Some companies have their own quality mechanisms. Some products do not fit the current signing track. My own experience is that whql is a costly, lengthy, resource-wasting process; if I look back, whql has been a money sink with little or no return. Worse, we had to spend a lot of time, money and energy adding bells and whistles that we wouldn’t have bothered with, just to pass whql and keep some mouths shut. Good Lord, how much time did I waste looking for a 1% difference in one pixel in a large texture map, or bothering to render by software instead of by hardware because there was a half-pixel deviation between my triangle and what they wanted - even though the OpenGL spec itself allowed me the leeway ? Having to coax my chip and my pipeline to render exactly the same as the Microsoft OpenGL implementation ?
Thanks but no, thanks. I pass.
But that said, let me throw in a suggestion. How about a Microsoft-independent way of certifying software quality ? A mechanism that concentrates on real quality ? a design-independent mechanism ? A mechanism that respects established industrywide standards achieved by multilateral agreement ? A mechanism that does not rely on compliance with party-line tenets ? An objective, unbiased mechanism, that establishes clear objectives to be attained with and only with the product’s executable and no other strings attached ? A mechanism established by a wide consensus ? A mechanism that’s portable across platforms and across operating systems ?
Hey, I’d be fully supportive of it.
Alberto.
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From: Mark Roddy
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Subject: RE: [ntdev] Allowing unattended installation of unsigned drivers …
Everytime I install hardware and the driver is unsigned I think ‘here is a comapny that cannot even be bothered to get their drivers signed’. Signing is no guarantee of quality, but lack of a signature is a pretty good indicator of a company that just doesn’t care much about quality.
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Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 10:17 AM
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Some production software overflows the concept of “signing”. And the requirements for signing are far too encompassing anyway, so, I take the opposite viewpoint: unless I need my software to be signed - emphasis on the *need* - my attitude is, why bother ? It’s a big drain in manpower, it extends the product cycle by a significant amount and it may cause the product to miss a marketing window.
Alberto.
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Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 2:54 AM
Subject: Re: [ntdev] Allowing unattended installation of unsigned drivers …
If you are trying to “turn off” unsigned driver warnings in order to install some software that doesn’t have a signature across your enterprise, use the domain policy to allow it,
Correct , but the domain policy and the settings within Device Manager for “Signing” are OR-ed . If one sets te Domain Policy to “allow unsigned” , the OS will still prompt if the user left ( or has set ) the default “Prompt” value .
Btw.: On a particular XP system, I get this during normal operation ( setupapi.log ) :
#E360 An unsigned or incorrectly signed file “D:\WINDOWS\system32\xxxxxxx” for driver “xxxxxxxxx” will be installed (Policy=Ignore). Error 0x800b0100: No signature was present in the subject.
And in fact there is NO prompt during installation of the driver , although domain policy and the “Driver Signing Options” accessed via Device Manager are set to “Warn” . Any ideas how to bring this situation back to normal ?
Christiaan
although you might question your vendor about why it’s unsigned, such as there is no WHQL category for that class of driver or something like that.
If you are trying to do this so you can ship your unfinished product, don’t. Finish it right, then ship it.
Phil
Philip D. Barila
Seagate Technology LLC
(720) 684-1842
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> Wouldn’t it be easier to get a test signature for your driver and
> install the base test certificate on the machines where you want to load
> the driver? It takes almost 0 time to test-sign a driver.
> –
> …/ray..
Yes, but as “Gary” stated "
>>>For Server 2003 drivers you can do this by acquiring an Authenticode
>>>certificate and applying it to your install package. This will not work for
>>>XP however. Check Verisign or other such certificate providers.
>>>–
>>>The personal opinion of
>>>Gary G. Little
… this works only on Server2003 . Does anyone knows if this will become
available in XP ( SP’s ) and become/is available in Longhorn ?
Christiaan
>
> Christiaan Ghijselinck wrote:
> > Dear all ,
> >
> > Does exists a method or command line tool that allows to turn off ( allow ) the installation of unsigned drivers without the
user
> > prompt , and that subsequently restores the original setting after installation ? Something that suppresses the user prompt
and
> > simulates OK is all right too . I need this rather urgently , and can’t wait for the “signation”
> >
> > Thanks ,
> >
> > Christiaan
> >
> >
> >
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