> -----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of
Oliver Schneider
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 1:34 AM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: Re: Re:[ntdev] WinDDK 6001 and Visual Studio 2005
compatibility
To be very honest with you, I prefer using Visual Assist X.
It’s perfect with drivers, as it parses the headers that you
give in the project options. So instead of relying on the
browsle files, you get a much improved IntelliSense and a lot
of other goodies.
Which goodies? I examined it few years before and found nothing good
enough to justify using the poor VS editor and horrible environment.
The main advantage of browse files over IntelliSense are IMO references.
I can’t imagine working and especially browsing large projects written
by a lot of people without them. I’m not sure if IntelliSense already
supports it and how reliably, though. BSC files contain accurate info
because it comes directly from compiler.
The disadvantage is the need to build project at first.
(Returning to list after some time it is hard to find out all mails
relevant to interesting discussions. Is anybody able to persuade Outlook
2003 to display threads?)
Best regards,
Michal Vodicka
UPEK, Inc.
[xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
Try Outlook Express and use the newsgroups feature. It gives you the
threads very easily. The email interface to the OSR Online newsgroups is
nice if everyone quotes all previous messages and replies via top posting to
keep the sequence in order, otherwise you have to count the number of '>'s
to see which reply matches which post. When you establish the newsgroups,
only download headers the first time. I prefer to ‘Hide Read Messages’ and
turn it to ‘Show All Messages’ when I need to read backwards in time. You
can have the ‘View’ displayed on the toolbar with a pull down menu to change
the view easily. I also check the box to expand all threads.
“Michal Vodicka” wrote in message
news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of
> Oliver Schneider
> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 1:34 AM
> To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> Subject: Re: Re:[ntdev] WinDDK 6001 and Visual Studio 2005
> compatibility
>
> To be very honest with you, I prefer using Visual Assist X.
> It’s perfect with drivers, as it parses the headers that you
> give in the project options. So instead of relying on the
> browsle files, you get a much improved IntelliSense and a lot
> of other goodies.
Which goodies? I examined it few years before and found nothing good
enough to justify using the poor VS editor and horrible environment.
The main advantage of browse files over IntelliSense are IMO references.
I can’t imagine working and especially browsing large projects written
by a lot of people without them. I’m not sure if IntelliSense already
supports it and how reliably, though. BSC files contain accurate info
because it comes directly from compiler.
The disadvantage is the need to build project at first.
(Returning to list after some time it is hard to find out all mails
relevant to interesting discussions. Is anybody able to persuade Outlook
2003 to display threads?)
Best regards,
Michal Vodicka
UPEK, Inc.
[xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
I developed newsgroups allergy, don’t know why 
Maybe because Outlook
Express always enables the stupid Messenger whenever I use it.
Well, I will probably install Thunderbird as e-mail client, instead of
Outlook which is annoying monster. The only thing which stops me from it
is 3GB old mails in .pst archives.
There is threading info in NTDEV mails headers. Is Outlook really so
dumb it can’t utilize it? Or am I when can’t find how?
Best regards,
Michal Vodicka
UPEK, Inc.
[xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of David Craig
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:19 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: Re:[ntdev] Re:WinDDK 6001 and Visual Studio 2005
compatibility
Try Outlook Express and use the newsgroups feature. It gives you the
threads very easily. The email interface to the OSR Online
newsgroups is
nice if everyone quotes all previous messages and replies via
top posting to
keep the sequence in order, otherwise you have to count the
number of '>'s
to see which reply matches which post. When you establish
the newsgroups,
only download headers the first time. I prefer to ‘Hide Read
Messages’ and
turn it to ‘Show All Messages’ when I need to read backwards
in time. You
can have the ‘View’ displayed on the toolbar with a pull down
menu to change
the view easily. I also check the box to expand all threads.
“Michal Vodicka” wrote in message
> news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> > [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of
> > Oliver Schneider
> > Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 1:34 AM
> > To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> > Subject: Re: Re:[ntdev] WinDDK 6001 and Visual Studio 2005
> > compatibility
> >
> > To be very honest with you, I prefer using Visual Assist X.
