Windbg displaying decimal

NTDEV
1

Ok, this is driving me nuts. Windbg 6.3.0017.0 (and earlier versions)
display NTSTATUS as a decimal number. So now I have -1073741791 which I
must then pop out the calculator and cut and paste the code, then
0xc0000021. Also, half my display is in decimal and the other half is in
hex. It appears 64 bit numbers are in decimal, while everything else is in
hex except for NTSTATUS! How do I fix this? The old windbg had an option
saying whether you wanted hex or decimal if you right click.

On windbg annoyances, you used to be able to right click in certain windows
(such as source code) and select things like “Execute to here, set
instruction pointer to here, etc…”, but that now does a paste into the
command window, even when that window is not the current window. I am
forced to use the menu system or remember the shortcut keys.

And like everyone else, I went through docking hell. Once I have it laid
out like I like, it is fine. (I have source code in top docked half, and
bottom docked half is locals, calls, and command windows.

Thanks,
Rob

2

Well instead of poping out the calculator, click on typecast and make the
type unsigned long, this will give you hex. I still have the docking hell,
to the point I no longer use 6.3.0017. Anybody want to give a decent
explanation how to fix docking hell, and no the flippant comments about
using multiple monitors just makes me tell my customers to stay away from
6.3.0017 except to file bugs.

Of course the fact that it also routinely locks my machine, and Microsoft’s
answer to this is “start another copy of WinDBG on the system and force a
dump”, to which I reply “It locks my system, how the hell do you start a
program when the only thing that works it the power button!”

–
Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting

“Rob Green” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> Ok, this is driving me nuts. Windbg 6.3.0017.0 (and earlier versions)
> display NTSTATUS as a decimal number. So now I have -1073741791 which I
> must then pop out the calculator and cut and paste the code, then
> 0xc0000021. Also, half my display is in decimal and the other half is in
> hex. It appears 64 bit numbers are in decimal, while everything else is
in
> hex except for NTSTATUS! How do I fix this? The old windbg had an option
> saying whether you wanted hex or decimal if you right click.
>
> On windbg annoyances, you used to be able to right click in certain
windows
> (such as source code) and select things like “Execute to here, set
> instruction pointer to here, etc…”, but that now does a paste into the
> command window, even when that window is not the current window. I am
> forced to use the menu system or remember the shortcut keys.
>
> And like everyone else, I went through docking hell. Once I have it laid
> out like I like, it is fine. (I have source code in top docked half, and
> bottom docked half is locals, calls, and command windows.
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
>
>
>
>

3

> Ok, this is driving me nuts. Windbg 6.3.0017.0 (and earlier versions)

display NTSTATUS as a decimal number. So now I have -1073741791 which I
must then pop out the calculator and cut and paste the code, then
0xc0000021. Also, half my display is in decimal and the other half is in
hex. It appears 64 bit numbers are in decimal, while everything
else is in
hex except for NTSTATUS! How do I fix this? The old windbg had an option
saying whether you wanted hex or decimal if you right click.

Probably the wrong mailing list for this (there’s a windbg mailing list),
but:

0:000> ?? (void *)-1073741791
void * 0xc0000021

There’s probably a better way, but eh.

4

That is clever. Didn’t know you could do that and will help for some other
things. However I still want ALL numbers in hex by default instead of
having to change something on every loop or function invocation.

Once its set up it is nice, but figuring out how to set it up is the
problem, especially since by default it creates new windows that change all
the other windows to fit them all on screen which is annoying when single
stepping through code.

Other than some minor problems it is very stable on my system, much more
than previous builds. I cant say I had a crash with this build at all in
fact.

Thanks,
Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com [mailto:bounce-186820-
xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Don Burn
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 4:53 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: Re:[ntdev] Windbg displaying decimal

Well instead of poping out the calculator, click on typecast and make the
type unsigned long, this will give you hex. I still have the docking
hell,
to the point I no longer use 6.3.0017. Anybody want to give a decent
explanation how to fix docking hell, and no the flippant comments about
using multiple monitors just makes me tell my customers to stay away from
6.3.0017 except to file bugs.

Of course the fact that it also routinely locks my machine, and
Microsoft’s
answer to this is “start another copy of WinDBG on the system and force a
dump”, to which I reply “It locks my system, how the hell do you start a
program when the only thing that works it the power button!”

