Peter:
I think it is your view of these people that is naive. Granted SOME of
them may be good and kind and altruistic. But by and large they are simply
trying to “shoplift the pooty”. I mean why pay when you can join hands
together and try to collectively (Soviet collectives anyone?) foist guilt
upon software developers for having the effrontery to charge ACTUAL MONEY
for their efforts? How many software ads are there in Linux Journal?
Virtually none. What does that tell you? It tells ME they are ripping off
every piece of code they can get their grimy little hands on.
Forget the rosy picture - many are political do-gooders with an agenda.
That ‘agenda’ is to help themselves to as much free code as they can get;
they don’t care if it hurts anyone else - they simply want their free code.
Next they’ll be saying “all hardware should be free” - I mean where does it
stop? I guess they think EVERYTHING should be free.
Mostly, however, they are running home at night after working at their
no/low-tech jobs to see what they can get for nothing. Oh yeah, since (mea
culpa) once upon a time I played the drums too, I also think artists should
get reimbursed for their efforts - perish the thought!
Bill Casey
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-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]On Behalf Of Peter Viscarola
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 4:26 PM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: value of open-source in the driver community (was
“how to execute a process…”)“Bill Casey” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> >
> > Peter:
> > regarding the “Open Sore” community. But your posting and the recent
> “Open
> > Source” front-cover headline by C/C++ Journal has caused the following
> > venting:
> >
> Gosh, I LOVE venting. We should start a whole list just FOR venting.
>
> >
> > By the sweat of my brow and force of my intellect (no
> sniggering!) I have
> > managed to stay in business for myself for almost 30 years.
> >
> Gee, me too. Well, not in business for myself for 30 years, but
> OSR is now
> 10 years old, and before that I ran my software company for 7 years.
>
>
> > So why should I
> > be forced either directly or through reverse engineering to
> make both past
> > AND future intellectual work product not only FREE but FREELY available?
>
> Never said you should…
>
> > Let’s all quit whining about having the Windows source available.
> > Maybe we should all stare at our OWN code a little longer for
> the sake of
> > improving it rather than dump responsibility onto MS for our perceived
> > difficulties. Buck up and take it like a man. It is THEIR
> code paid for
> > with THEIR money. We can complain but it isn’t our RIGHT to look at,
> touch
> > it or feel it.
> >
>
> Never said it was our RIGHT. Just that it would be a hell of a good idea.
> And that I agreed that they SHOULD make source available. And that they
> really have nothing to fear. In fact, I think making at least selected
> Windows o/s source available would be one of the most clever
> things MS ever
> did. It would be a major business coup. They’d take away one of
> the major
> whines from the penguinites, they’d help the driver community build better
> software, and they’d make a bunch of hard working devs – who do
> nothing in
> the end but add value to the Windows platform – happier by getting them
> home to dinner on time more often.
>
> Heck, even Digital made the sources to VMS available for
> reference (at very
> low cost) when they realized that there was nothing to lose, and a lot to
> gain, by doing so.
>
> > Bottom line is that these “penguinites” as you so politely call them are
> > nothing more than lazy, thieving, stupid, fascist, bottom-dwelling
> > scavengers. They want to impose their socialist world-view
> (that software
> > should be free) on all of us. They want it free because in the final
> > analysis they are cheap assholes cloaked in the mantle of world saviors.
> >
>
> Are you related to the OTHER William Casey by any chance? Wow…
>
> Well, me… personally, I’m all for a more socialist world view. But
> certainly not in the realm of software. OSR isn’t some sort of commune.
>
> But I DO think you’re over-simlifying the equation: There’s a lot
> to be said
> for the open source community. Can you tell me that you’ve never
> benefited
> by finding algorithms or code solutions on the web – or by reading some
> code in The NT Insider (or Knuth)? Well, I see what the penguinites are
> saying as just the logical extension of this concept. I must say, I have
> beneifited MANY times from code in the open source community.
> It’s a great
> idea. Sharing is caring (everybody, let’s hold hands and sing… “Kumbaya
> m’Lord…”). Of course, you can’t make a LIVING that way, I agree.
>
> While I am nauseated by, and find grossly misguided, some of the
> implications of the GPL, I still think that most of these folks are merely
> naive and foolish. Innocently unknowning. Sort of like the poor folks in
> Cuba who fought to overthow Batista and put Fidel into power, only to find
> out years later… Surprise! He’s really not about being a nice guy. Are
> these BAD people? Nah, just sadly naive and somewhat deceived.
>
> Gosh, I love rants,
>
> Peter
>
>
>
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