RtlIsServicePackVersionInstalled issue?

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>>
Now because there was no gentlemen’s agreement you
may not scandalize my name but as a suitable punishment I will refrain from
posting in the kernel groups (except for this thread) until the end of the
year only.
<<

Daniel, I have no interest in scandalizing anyone’s name or exacting punishment. I only want:

(a) to make sure the bug and its impact are correctly described so people don’t take inappropriate steps (such as unneeded precautions), and
(b) to make sure it’s understood that if there is something beyond the known and understood parts of this [or any other] bug, we find out about it earlier rather than later- then someone who can fix the problem can get involved, and we won’t see it unhandled for years.

Besides, I’ve seen you provide plenty of useful input to this list. Certainly more than I have myself.

People get passionate about things and sometimes go overboard- I have done so in my past and I’m sure I still do [maybe I did this time]. But I don’t take that personally until I start getting personal threats [which so far hasn’t happened]…

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>>
Just curious, but how does this work. I was under the impression that when
an individual was nominated, you guys/girls in the core services group voted
on an individual…
<<
In my case, I doubt I’m important enough to be canvassed for such a vote:). If I’m somehow wrong about that, then nobody’s needed my vote in the time I’ve been in this job [a few years]…

>
However, how does Microsoft
evaluate MVP’s as experts on driver writing if you guys that own the kernel
don’t have input on who is certified?
<<
Perhaps OT, but just in case I’ve fostered a misconception: I’m not part of the kernel team- never have been, although I’ve worked in drivers for some time. I’m part of the Windows Driver Frameworks team, which while it is close to the kernel in some ways, is still a separate product/entity/whatever you want to call it. We’re both Core OS Division, but beyond that, I think organizationally it isn’t even close.

Doron probably knows more about MVP mechanisms than I do [as is true of so many things:)]. But I’m not going to try to commit him to an answer [he’s probably at least as busy as I am, and I probably shouldn’t even be doing this].

At any rate I think I’ve muddied the list [I try to reserve ramblings for my blog] and delayed my to-do list enough at this point. Hope you get a better answer…

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Daniel,

I would have to agree with Robert K. here: “I’ve seen you provide
plenty of useful
input to this list.”.

There has been some shit slinging between us in the past and PeterG
called me a troll over it if you remember, but whatever. Your comments
are good to read and I hope you would continue your postings. Even if
something is not 100%, at worst (best) it can produce an interesting dialog.

Matt

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Don’t think I"ve seen your blog, care to provide a link? I’d like to check
it out.

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I just need a holiday or so and a break from the kernel for a while but
nothing serious. Thanks for the comments and no hard feelings about the
past.

/Daniel

“MM” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> Daniel,
>
> I would have to agree with Robert K. here: “I’ve seen you provide
> plenty of useful
> input to this list.”.
>
> There has been some shit slinging between us in the past and PeterG
> called me a troll over it if you remember, but whatever. Your comments are
> good to read and I hope you would continue your postings. Even if
> something is not 100%, at worst (best) it can produce an interesting
> dialog.
>
> Matt
>
>>
>

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I was about to send this " Look guys Daniel is going for vacation .
Otherwise such a kernel-drunker would not leave this site ".

Ah, sometime I’m correct without any clue, and othertime I’m wrong
with lots of clues :slight_smile:

But the idea of yours to stay away from this is a very bad idea even
in a very best case scenario !

-pro

On Nov 7, 2007 6:40 AM, Daniel Terhell wrote:
> I just need a holiday or so and a break from the kernel for a while but
> nothing serious. Thanks for the comments and no hard feelings about the
> past.
>
> /Daniel
>
>
>
> “MM” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> > Daniel,
> >
> > I would have to agree with Robert K. here: “I’ve seen you provide
> > plenty of useful
> > input to this list.”.
> >
> > There has been some shit slinging between us in the past and PeterG
> > called me a troll over it if you remember, but whatever. Your comments are
> > good to read and I hope you would continue your postings. Even if
> > something is not 100%, at worst (best) it can produce an interesting
> > dialog.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >>
> >
>
>
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We do provide feedback on MVP nominees (and can nominate people as well) so it just does not magically happen. My point is that there is a vetting process to get MVP status and is not something that nor anyone else can just magically bestow on someone instantaneously :wink:

d

From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of OSR LIST
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:39 AM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: Re: [ntdev] RtlIsServicePackVersionInstalled issue?

