Hi, Michal,
You know, if all you have to do is to debug the hardware, then
your debugger’s going to be simple, compact, easy to handle and
rather fast. It’s when you have to bother with the vagaries of
the OS that debugging begins to become a hairy problem. SoftICE,
for example, was born as a hardware level debugger, and it still
keeps that flavor: you will notice that many of its original
commands were designed to be compatible with that mother of all
x86 debuggers, that is, debug.exe.
Alberto.
----- Original Message -----
From: “Michal Vodicka”
To: “Windows System Software Devs Interest List”
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 2:14 PM
Subject: RE: [ntdev] Dual Opteron motherboard?
Alberto,
sure but even there WinDbg works better 
Sorry, I don’t want
to discuss it here as I expressed my dissatisfaction with VSI UI
several times during beta testing and finally gave up. I believe
it has satisfied users, my needs are just different. And anyway,
the main reason why I prefer SI is one computer debugging.
BTW, I have to use embedded debuggers sometimes and comparing
with them both VSI and WinDbg are great, easy to use and rock
stable
Best regards,
Michal Vodicka
UPEK, Inc.
[xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
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> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 2:43 PM
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> Subject: Re: [ntdev] Dual Opteron motherboard?
>
> Michal,
>
> You can always stick to the Visual SoftICE command window. The
> only thing is, it won’t show up in your monochrome monitor
> ;-).
> But, you know, once you get the hang of it, the interface’s
> not
> that bad; it’s like classical music, it grows on you the more
> you use it.
>
> Plus, if you already have DriverStudio, target installations
> are
> free!
>
> Alberto.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: “Michal Vodicka”
> To: “Windows System Software Devs Interest List”
>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 12:55 AM
> Subject: RE: [ntdev] Dual Opteron motherboard?
>
>
> Calvin,
>
> good to know ATI has 64-bit drivers. We plan to use X600 Pro.
> I
> understand switching wasn’t easy in early phase. Fortunately,
> our customers didn’t care too much so we could wait until
> other
> 64-bit drivers are available 
Yes, still it is necessary to
> check before.
>
> As for SoftICE, I meant using 32-bit “classic” version on
> 32-bit
> OS installed at dual Opteron. Theroretically it should work
> but
> better to ask, I’ll try Compuware. I don’t plan using 64-bit
> Visual SoftICE as user interface is horrible for me, even
> WindBag is better
>
> Best regards,
>
> Michal Vodicka
> UPEK, Inc.
> [xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
>
>
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> > From:
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> > on behalf of Calvin Guan[SMTP:xxxxx@yahoo.ca]
> > Reply To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 6:03 AM
> > To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> > Subject: Re: [ntdev] Dual Opteron motherboard?
> >
> > Michal,
> >
> > SoftICE didn’t support any 64bit system until late
> > 2003 IIRC. We started developing 64-bit Radeon video
> > driver way before 64-bit S-ICE’s release, therefore, a
> > lot of S-ICE lovers had to switch to WindBag-:). Also
> > the driver support for amd64 and Itanium was awful.
> > Neither the onboard gigabit NIC has a 64-bit driver
> > nor did all other popular 10/100 nics. I had to build
> > my own 64-bit ndis driver to get my 3com905 online-
> > That’s the story of victim of early 64-bit developers
> > a couple of years ago.
> >
> > Driver support is much better now, but still, as
> > Peter suggested, you’d better double check the
> > critical device such as video, network… I know all
> > recent ATi Radeon family adapters have decent 64-bit
> > drivers for amd and Itanium. Even the old Rage128/XL
> > (mainly on server platform) should work too. For nic,
> > I would recommend Broadcom’s NetXtreme gigabit nic and
> > Intel’s E1000.
> >
> >
> > Calvin Guan Windows DDK MVP
> > Enterprise Network Controller Engineering
> > Broadcom Corp. http://www.broadcom.com
> >
> > — Michal Vodicka wrote:
> > > We finally decided to make 64-bit versions of our
> > > drivers so I’d need a new development machine. It
> > > seems as dual Opteron is the best choice as I need>
> > > it for both 32 and 64-bit development and SMP is
> > > necessary. Now I’m trying to find complying
> > > motherboard. Has anybody an experience, good or bad,
> > > with Asus K8N-DL? Or any other mb which can be
> > > recommended or rejected?
> > >
> > > Also, I’d like to know how well it works in 32-bit
> > > mode. If I understand correctly, OS should work with
> > > no problem but what about special software as
> > > SoftICE and VMware? Any experiece?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Michal Vodicka
> > > UPEK, Inc.
> > > [xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
> > >
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