> > It’s perfect with drivers, as it parses the headers that you
> > give in the project options. So instead of relying on the
> > browsle files, you get a much improved IntelliSense and a lot
> > of other goodies.
>
> Which goodies? I examined it few years before and found nothing good
> enough to justify using the poor VS editor and horrible environment.
>
> The main advantage of browse files over IntelliSense are IMO
> references.
> I can’t imagine working and especially browsing large projects written
> by a lot of people without them. I’m not sure if IntelliSense already
> supports it and how reliably, though. BSC files contain accurate info
> because it comes directly from compiler.
>
> The disadvantage is the need to build project at first.
>
> (Returning to list after some time it is hard to find out all mails
> relevant to interesting discussions. Is anybody able to
> persuade Outlook
> 2003 to display threads?)
>
> Best regards,
>
> Michal Vodicka
> UPEK, Inc.
> [xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
>
>
>
> —
> NTDEV is sponsored by OSR
>
> For our schedule of WDF, WDM, debugging and other seminars visit:
> http://www.osr.com/seminars
>
> To unsubscribe, visit the List Server section of OSR Online
> at http://www.osronline.com/page.cfm?name=ListServer
>
I also use Forte Agent and it works very well. I normally use OE so I can
drag newsgroup messages into email folders for future reference. If
Messenger is a real pain, uncheck the button that turns it on. I always
uninstall Windows Messenger myself, but I usually install the latest Live
Messenger. That uninstall of Messenger, MSN, etc. is part of my normal
configuration for a new OS install. On servers I turn off the reason for
shutdown box in that environment too.
“Michal Vodicka” wrote in message
news:xxxxx@ntdev…
I developed newsgroups allergy, don’t know why Maybe because Outlook
Express always enables the stupid Messenger whenever I use it.
Well, I will probably install Thunderbird as e-mail client, instead of
Outlook which is annoying monster. The only thing which stops me from it
is 3GB old mails in .pst archives.
There is threading info in NTDEV mails headers. Is Outlook really so
dumb it can’t utilize it? Or am I when can’t find how?
Best regards,
Michal Vodicka
UPEK, Inc.
[xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of David Craig
> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:19 PM
> To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> Subject: Re:[ntdev] Re:WinDDK 6001 and Visual Studio 2005
> compatibility
>
> Try Outlook Express and use the newsgroups feature. It gives you the
> threads very easily. The email interface to the OSR Online
> newsgroups is
> nice if everyone quotes all previous messages and replies via
> top posting to
> keep the sequence in order, otherwise you have to count the
> number of '>'s
> to see which reply matches which post. When you establish
> the newsgroups,
> only download headers the first time. I prefer to ‘Hide Read
> Messages’ and
> turn it to ‘Show All Messages’ when I need to read backwards
> in time. You
> can have the ‘View’ displayed on the toolbar with a pull down
> menu to change
> the view easily. I also check the box to expand all threads.
>
> “Michal Vodicka” wrote in message
> news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> > [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of
> > Oliver Schneider
> > Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 1:34 AM
> > To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> > Subject: Re: Re:[ntdev] WinDDK 6001 and Visual Studio 2005
> > compatibility
> >
> > To be very honest with you, I prefer using Visual Assist X.
> > It’s perfect with drivers, as it parses the headers that you
> > give in the project options. So instead of relying on the
> > browsle files, you get a much improved IntelliSense and a lot
> > of other goodies.
>
> Which goodies? I examined it few years before and found nothing good
> enough to justify using the poor VS editor and horrible environment.
>
> The main advantage of browse files over IntelliSense are IMO
> references.
> I can’t imagine working and especially browsing large projects written
> by a lot of people without them. I’m not sure if IntelliSense already
> supports it and how reliably, though. BSC files contain accurate info
> because it comes directly from compiler.
>
> The disadvantage is the need to build project at first.
>
> (Returning to list after some time it is hard to find out all mails
> relevant to interesting discussions. Is anybody able to
> persuade Outlook
> 2003 to display threads?)
>
> Best regards,
>
> Michal Vodicka
> UPEK, Inc.