–
Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting

“Rob Green” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> > Ok, this is driving me nuts. Windbg 6.3.0017.0 (and earlier versions)
> > display NTSTATUS as a decimal number. So now I have -1073741791 which I
> > must then pop out the calculator and cut and paste the code, then
> > 0xc0000021. Also, half my display is in decimal and the other half is
> in
> > hex. It appears 64 bit numbers are in decimal, while everything else is
> in
> > hex except for NTSTATUS! How do I fix this? The old windbg had an
> option
> > saying whether you wanted hex or decimal if you right click.
> >
> > On windbg annoyances, you used to be able to right click in certain
> windows
> > (such as source code) and select things like “Execute to here, set
> > instruction pointer to here, etc…”, but that now does a paste into the
> > command window, even when that window is not the current window. I am
> > forced to use the menu system or remember the shortcut keys.
> >
> > And like everyone else, I went through docking hell. Once I have it
> laid
> > out like I like, it is fine. (I have source code in top docked half, and
> > bottom docked half is locals, calls, and command windows.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Rob
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> —
> Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
> http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>
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5

Try “.enable_long_status 1” and see if that helps your cause at all.

-scott

–
Scott Noone
Software Engineer
OSR Open Systems Resources, Inc.
http://www.osronline.com

“Rob Green” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
That is clever. Didn’t know you could do that and will help for some other
things. However I still want ALL numbers in hex by default instead of
having to change something on every loop or function invocation.

Once its set up it is nice, but figuring out how to set it up is the
problem, especially since by default it creates new windows that change all
the other windows to fit them all on screen which is annoying when single
stepping through code.

Other than some minor problems it is very stable on my system, much more
than previous builds. I cant say I had a crash with this build at all in
fact.

Thanks,
Rob

> -----Original Message-----
> From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com [mailto:bounce-186820-
> xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Don Burn
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 4:53 PM
> To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> Subject: Re:[ntdev] Windbg displaying decimal
>
> Well instead of poping out the calculator, click on typecast and make the
> type unsigned long, this will give you hex. I still have the docking
> hell,
> to the point I no longer use 6.3.0017. Anybody want to give a decent
> explanation how to fix docking hell, and no the flippant comments about
> using multiple monitors just makes me tell my customers to stay away from
> 6.3.0017 except to file bugs.
>
> Of course the fact that it also routinely locks my machine, and
> Microsoft’s
> answer to this is “start another copy of WinDBG on the system and force a
> dump”, to which I reply “It locks my system, how the hell do you start a
> program when the only thing that works it the power button!”
>
>
> –
> Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
> Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
>
>
> “Rob Green” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> > Ok, this is driving me nuts. Windbg 6.3.0017.0 (and earlier versions)
> > display NTSTATUS as a decimal number. So now I have -1073741791 which I
> > must then pop out the calculator and cut and paste the code, then
> > 0xc0000021. Also, half my display is in decimal and the other half is
> in
> > hex. It appears 64 bit numbers are in decimal, while everything else is
> in
> > hex except for NTSTATUS! How do I fix this? The old windbg had an
> option
> > saying whether you wanted hex or decimal if you right click.
> >
> > On windbg annoyances, you used to be able to right click in certain
> windows
> > (such as source code) and select things like “Execute to here, set
> > instruction pointer to here, etc…”, but that now does a paste into the
> > command window, even when that window is not the current window. I am
> > forced to use the menu system or remember the shortcut keys.
> >
> > And like everyone else, I went through docking hell. Once I have it
> laid
> > out like I like, it is fine. (I have source code in top docked half, and
> > bottom docked half is locals, calls, and command windows.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Rob
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> —
> Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
> http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>
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6

That and
.force_radix_output 1

did what I wanted. Why is this hidden now (or at least not available via
the menus like it use to be)

Thanks,
Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com [mailto:bounce-186825-
xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Scott Noone
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 5:44 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: Re:[ntdev] Windbg displaying decimal

Try “.enable_long_status 1” and see if that helps your cause at all.

