In case people did not see it there was an announcement in the WHQL
newsletter yesterday:
> DTM Support Update
> Beginning February 1, 2007, DTM support will be handled via standard
> Microsoft product support >> channels. The web form currently used for
> DTM case creation will not be accepted beginning
> February 1. Details of available Microsoft Services support options can
> be found at
> http://www.microsoft.com/services/microsoftservices/srv_support.mspx
> http:.
>> Customers with a Premier support contract should work with their TAM to
>> open support incidents.
>> For non-Premier customers, Professional Support Options are listed at:
>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;EN-US;OfferProPhone
>> http:, including phone numbers and
>> pricing information.
The interesting question is, will the standard channels include a public
newsgroup like most products have where questions can be asked, and people
can respond. Right now, everyone I know who has submitted a support
question on DTM has never gotten an answer.
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By the way, is this the right place to discuss DTM in general? I heard there was a DTM newsgroup but it got shut down or something? DTM never writes me back either.
Well there are people here that will discuss DTM, which is more than the
Microsoft newsgroups will do. There are even one or two people who got it
to work at least once (but I can’t say for sure if any of them got it to
work twice).
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> By the way, is this the right place to discuss DTM in general? I heard
> there was a DTM newsgroup but it got shut down or something? DTM never
> writes me back either.
>
They’re doing a DTM survey now; see
https:SurveyID=3399&SiteID=148>
and
http:the-dtm-survey.aspx>
Now looks like a good time to leave feedback.
-sd
On Jan 16, 2007, at 9:36 AM, Don Burn wrote:
> Well there are people here that will discuss DTM, which is more
> than the
> Microsoft newsgroups will do. There are even one or two people who
> got it
> to work at least once (but I can’t say for sure if any of them got
> it to
> work twice).
>
>
> –
> Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
> Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
> http://www.windrvr.com
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>
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> wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
>> By the way, is this the right place to discuss DTM in general? I
>> heard
>> there was a DTM newsgroup but it got shut down or something? DTM
>> never
>> writes me back either.
>>
>
>
>
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Don Burn wrote:
Well there are people here that will discuss DTM, which is more than
the Microsoft newsgroups will do. There are even one or two people
who got it to work at least once (but I can’t say for sure if any of them
got it to work twice).
Well, our setup works fairly reliably, but there’s things I don’t understand about it. For example, what’s the point of the PREfast for Drivers test?
Not only do I not understand how the results are used (can you fail WHQL if you have too many warnings?), but you can easily feed it an XML file that was forged (there is no hash, unlike the defectsSum.txt file).
wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
>
> Well, our setup works fairly reliably, but there’s things I don’t
> understand about it. For example, what’s the point of the PREfast for
> Drivers test?
>
> Not only do I not understand how the results are used (can you fail WHQL
> if you have too many warnings?), but you can easily feed it an XML file
> that was forged (there is no hash, unlike the defectsSum.txt file).
Actually, I don’t have a problem with that test, since I believe a driver
should not be loaded on a test machine with PREfast warnings, let alone
ship. Unfortunately, Microsoft does not agree, I haven’t gone back to
check 6000, but in the beta WDK there was a blue screen type bug in the
sfilter sample that PREfast caught, and Microsoft had ignored!
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Don Burn wrote:
Actually, I don’t have a problem with that test, since I believe a
driver should not be loaded on a test machine with PREfast warnings,
let alone ship.
I agree with you – all my drivers are PREfast clean as well.
All I’m saying is that the way the test is set up, it’s not really enforcing anything. Nor is it clear – at least to me – what would be enforced, if it were.
Some of us are trying to figure out how to actually extract DTM test
failure information from DTM into a usable format for entering into a
bug database, for example the arcane ascii text format, so that a
developer can actually fix a test failure without having to physically
observe the problem. Of course “DTM test failure information” is a bit
of a stretch. Luckily at the moment I am not one of those people.
-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Steve Dispensa
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:59 AM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: Re: [ntdev] DTM again
They’re doing a DTM survey now; see
https:SurveyID=3399&SiteID=148>
and
http:the-dtm-survey.aspx>
Now looks like a good time to leave feedback.
-sd
On Jan 16, 2007, at 9:36 AM, Don Burn wrote:
> Well there are people here that will discuss DTM, which is more
> than the
> Microsoft newsgroups will do. There are even one or two people who
> got it
> to work at least once (but I can’t say for sure if any of them got
> it to
> work twice).
>
>
> –
> Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
> Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
> http://www.windrvr.com
> Remove StopSpam from the email to reply
>
>
>
> wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
>> By the way, is this the right place to discuss DTM in general? I
>> heard
>> there was a DTM newsgroup but it got shut down or something? DTM
>> never
>> writes me back either.
>>
>
>
>
> —
> Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at http://
> www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>
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From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com[SMTP:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] on behalf of Don Burn[SMTP:xxxxx@acm.org]
Reply To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 7:18 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: Re:[ntdev] DTM again
Actually, I don’t have a problem with that test, since I believe a driver
should not be loaded on a test machine with PREfast warnings, let alone
ship.
The last time I examined prefast logs generated just for DTM, there was nothing really useful. WDK 6000 version is better than older ones but still returns some nonsense. Should I spend time to disable these warnings, especially when they come from WDK headers? Nope, I prefer PC-lint.
I guess this test is only useful for prefast developers. If they examine all logs submitted, they can fix future versions and possibly WDK headers.
Best regards,
Michal Vodicka
UPEK, Inc.
[xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
I work with someone who has gotten it to work twice. Something involved
then crashed, and he decided he would not be going for number three.
Ever. Personally, I think the machine was smitten.
mm
>> xxxxx@acm.org 2007-01-16 10:36 >>>
Well there are people here that will discuss DTM, which is more than
the
Microsoft newsgroups will do. There are even one or two people who got
it
to work at least once (but I can’t say for sure if any of them got it
to
work twice).
–
Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
http://www.windrvr.com
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wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> By the way, is this the right place to discuss DTM in general? I
heard
> there was a DTM newsgroup but it got shut down or something? DTM
never
> writes me back either.
>
—
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http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
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> Not only do I not understand how the results are used (can you fail WHQL if you have too many warnings?), but you can easily feed it an XML file that was forged (there is no hash, unlike the defectsSum.txt file).
To use a favorite Slashdot-ism:
- Get people to run Prefast.
- Get people to actually pay attention to the results and enforce
compliance.
3…
- Profit!!!
They’re still on stage 1. Expect Stage 2 sooner rather than later, if
history is any indication. 3 & 4 are left as exercises to the reader.
Ray
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