> [xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
>
>
>
> —
> NTDEV is sponsored by OSR
>
> For our schedule of WDF, WDM, debugging and other seminars visit:
> http://www.osr.com/seminars
>
> To unsubscribe, visit the List Server section of OSR Online
> at http://www.osronline.com/page.cfm?name=ListServer
>
Michal:
I share your pain and feelings regarding Outlook. As you know, I know next to nothing about e-mail and the internet in general, but
my personal favorite Outlook ‘feature’ is how if you select ‘Message Headers’ from the ‘View’ menu, it removes everything but the
‘From’ line; but if you want to see what I at least think of as header information, you have to go to the ‘Options’ menu under
‘View.’ I have no idea of how many people look at header information or how frequently, nor do I have any idea of what most of it
means, but I have a hard time imagining why someone would want to remove, say, the ‘subject.’
In any case, I use Thunderbird, and I like it well enough, although it has not uncommonly lost it’s thread history information
resulting in everything having to be downloaded again.
Welcome back,
mm
Michal Vodicka wrote:
I developed newsgroups allergy, don’t know why Maybe because Outlook
Express always enables the stupid Messenger whenever I use it.
Well, I will probably install Thunderbird as e-mail client, instead of
Outlook which is annoying monster. The only thing which stops me from it
is 3GB old mails in .pst archives.
There is threading info in NTDEV mails headers. Is Outlook really so
dumb it can’t utilize it? Or am I when can’t find how?
Best regards,
Michal Vodicka
UPEK, Inc.
[xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of David Craig
> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:19 PM
> To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> Subject: Re:[ntdev] Re:WinDDK 6001 and Visual Studio 2005
> compatibility
>
> Try Outlook Express and use the newsgroups feature. It gives you the
> threads very easily. The email interface to the OSR Online
> newsgroups is
> nice if everyone quotes all previous messages and replies via
> top posting to
> keep the sequence in order, otherwise you have to count the
> number of '>'s
> to see which reply matches which post. When you establish
> the newsgroups,
> only download headers the first time. I prefer to ‘Hide Read
> Messages’ and
> turn it to ‘Show All Messages’ when I need to read backwards
> in time. You
> can have the ‘View’ displayed on the toolbar with a pull down
> menu to change
> the view easily. I also check the box to expand all threads.
>
> “Michal Vodicka” wrote in message
>> news:xxxxx@ntdev…
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>>> [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Oliver Schneider
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 1:34 AM
>>> To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
>>> Subject: Re: Re:[ntdev] WinDDK 6001 and Visual Studio 2005
>>> compatibility
>>>
>>> To be very honest with you, I prefer using Visual Assist X.
>>> It’s perfect with drivers, as it parses the headers that you
>>> give in the project options. So instead of relying on the
>>> browsle files, you get a much improved IntelliSense and a lot
>>> of other goodies.
>> Which goodies? I examined it few years before and found nothing good
>> enough to justify using the poor VS editor and horrible environment.
>>
>> The main advantage of browse files over IntelliSense are IMO
>> references.
>> I can’t imagine working and especially browsing large projects written
>> by a lot of people without them. I’m not sure if IntelliSense already
>> supports it and how reliably, though. BSC files contain accurate info
>> because it comes directly from compiler.
>>
>> The disadvantage is the need to build project at first.
>>
>> (Returning to list after some time it is hard to find out all mails
>> relevant to interesting discussions. Is anybody able to
>> persuade Outlook
>> 2003 to display threads?)
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Michal Vodicka
>> UPEK, Inc.
>> [xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
>>
>>
>>
>> —
>> NTDEV is sponsored by OSR
>>
>> For our schedule of WDF, WDM, debugging and other seminars visit:
>> http://www.osr.com/seminars
>>
>> To unsubscribe, visit the List Server section of OSR Online
>> at http://www.osronline.com/page.cfm?name=ListServer
>>
>
Martin,
yes, I like it, too However, my favorite feature is reformatting mail
when it saves it into drafts. I write an e-mail and suddenly, the text
is completely reformatted. Next great feature is quoting… Well, I’m
going to install Thunderbird immediatelly when find some way how to
convert mail archives. It is sad that in our company with Exchange
server half of people already use different e-mail client because the
native one is almost useless after more than 10 years of development.
Best regards,
Michal Vodicka
UPEK, Inc.
[xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Martin O’Brien
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 2:22 AM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: Re:[ntdev] WinDDK 6001 and Visual Studio 2005 compatibility
Michal:
I share your pain and feelings regarding Outlook. As you
know, I know next to nothing about e-mail and the internet in
general, but
my personal favorite Outlook ‘feature’ is how if you select
‘Message Headers’ from the ‘View’ menu, it removes everything but the
‘From’ line; but if you want to see what I at least think of
as header information, you have to go to the ‘Options’ menu under
‘View.’ I have no idea of how many people look at header
information or how frequently, nor do I have any idea of what
most of it
means, but I have a hard time imagining why someone would
want to remove, say, the ‘subject.’
In any case, I use Thunderbird, and I like it well enough,
although it has not uncommonly lost it’s thread history information
resulting in everything having to be downloaded again.
Welcome back,
mm
Michal Vodicka wrote:
> I developed newsgroups allergy, don’t know why Maybe
because Outlook
> Express always enables the stupid Messenger whenever I use it.
>
> Well, I will probably install Thunderbird as e-mail client,
instead of
> Outlook which is annoying monster. The only thing which
stops me from it
> is 3GB old mails in .pst archives.
>
> There is threading info in NTDEV mails headers. Is Outlook really so
> dumb it can’t utilize it? Or am I when can’t find how?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Michal Vodicka
> UPEK, Inc.
> [xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>> [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of David Craig
>> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:19 PM
>> To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
>> Subject: Re:[ntdev] Re:WinDDK 6001 and Visual Studio 2005
>> compatibility
>>
>> Try Outlook Express and use the newsgroups feature. It
gives you the
>> threads very easily. The email interface to the OSR Online
>> newsgroups is
>> nice if everyone quotes all previous messages and replies via
>> top posting to
>> keep the sequence in order, otherwise you have to count the
>> number of '>'s
>> to see which reply matches which post. When you establish
>> the newsgroups,
>> only download headers the first time. I prefer to ‘Hide Read
>> Messages’ and
>> turn it to ‘Show All Messages’ when I need to read backwards
>> in time. You
>> can have the ‘View’ displayed on the toolbar with a pull down
>> menu to change
>> the view easily. I also check the box to expand all threads.
>>
>> “Michal Vodicka” wrote in message
> >> news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> >>> [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of
> >>> Oliver Schneider
> >>> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 1:34 AM
> >>> To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> >>> Subject: Re: Re:[ntdev] WinDDK 6001 and Visual Studio 2005
> >>> compatibility
> >>>
> >>> To be very honest with you, I prefer using Visual Assist X.
> >>> It’s perfect with drivers, as it parses the headers that you
> >>> give in the project options. So instead of relying on the
> >>> browsle files, you get a much improved IntelliSense and a lot
> >>> of other goodies.
> >> Which goodies? I examined it few years before and found
> nothing good
> >> enough to justify using the poor VS editor and horrible
> environment.
> >>
> >> The main advantage of browse files over IntelliSense are IMO
> >> references.
> >> I can’t imagine working and especially browsing large
> projects written
> >> by a lot of people without them. I’m not sure if
> IntelliSense already
> >> supports it and how reliably, though. BSC files contain
> accurate info
> >> because it comes directly from compiler.
> >>
> >> The disadvantage is the need to build project at first.
> >>
> >> (Returning to list after some time it is hard to find out all mails
> >> relevant to interesting discussions. Is anybody able to
> >> persuade Outlook
> >> 2003 to display threads?)
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> Michal Vodicka
> >> UPEK, Inc.
> >> [xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> —
> >> NTDEV is sponsored by OSR
> >>
> >> For our schedule of WDF, WDM, debugging and other seminars visit:
> >> http://www.osr.com/seminars
> >>
> >> To unsubscribe, visit the List Server section of OSR Online
> >> at http://www.osronline.com/page.cfm?name=ListServer
> >>
> >
>
> —
> NTDEV is sponsored by OSR
>
> For our schedule of WDF, WDM, debugging and other seminars visit:
> http://www.osr.com/seminars
>
> To unsubscribe, visit the List Server section of OSR Online
> at http://www.osronline.com/page.cfm?name=ListServer
>
OE is really the last choice. Big security hole even if patched. I was
tired with removing all the malware from my mother’s computer every few
months so installed her Thunderbird and Firefox and since then there is
no malware.