-scott

–
Scott Noone
Software Engineer
OSR Open Systems Resources, Inc.
http://www.osronline.com

“Rob Green” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> That is clever. Didn’t know you could do that and will help for some
> other
> things. However I still want ALL numbers in hex by default instead of
> having to change something on every loop or function invocation.
>
> Once its set up it is nice, but figuring out how to set it up is the
> problem, especially since by default it creates new windows that change
> all
> the other windows to fit them all on screen which is annoying when single
> stepping through code.
>
> Other than some minor problems it is very stable on my system, much more
> than previous builds. I cant say I had a crash with this build at all in
> fact.
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com [mailto:bounce-186820-
> > xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Don Burn
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 4:53 PM
> > To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> > Subject: Re:[ntdev] Windbg displaying decimal
> >
> > Well instead of poping out the calculator, click on typecast and make
> the
> > type unsigned long, this will give you hex. I still have the docking
> > hell,
> > to the point I no longer use 6.3.0017. Anybody want to give a decent
> > explanation how to fix docking hell, and no the flippant comments about
> > using multiple monitors just makes me tell my customers to stay away
> from
> > 6.3.0017 except to file bugs.
> >
> > Of course the fact that it also routinely locks my machine, and
> > Microsoft’s
> > answer to this is “start another copy of WinDBG on the system and force
> a
> > dump”, to which I reply “It locks my system, how the hell do you start a
> > program when the only thing that works it the power button!”
> >
> >
> > –
> > Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
> > Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
> >
> >
> > “Rob Green” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> > > Ok, this is driving me nuts. Windbg 6.3.0017.0 (and earlier versions)
> > > display NTSTATUS as a decimal number. So now I have -1073741791 which
> I
> > > must then pop out the calculator and cut and paste the code, then
> > > 0xc0000021. Also, half my display is in decimal and the other half is
> > in
> > > hex. It appears 64 bit numbers are in decimal, while everything else
> is
> > in
> > > hex except for NTSTATUS! How do I fix this? The old windbg had an
> > option
> > > saying whether you wanted hex or decimal if you right click.
> > >
> > > On windbg annoyances, you used to be able to right click in certain
> > windows
> > > (such as source code) and select things like “Execute to here, set
> > > instruction pointer to here, etc…”, but that now does a paste into
> the
> > > command window, even when that window is not the current window. I am
> > > forced to use the menu system or remember the shortcut keys.
> > >
> > > And like everyone else, I went through docking hell. Once I have it
> > laid
> > > out like I like, it is fine. (I have source code in top docked half,
> and
> > > bottom docked half is locals, calls, and command windows.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Rob
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > —
> > Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
> > http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
> >
> > You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@cdp.com
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>
>
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7

You can change the Type from long to DWORD. Then Windbg will convert the
Value from Decimal to Hexadecimal. You will get the type information by
clicking on the Typecast button in the Locals window or watch window.
-chandu
Positive Networks
www.positivenetworks.net

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Green [mailto:xxxxx@cdp.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 3:42 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Windbg displaying decimal

Ok, this is driving me nuts. Windbg 6.3.0017.0 (and earlier versions)
display NTSTATUS as a decimal number. So now I have -1073741791 which I
must then pop out the calculator and cut and paste the code, then
0xc0000021. Also, half my display is in decimal and the other half is
in hex. It appears 64 bit numbers are in decimal, while everything else
is in hex except for NTSTATUS! How do I fix this? The old windbg had
an option saying whether you wanted hex or decimal if you right click.

On windbg annoyances, you used to be able to right click in certain
windows (such as source code) and select things like “Execute to here,
set instruction pointer to here, etc…”, but that now does a paste into
the command window, even when that window is not the current window. I
am forced to use the menu system or remember the shortcut keys.

And like everyone else, I went through docking hell. Once I have it
laid out like I like, it is fine. (I have source code in top docked
half, and bottom docked half is locals, calls, and command windows.

Thanks,
Rob

Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256

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8

If you are modifying your software under test so that your debugger user
interface is nice, you are doing something horribly wrong.

Try .force_radix_output 1 ; .enable_unicode 1

This will get you hex mode and also will display unicode strings as strings.
Reading the manual helps.

As for the inimitable Mr. Burn’s problem with the 'bag’s new UI: it does
actually work, at least for me, and after about a week or so of cursing,
fighting, rending of cloth, etc. I learned how to gesture with the docking
windows with enough facility to actually make them more useful than the
previous version, even without the luxury of multiple displays. Once you get
the hang of it, and I admit that it is a bit rough to do so, you will spend
a lot less time moving windows around so you can see what you are looking
at.

