like to restate that it’s in our best interests not
to research this issue at all and especially not to post the results of
any such research conducted. If somebody finds some patent from long ago
relating to the work of some subset of the readers on this list, and
posts information about it, then all list readers who are a member of
this subset become willful infringers. At least that’s how I understand
the situation.
Mike Wick wrote:
The Legato patent is dated June 1995. Does anybody know of any prior art with regards to file systems filter drivers that replicate blocks, irrespective of operating system (since the patent doesn’t specify it)?
-Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Jamey Kirby [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 3:17 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSIThis only protects you if someone else tries to patent the idea; you can
prove prior art, but that is worthless. It does not give you any rights
of a patent holder.Jamey
-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Kreitman
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 3:06 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSIPatents are date of discovery. What does a notebook and a trip down to
your
local notary to get the pages stamped with the date cost?-----Original Message-----
From: Jamey Kirby [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 5:38 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSIAnd 20 or 30 grand extra lying around.
-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Kreitman
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 2:10 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSIYou guys have it backwards. What you want to do is come up with
something
original, patent it, and hope some big rich company infringes on you.-----Original Message-----
From: Jamey Kirby [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 4:39 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSIThe boycott to make change has to start somewhere. It is not going to be
with the lawyers.Jamey
-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of David J. Craig
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 1:29 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSIThat is why shysters get $400 to $1000 per hour. Even with that, it is
probably cheaper to pay one of them to answer your questions before you
spend tens of thousands of dollars in development costs. Even if it is
only
a one person development, you will loose any income that could have been
gained pursuing something that can be sold or a contract that pays.P.S. Can the html.
>“Mike Wick” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntfsd…
>
>
>>This is not a technical question but it has implications on technical
>>work I’ve been doing on a file systems filter driver. I was hoping to
>
>
>>get feedback regarding the lawsuit filed by LEGATO against NSI. Does
>>LEGATO have a case? Will this mean no one can write a commercial file
>
>
>>systems filter driver that replicates?
>
>
> http://www.cnet.com/investor/news/newsitem/0-9900-1028-21214480-0.html
>
>
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Looks like Peter needs to get a $1,000 per hour attorney to vet and
moderate the list Where will it stop; please, I want to get off!
Jamey
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[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Nick Ryan
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 5:02 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSI
Jeez guys… I would like to restate that it’s in our best interests not
to research this issue at all and especially not to post the results of
any such research conducted. If somebody finds some patent from long ago
relating to the work of some subset of the readers on this list, and
posts information about it, then all list readers who are a member of
this subset become willful infringers. At least that’s how I understand
the situation.
Mike Wick wrote:
The Legato patent is dated June 1995. Does anybody know of any prior
art with regards to file systems filter drivers that replicate blocks,
irrespective of operating system (since the patent doesn’t specify it)?-Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Jamey Kirby [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 3:17 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSIThis only protects you if someone else tries to patent the idea; you
can
prove prior art, but that is worthless. It does not give you any
rights
of a patent holder.Jamey
-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Kreitman
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 3:06 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSIPatents are date of discovery. What does a notebook and a trip down
to
your
local notary to get the pages stamped with the date cost?-----Original Message-----
From: Jamey Kirby [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 5:38 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSIAnd 20 or 30 grand extra lying around.
-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Kreitman
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 2:10 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSIYou guys have it backwards. What you want to do is come up with
something
original, patent it, and hope some big rich company infringes on you.-----Original Message-----
From: Jamey Kirby [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 4:39 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSIThe boycott to make change has to start somewhere. It is not going to
be
with the lawyers.Jamey
-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of David J. Craig
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 1:29 PM
To: File Systems Developers
Subject: [ntfsd] Re: LEGATO v. NSIThat is why shysters get $400 to $1000 per hour. Even with that, it
is
probably cheaper to pay one of them to answer your questions before
you
spend tens of thousands of dollars in development costs. Even if it
is
only
a one person development, you will loose any income that could have
been
gained pursuing something that can be sold or a contract that pays.P.S. Can the html.
>“Mike Wick” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntfsd…
>
>
>>This is not a technical question but it has implications on technical
>>work I’ve been doing on a file systems filter driver. I was hoping to
>
>
>>get feedback regarding the lawsuit filed by LEGATO against NSI. Does
>>LEGATO have a case? Will this mean no one can write a commercial file
>
>
>>systems filter driver that replicates?
>
>
> http://www.cnet.com/investor/news/newsitem/0-9900-1028-21214480-0.html
>
>
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“Arthur Kreitman” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntfsd…
>
> I would bet that DEC has patents in that area for work they developed for
> VaxClusters
>
>
Well, when I worked on them, VAXClusters didn’t do replication. They used
shared storage for the most part. Although I suppose they did do some kind
of proxy I/O for nodes that weren’t connected to the shared storage.
Carl