Best regards,
Michal Vodicka
UPEK, Inc.
[xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of David Craig
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 1:07 AM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: Re:[ntdev] Re:WinDDK 6001 and Visual Studio 2005
compatibility
I also use Forte Agent and it works very well. I normally
use OE so I can
drag newsgroup messages into email folders for future reference. If
Messenger is a real pain, uncheck the button that turns it
on. I always
uninstall Windows Messenger myself, but I usually install the
latest Live
Messenger. That uninstall of Messenger, MSN, etc. is part of
my normal
configuration for a new OS install. On servers I turn off
the reason for
shutdown box in that environment too.
“Michal Vodicka” wrote in message
> news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> I developed newsgroups allergy, don’t know why Maybe
> because Outlook
> Express always enables the stupid Messenger whenever I use it.
>
> Well, I will probably install Thunderbird as e-mail client, instead of
> Outlook which is annoying monster. The only thing which stops
> me from it
> is 3GB old mails in .pst archives.
>
> There is threading info in NTDEV mails headers. Is Outlook really so
> dumb it can’t utilize it? Or am I when can’t find how?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Michal Vodicka
> UPEK, Inc.
> [xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> > [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of David Craig
> > Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:19 PM
> > To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> > Subject: Re:[ntdev] Re:WinDDK 6001 and Visual Studio 2005
> > compatibility
> >
> > Try Outlook Express and use the newsgroups feature. It
> gives you the
> > threads very easily. The email interface to the OSR Online
> > newsgroups is
> > nice if everyone quotes all previous messages and replies via
> > top posting to
> > keep the sequence in order, otherwise you have to count the
> > number of '>'s
> > to see which reply matches which post. When you establish
> > the newsgroups,
> > only download headers the first time. I prefer to ‘Hide Read
> > Messages’ and
> > turn it to ‘Show All Messages’ when I need to read backwards
> > in time. You
> > can have the ‘View’ displayed on the toolbar with a pull down
> > menu to change
> > the view easily. I also check the box to expand all threads.
> >
> > “Michal Vodicka” wrote in message
> > news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> > > [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Oliver Schneider
> > > Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 1:34 AM
> > > To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> > > Subject: Re: Re:[ntdev] WinDDK 6001 and Visual Studio 2005
> > > compatibility
> > >
> > > To be very honest with you, I prefer using Visual Assist X.
> > > It’s perfect with drivers, as it parses the headers that you
> > > give in the project options. So instead of relying on the
> > > browsle files, you get a much improved IntelliSense and a lot
> > > of other goodies.
> >
> > Which goodies? I examined it few years before and found nothing good
> > enough to justify using the poor VS editor and horrible environment.
> >
> > The main advantage of browse files over IntelliSense are IMO
> > references.
> > I can’t imagine working and especially browsing large
> projects written
> > by a lot of people without them. I’m not sure if
> IntelliSense already
> > supports it and how reliably, though. BSC files contain
> accurate info
> > because it comes directly from compiler.
> >
> > The disadvantage is the need to build project at first.
> >
> > (Returning to list after some time it is hard to find out all mails
> > relevant to interesting discussions. Is anybody able to
> > persuade Outlook
> > 2003 to display threads?)
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Michal Vodicka
> > UPEK, Inc.
> > [xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
> >
> >
> >
> > —
> > NTDEV is sponsored by OSR
> >
> > For our schedule of WDF, WDM, debugging and other seminars visit:
> > http://www.osr.com/seminars
> >
> > To unsubscribe, visit the List Server section of OSR Online
> > at http://www.osronline.com/page.cfm?name=ListServer
> >
>
>
>
> —
> NTDEV is sponsored by OSR
>
> For our schedule of WDF, WDM, debugging and other seminars visit:
> http://www.osr.com/seminars
>
> To unsubscribe, visit the List Server section of OSR Online
> at http://www.osronline.com/page.cfm?name=ListServer
>
That’s the thing - I have 10.something, and it’s worse than whatever I had before, so I’m just not sure about getting the latest.