-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of
Chandra Sekhar Surapaneni
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 7:18 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: RE: [ntdev] Windbg displaying decimal

You can change the Type from long to DWORD. Then Windbg will
convert the Value from Decimal to Hexadecimal. You will get
the type information by clicking on the Typecast button in
the Locals window or watch window.
-chandu
Positive Networks
www.positivenetworks.net

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Green [mailto:xxxxx@cdp.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 3:42 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Windbg displaying decimal

Ok, this is driving me nuts. Windbg 6.3.0017.0 (and earlier
versions) display NTSTATUS as a decimal number. So now I
have -1073741791 which I must then pop out the calculator and
cut and paste the code, then 0xc0000021. Also, half my
display is in decimal and the other half is in hex. It
appears 64 bit numbers are in decimal, while everything else
is in hex except for NTSTATUS! How do I fix this? The old
windbg had an option saying whether you wanted hex or decimal
if you right click.

On windbg annoyances, you used to be able to right click in
certain windows (such as source code) and select things like
“Execute to here, set instruction pointer to here, etc…”,
but that now does a paste into the command window, even when
that window is not the current window. I am forced to use
the menu system or remember the shortcut keys.

And like everyone else, I went through docking hell. Once I
have it laid out like I like, it is fine. (I have source code
in top docked half, and bottom docked half is locals, calls,
and command windows.

Thanks,
Rob

Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256

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9

I didn’t know about the .enable_unicode either. That also burned my
britches it couldn’t display wide strings (though it can now do
UNICODE_STRINGs which is great).

I also agree the new ui is better than the old. I think it has to do with
defaults, iow, Microsoft picked the wrong ones as it defaults to new windows
for every thing, which is fine for non-source code windows. But when single
stepping through the code after about 5 sources each window is 5 lines by 5
chars. Not very useable.

Thanks,
Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com [mailto:bounce-186832-
xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roddy
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:01 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: RE: [ntdev] Windbg displaying decimal

If you are modifying your software under test so that your debugger user
interface is nice, you are doing something horribly wrong.

Try .force_radix_output 1 ; .enable_unicode 1

This will get you hex mode and also will display unicode strings as
strings.
Reading the manual helps.

As for the inimitable Mr. Burn’s problem with the 'bag’s new UI: it does
actually work, at least for me, and after about a week or so of cursing,
fighting, rending of cloth, etc. I learned how to gesture with the docking
windows with enough facility to actually make them more useful than the
previous version, even without the luxury of multiple displays. Once you
get
the hang of it, and I admit that it is a bit rough to do so, you will
spend
a lot less time moving windows around so you can see what you are looking
at.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of
> Chandra Sekhar Surapaneni
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 7:18 PM
> To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> Subject: RE: [ntdev] Windbg displaying decimal
>
> You can change the Type from long to DWORD. Then Windbg will
> convert the Value from Decimal to Hexadecimal. You will get
> the type information by clicking on the Typecast button in
> the Locals window or watch window.
> -chandu
> Positive Networks
> www.positivenetworks.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Green [mailto:xxxxx@cdp.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 3:42 PM
> To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> Subject: [ntdev] Windbg displaying decimal
>
> Ok, this is driving me nuts. Windbg 6.3.0017.0 (and earlier
> versions) display NTSTATUS as a decimal number. So now I
> have -1073741791 which I must then pop out the calculator and
> cut and paste the code, then 0xc0000021. Also, half my
> display is in decimal and the other half is in hex. It
> appears 64 bit numbers are in decimal, while everything else
> is in hex except for NTSTATUS! How do I fix this? The old
> windbg had an option saying whether you wanted hex or decimal
> if you right click.
>
> On windbg annoyances, you used to be able to right click in
> certain windows (such as source code) and select things like
> “Execute to here, set instruction pointer to here, etc…”,
> but that now does a paste into the command window, even when
> that window is not the current window. I am forced to use
> the menu system or remember the shortcut keys.
>
> And like everyone else, I went through docking hell. Once I
> have it laid out like I like, it is fine. (I have source code
> in top docked half, and bottom docked half is locals, calls,
> and command windows.
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
>
>
>
>
> —
> Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
> http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>
> You are currently subscribed to ntdev as:
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> to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>
>
>
> —
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>
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From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com[SMTP:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] on behalf of Don Burn[SMTP:xxxxx@acm.org]
Reply To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 10:53 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: Re:[ntdev] Windbg displaying decimal

Of course the fact that it also routinely locks my machine, and Microsoft’s
answer to this is “start another copy of WinDBG on the system and force a
dump”, to which I reply “It locks my system, how the hell do you start a
program when the only thing that works it the power button!”

Have you tried to enable keyboard driver to generate crashdump on RightCtrl-ScrollLock-ScrollLock? It might work even on locked system. Very useful thing; it helped me a lot when I had to solve deadlock during suspend on user’s machine.