On 11/6/07, robertkj wrote:
First off, I can’t do anything about an MVP status for anyone.

Just curious, but how does this work. I was under the impression that when an individual was nominated, you guys/girls in the core services group voted on an individual…

As a novice, I’ve found that when a DDK MVP speaks (or someone from Micorsoft), generally everyone should listen. However, how does Microsoft evaluate MVP’s as experts on driver writing if you guys that own the kernel don’t have input on who is certified?

I admit this is slightly off topic, but I learn a lot from just reading this list. When two different people that both sound knowledgeable are speaking about something and have different views, what sets the MVP above the other.

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>>
Don’t think I"ve seen your blog, care to provide a link? I’d like to check
it out.
<<

This page has all the (MSDN, anyway) Hardware and Driver-related Blogs linked in one place:

http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/resources/blogs.mspx

I’m assuming you were asking about mine- it is the one titled “Trouble Ahead- Trouble Behind”:

http://blogs.msdn.com/bobkjelgaard/

Given that the page includes Mark Russinovich, Doron Holan, Larry Osterman and Peter Wieland, I’m definitely one of the lesser lights in that particular constellation. I’m also one of the less skilled bloggers [e.g., don’t provide contextual links in some cases where I really should, and my HTML skills are rusty from years of unuse], although I think I’m improving as I go along.

Ilias, for instance [he tops the list, currently] provides a lot of good links in his articles. You’ll usually find links to some good non-Microsoft sources (like Don Burns’ blog and of course this list) as well as you navigate through most of these blogs.

Of course, you might already know most of that, but perhaps someone else who reads this doesn’t…

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OSR LIST wrote:

Just curious, but how does this work. I was under the impression that
when an individual was nominated, you guys/girls in the core services
group voted on an individual…

As a novice, I’ve found that when a DDK MVP speaks (or someone from
Micorsoft), generally everyone should listen. However, how does
Microsoft evaluate MVP’s as experts on driver writing if you guys that
own the kernel don’t have input on who is certified?

It’s not a “certification”, and it’s not a guarantee of expertise. MVP
status is recognition by one’s peers: MVPs (and key Microsoft
contributors) nominate people who have been visible and helpful over the
last year, in newgroups, mailing lists, blogs, user groups, seminars,
magazine articles, and book publishing. The MVP team does solicit
feedback from the product teams and the existing MVPs, but in the end
it’s not democratic. It’s up to the MVP team.

It’s also not permanent. I have to be renominated and reappointed every
year, and in some of the more crowded fields (like SDK and the Office
apps) there is a fair amount of turnover. There aren’t very many DDK
MVPs yet (less than a dozen world-wide), and to my knowledge there has
been no turnover.

I admit this is slightly off topic, but I learn a lot from just
reading this list. When two different people that both sound
knowledgeable are speaking about something and have different views,
what sets the MVP above the other.

It’s not really intended to be a flag that “this person has the
answers,” or that “Microsoft promises this person will answer
questions”. It is intended to be a “thank you” from Microsoft for past
evangelism, nothing more. To a certain extent, it’s like the Nobel
Prize. Now, it is true that an MVP would not have been nominated had
they not tended to have more correct answers than wrong answers, but I
have certainly been known to veer off into the marshes on occasion…

–
Tim Roberts, xxxxx@probo.com, DDK MVP
Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc.

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> discussion before. Talking about homework, it’s been five years this bug has

been known.

1.5 years since it was raised to NTDEV list I think.

–
Maxim Shatskih, Windows DDK MVP
StorageCraft Corporation
xxxxx@storagecraft.com
http://www.storagecraft.com