Thanks,
mm
Doron Holan wrote:
I have 11.0 right now. Debating if I want to get the latest. 11 was certainly a regression from 8.0 though, a bit slower and hangs more often.
d
-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Gary G. Little
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 7:11 AM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: Re:[ntdev] WinDDK 6001 and Visual Studio 2005 compatibility
SlickEdit 13.0.0.0 thus far appears to be acceptable.
–
The personal opinion of
Gary G. Little
“Martin O’Brien” wrote in message
> news:xxxxx@ntdev…
>> David:
>>
>> You’re correct - SlickEdit can indeed use BSC files. If you don’t mind,
>> what version of SlickEdit do you use, and how well does it handle
>> ‘Intellisense’ or whatever you call it? The reason I ask is that Doron
>> and I were talking about SlickEdit last week, and I believe that we agreed
>> that SlickEdit tends to vary in quality quite a bit from release to
>> release, and I’ve had problems with CodeSense/Intellisense with the
>> version I use 10.0.3.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> mm
>>
>>
>>
>> David Craig wrote:
>>> Here is a simple experiment you can try to understand how the Visual
>>> Studio n and the WDK/DDK nn/xx relate. Use one of the shortcuts to build
>>> a x86 (free or checked) driver. Type ‘cl’ and note the version that is
>>> displayed on the first line or two. In Visual Studio chose the option
>>> for ‘suppress banner’ under the C/C++ options and select ‘no’. Compile a
>>> project and look at the output to see the version.
>>>
>>> You will discover they do not match exactly. At some point in the
>>> development of a new OS or a service pack, one version of the Visual
>>> Studio command line compiler is chosen as the one that will be used to
>>> build the OS. Early on there may be some cases where it is changed
>>> because an error was discovered or a feature was missing, but this is
>>> only speculation on my part. Once the OS is building correctly to
>>> include all supporting software and in-box drivers, I think the compiler
>>> version is locked down and will remain the same even if the VS folks are
>>> still working on a new version. These choices were made, or so I think,
>>> because in early days going back to DOS a new release of the compiler
>>> frequently broke some form of driver building either with the compiler or
>>> linker missing some required feature or some feature was broken that was
>>> unique to drivers.
>>>
>>> VS6 has a completely different format for the bsc files as compared to
>>> later versions of VS. They do not work with incompatible formats.
>>> SlickEdit is very good and a new version was recently released. I
>>> believe that SlickEdit can use bsc files as input as well as its own
>>> tagging capability.
>>>
>>> For anyone who cares the primary difference between the various levels of
>>> Visual Studio is that prefast for applications is only available in the
>>> Team Editions. The database for managing projects between multiple
>>> groups is another feature I have found useless for driver developers. I
>>> don’t know of any group of 50 that do driver development in a connected
>>> environment where that capability would be useful. Usually a small group
>>> of 1 to 5 developers work on a single driver and a good source control
>>> system such as Perforce is all that is needed.
>>>
>>> I prefer SlickEdit and use it even when developing GUI based utilities
>>> except for designing the windows themselves. Sometimes I even use
>>> SlickEdit to edit the rc file to get in window objects aligned properly
>>> since I always seem to get them off by one or two points. You have to
>>> make sure that the rc extension is not automatically transferred to VS
>>> but is handled as a text file by SlickEdit.
>>>
>>> “FarmerJo” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I am currently trying to use VS V6 bscmake with WinDDK 6001. There
>>>> appears to be an incompatibility issue because bscmake reports an error
>>>> in the SBR files that it tries to process in order to generate the
>>>> target BSC file. Would this be a fair statement so far? I have almost
>>>> but given up on this combination. The only thing I have not yet tried is
>>>> using the bscmake.exe from VS2005/2008 and seeing if I get a BSC file
>>>> which can then be used with VS V6.
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone tell me if WinDDK 6001 and VS 2005 is compatible in this
>>>> respect? I need to be sure before I comit to buying it.
>>>>
>>>> In terms of using VS 2005 as an IDE and symbol browser would I be able
>>>> to get away with just using the standard edition of this product? Or is
>>>> there any compelling reason why I should go for the professional
>>>> version?
>>>>
>>>> Regards FarmerJo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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