Best regards,

Michal Vodicka
UPEK, Inc.
[xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]

11

I offered that, but they wanted a forced crash of WinDBG. It really gets
tiring rebooting your system twice an hour, and trying to learn a new
interface. Bottom line, is I can’t get the shit to be stable enough to use.
It got bad enough I was prorating my billing to customers since I couldn’t
justify forcing them to pay for my learning a crappy tool. I spoke to
Microsoft about this a WinHEC and decided, that I wouldn’t get anywhere.

–
Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting

“Michal Vodicka” wrote in message
news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> ----------
> From:
xxxxx@lists.osr.com[SMTP:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] on
behalf of Don Burn[SMTP:xxxxx@acm.org]
> Reply To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 10:53 PM
> To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> Subject: Re:[ntdev] Windbg displaying decimal
>
> Of course the fact that it also routinely locks my machine, and
Microsoft’s
> answer to this is “start another copy of WinDBG on the system and force a
> dump”, to which I reply “It locks my system, how the hell do you start a
> program when the only thing that works it the power button!”
>
Have you tried to enable keyboard driver to generate crashdump on
RightCtrl-ScrollLock-ScrollLock? It might work even on locked system. Very
useful thing; it helped me a lot when I had to solve deadlock during suspend
on user’s machine.

Best regards,

Michal Vodicka
UPEK, Inc.
[xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]

12

Right click the Locals window handle and select “Display 16-bit …”

I have no docking issues at all, but then I note that under Window I have
none of the docking options selected. I size and place my own windows and
leave them alone.

–
The personal opinion of
Gary G. Little

“Rob Green” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> Ok, this is driving me nuts. Windbg 6.3.0017.0 (and earlier versions)
> display NTSTATUS as a decimal number. So now I have -1073741791 which I
> must then pop out the calculator and cut and paste the code, then
> 0xc0000021. Also, half my display is in decimal and the other half is in
> hex. It appears 64 bit numbers are in decimal, while everything else is
in
> hex except for NTSTATUS! How do I fix this? The old windbg had an option
> saying whether you wanted hex or decimal if you right click.
>
> On windbg annoyances, you used to be able to right click in certain
windows
> (such as source code) and select things like “Execute to here, set
> instruction pointer to here, etc…”, but that now does a paste into the
> command window, even when that window is not the current window. I am
> forced to use the menu system or remember the shortcut keys.
>
> And like everyone else, I went through docking hell. Once I have it laid
> out like I like, it is fine. (I have source code in top docked half, and
> bottom docked half is locals, calls, and command windows.
>
> Thanks,
> Rob
>
>
>
>

13

I tried the new version on a co-workers machine. I was trying to show him
how easy it was to setup WinDbg. Too bad like NONE of the commands worked
on his machine. I couldn’t get a complete loaded modules list, I could not
get the symbols to resolve (even though the same paths and such work on my
machine), I couldn’t get anything to work. We tried for about an hour and
then punted and went back to SoftICE. That was great as I have setup WinDbg
oh I don’t know a couple thousand times before without issue. I am scared
to install the new version on my machine because of this. After all, I have
work I need to get done.

My big complaint with WinDbg, and I was hoping this problem was going away,
is that it never settles down to a reasonable product. Most products go
through a Alpha/Beta/Ship cycle and then are really still Beta for some
time. Over time they tend to settle out and get usable. This thing is in
constant Alpha/Beta swings and never settles down. Some products would be
better paid for and thus someone could be held accountable. As it is, I
still can’t set a breakpoint from the GUI and have it be persistent as works
in every other debugger I have ever used (I don’t like having to break on
entry and reset all of my breakpoints or set them all from
command-line…just a personal pet peeve). The saved workspaces often don’t
seem to work correctly, or they are missing things like .kdfiles settings.
I mean I love retyping \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\mydriver.sys
c:\p4\drivers\mydriver\sys\objchk_wnet_x86\i386\mydriver.sys everytime I
restart WinDbg, which I am forced to do often as it gets out of whack.

I don’t know, I don’t have a lot of time to help with this either by sending
feedback. Actually, my previous attempts at this were not successful so I
have lost interest in sending feedback. I just don’t see WinDbg getting
more usable or stable over time. Kind of a pain actually as this is the key
tool I need to get my job done. I still have to carry around a CD with the
“golden” version that I know will work most of the time and that I know how
to get things done with.

Help?

–
Bill McKenzie
Software Engineer - Prism 802.11 Wireless Solutions
Conexant Systems, Inc.

“Don Burn” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> I offered that, but they wanted a forced crash of WinDBG. It really gets
> tiring rebooting your system twice an hour, and trying to learn a new
> interface. Bottom line, is I can’t get the shit to be stable enough to
use.
> It got bad enough I was prorating my billing to customers since I couldn’t
> justify forcing them to pay for my learning a crappy tool. I spoke to
> Microsoft about this a WinHEC and decided, that I wouldn’t get anywhere.
>
>
> –
> Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
> Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
>
>
>
> “Michal Vodicka” wrote in message
> news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> > ----------
> > From:
> xxxxx@lists.osr.com[SMTP:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]
on
> behalf of Don Burn[SMTP:xxxxx@acm.org]
> > Reply To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 10:53 PM
> > To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> > Subject: Re:[ntdev] Windbg displaying decimal
> >
> > Of course the fact that it also routinely locks my machine, and
> Microsoft’s
> > answer to this is “start another copy of WinDBG on the system and force
a
> > dump”, to which I reply “It locks my system, how the hell do you start a
> > program when the only thing that works it the power button!”
> >
> Have you tried to enable keyboard driver to generate crashdump on
> RightCtrl-ScrollLock-ScrollLock? It might work even on locked system. Very
> useful thing; it helped me a lot when I had to solve deadlock during
suspend
> on user’s machine.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Michal Vodicka
> UPEK, Inc.
> [xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
>
>
>
>

14

Adding more fuel Bill :slight_smile:

Commands are also changed, some dot cmds are now bang(s) cmd or without
dot/bang.

!drivers the good old function is gone, the docking says you dock your
career and retire ! If you complain too much I would say Bill, print out the
docs that comes with the help, set aside about 3 months time (possibly w/o
pay, meditate, motivate yourself, then try and figure out). Well, I just
keep as you do old good version(s). Saving a workspace must have been
introduced at least two years back and still does not work, if something
stays that long, that is a feature now, I’m learning to leave with but at 50
learning is slow.

Just an aside, I just finished installing SP2 of XP, and found that Windows
security tells me there is no antivirus on, and when I run the virus checker
( symantec ) it reports at least 6 modules ( or whatever) are suspected and
guess where they came from. WISHFULL THINKING, IF I WERE A KING, I WOULD
HAVE INVITED TWO TEAMS IN A PARTY WITH MILLION KEGS OF BEAR, SOME BILLION
GALLONS OF WINE, … AND HAVE THEM JUSTIFY WHY THE HELL A LAME USER WOULD
CARE ABOUT IT. The fighting would only be allowed with mud and sumo
wrestling type…

So when someone says Softice is bad, I go try to compute different subset of
BULLSHIT ( any combination of small/caps are allowed, I know permutation is
little easier, but subset is sure a pain )

-pro

-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]On Behalf Of Bill McKenzie
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 9:06 AM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: Re:[ntdev] Windbg displaying decimal

I tried the new version on a co-workers machine. I was trying to show him
how easy it was to setup WinDbg. Too bad like NONE of the commands worked
on his machine. I couldn’t get a complete loaded modules list, I could not
get the symbols to resolve (even though the same paths and such work on my
machine), I couldn’t get anything to work. We tried for about an hour and
then punted and went back to SoftICE. That was great as I have setup WinDbg
oh I don’t know a couple thousand times before without issue. I am scared
to install the new version on my machine because of this. After all, I have
work I need to get done.

My big complaint with WinDbg, and I was hoping this problem was going away,
is that it never settles down to a reasonable product. Most products go
through a Alpha/Beta/Ship cycle and then are really still Beta for some
time. Over time they tend to settle out and get usable. This thing is in
constant Alpha/Beta swings and never settles down. Some products would be
better paid for and thus someone could be held accountable. As it is, I
still can’t set a breakpoint from the GUI and have it be persistent as works
in every other debugger I have ever used (I don’t like having to break on
entry and reset all of my breakpoints or set them all from
command-line…just a personal pet peeve). The saved workspaces often don’t
seem to work correctly, or they are missing things like .kdfiles settings.
I mean I love retyping \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\mydriver.sys
c:\p4\drivers\mydriver\sys\objchk_wnet_x86\i386\mydriver.sys everytime I
restart WinDbg, which I am forced to do often as it gets out of whack.

I don’t know, I don’t have a lot of time to help with this either by sending
feedback. Actually, my previous attempts at this were not successful so I
have lost interest in sending feedback. I just don’t see WinDbg getting
more usable or stable over time. Kind of a pain actually as this is the key
tool I need to get my job done. I still have to carry around a CD with the
“golden” version that I know will work most of the time and that I know how
to get things done with.

Help?

–
Bill McKenzie
Software Engineer - Prism 802.11 Wireless Solutions
Conexant Systems, Inc.

“Don Burn” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> I offered that, but they wanted a forced crash of WinDBG. It really gets
> tiring rebooting your system twice an hour, and trying to learn a new
> interface. Bottom line, is I can’t get the shit to be stable enough to
use.
> It got bad enough I was prorating my billing to customers since I couldn’t
> justify forcing them to pay for my learning a crappy tool. I spoke to
> Microsoft about this a WinHEC and decided, that I wouldn’t get anywhere.
>
>
> –
> Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
> Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
>
>
>
> “Michal Vodicka” wrote in message
> news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> > ----------
> > From:
> xxxxx@lists.osr.com[SMTP:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]
on
> behalf of Don Burn[SMTP:xxxxx@acm.org]
> > Reply To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 10:53 PM
> > To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> > Subject: Re:[ntdev] Windbg displaying decimal
> >
> > Of course the fact that it also routinely locks my machine, and
> Microsoft’s
> > answer to this is “start another copy of WinDBG on the system and force
a
> > dump”, to which I reply “It locks my system, how the hell do you start a
> > program when the only thing that works it the power button!”
> >
> Have you tried to enable keyboard driver to generate crashdump on
> RightCtrl-ScrollLock-ScrollLock? It might work even on locked system. Very
> useful thing; it helped me a lot when I had to solve deadlock during
suspend
> on user’s machine.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Michal Vodicka
> UPEK, Inc.
> [xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
>
>
>
>

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15

Since I’m the one who started this, I will say though I think the current
version of THE BAG is crap, I have never even in bad old days of WinDBG had
it:

  1. Create conditions that appear to be failure in a driver and
    actually were not
  2. Modify the behavior of the base OS just slightly so a driver acts
    differently (uh works under the debugger alway fails without!)
  3. Not work with a particular version of Windows

I have seen the above from that PIECE OF GARBAGE FROM NUMEGA often enough
that I refuse to use it.

–
Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
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“Prokash Sinha” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> Adding more fuel Bill :slight_smile:
>
> So when someone says Softice is bad, I go try to compute different subset
of
> BULLSHIT ( any combination of small/caps are allowed, I know permutation
is
> little easier, but subset is sure a pain )
>
> -pro
>

16

Yes, I agree on this they both may have shown their deficiencies !!. But one
thing that reminds me is that there are articles/ad against SoftIce, and we
all know. I just uses both products for my day to day life, so I just dont
want to be as fanciful as I see on those articles/Ad or subjects. Here is an
example of being fancifull.

A friend of mine worked most of the time with sun systems, he could retire
anytime he wants. Now SUN became a penny stock, and he dreams about the
whole computing would be ( and soon ) based on phone services, you plug
something and you have a terminal of enormous computing — this is, IMO, a
fanciful thinking, and damn right against MS windows.

Another friend of mine with the same background says " Hell, we even dont
have a good kernel debugger … we start good ideas, and as soon as the
research is done, we don’t know how to productize" — This is, IMO very
pragmatic, and I have lot of respect for it, it is surely not fancifull.

-pro

-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]On Behalf Of Don Burn
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 10:00 AM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: Re:[ntdev] Windbg displaying decimal

Since I’m the one who started this, I will say though I think the current
version of THE BAG is crap, I have never even in bad old days of WinDBG had
it:

  1. Create conditions that appear to be failure in a driver and
    actually were not
  2. Modify the behavior of the base OS just slightly so a driver acts
    differently (uh works under the debugger alway fails without!)
  3. Not work with a particular version of Windows

I have seen the above from that PIECE OF GARBAGE FROM NUMEGA often enough
that I refuse to use it.

–
Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
Remove StopSpam from the email to reply

“Prokash Sinha” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> Adding more fuel Bill :slight_smile:
>
> So when someone says Softice is bad, I go try to compute different subset
of
> BULLSHIT ( any combination of small/caps are allowed, I know permutation
is
> little easier, but subset is sure a pain )
>
> -pro
>

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I don’t get the ! vs . complaint.

The idea behind ! vs . was to separate command namespaces. Extensions
start with ! and built-in commands start with .

All well and good. However as commands moved from extensions to be
built-in commands people would have to change what they type.

So to be backwards compatible the ! vs . really tells the debugger where
to look first. If it doesn’t find the command in the first source
(extension or built-in) then it searches the other location.

Since most commands are unique what winds up happening is that it
typically doesn’t matter if you type !command or .command.

I can’t think of any command off the top of my help which lost the ! or
. at some point.

For !drivers the docs say that it has been superseded by the lm command,
but is still available for NT 4 & Win2k.

-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Prokash Sinha
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 9:40 AM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: RE: [ntdev] Windbg displaying decimal

Adding more fuel Bill :slight_smile:

Commands are also changed, some dot cmds are now bang(s) cmd or without
dot/bang.

!drivers the good old function is gone, the docking says you dock your
career and retire ! If you complain too much I would say Bill, print out
the
docs that comes with the help, set aside about 3 months time (possibly
w/o
pay, meditate, motivate yourself, then try and figure out). Well, I just
keep as you do old good version(s). Saving a workspace must have been
introduced at least two years back and still does not work, if something
stays that long, that is a feature now, I’m learning to leave with but
at 50
learning is slow.

Just an aside, I just finished installing SP2 of XP, and found that
Windows
security tells me there is no antivirus on, and when I run the virus
checker
( symantec ) it reports at least 6 modules ( or whatever) are suspected
and
guess where they came from. WISHFULL THINKING, IF I WERE A KING, I WOULD
HAVE INVITED TWO TEAMS IN A PARTY WITH MILLION KEGS OF BEAR, SOME
BILLION
GALLONS OF WINE, … AND HAVE THEM JUSTIFY WHY THE HELL A LAME USER
WOULD
CARE ABOUT IT. The fighting would only be allowed with mud and sumo
wrestling type…

So when someone says Softice is bad, I go try to compute different
subset of
BULLSHIT ( any combination of small/caps are allowed, I know permutation
is
little easier, but subset is sure a pain )

-pro

-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]On Behalf Of Bill McKenzie
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 9:06 AM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: Re:[ntdev] Windbg displaying decimal

I tried the new version on a co-workers machine. I was trying to show
him
how easy it was to setup WinDbg. Too bad like NONE of the commands
worked
on his machine. I couldn’t get a complete loaded modules list, I could
not
get the symbols to resolve (even though the same paths and such work on
my
machine), I couldn’t get anything to work. We tried for about an hour
and
then punted and went back to SoftICE. That was great as I have setup
WinDbg
oh I don’t know a couple thousand times before without issue. I am
scared
to install the new version on my machine because of this. After all, I
have
work I need to get done.

My big complaint with WinDbg, and I was hoping this problem was going
away,
is that it never settles down to a reasonable product. Most products go
through a Alpha/Beta/Ship cycle and then are really still Beta for some
time. Over time they tend to settle out and get usable. This thing is
in
constant Alpha/Beta swings and never settles down. Some products would
be
better paid for and thus someone could be held accountable. As it is, I
still can’t set a breakpoint from the GUI and have it be persistent as
works
in every other debugger I have ever used (I don’t like having to break
on
entry and reset all of my breakpoints or set them all from
command-line…just a personal pet peeve). The saved workspaces often
don’t
seem to work correctly, or they are missing things like .kdfiles
settings.
I mean I love retyping \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\mydriver.sys
c:\p4\drivers\mydriver\sys\objchk_wnet_x86\i386\mydriver.sys everytime I
restart WinDbg, which I am forced to do often as it gets out of whack.

I don’t know, I don’t have a lot of time to help with this either by
sending
feedback. Actually, my previous attempts at this were not successful so
I
have lost interest in sending feedback. I just don’t see WinDbg getting
more usable or stable over time. Kind of a pain actually as this is the
key
tool I need to get my job done. I still have to carry around a CD with
the
“golden” version that I know will work most of the time and that I know
how
to get things done with.

Help?

–
Bill McKenzie
Software Engineer - Prism 802.11 Wireless Solutions
Conexant Systems, Inc.

“Don Burn” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> I offered that, but they wanted a forced crash of WinDBG. It really
gets
> tiring rebooting your system twice an hour, and trying to learn a new
> interface. Bottom line, is I can’t get the shit to be stable enough
to
use.
> It got bad enough I was prorating my billing to customers since I
couldn’t
> justify forcing them to pay for my learning a crappy tool. I spoke to
> Microsoft about this a WinHEC and decided, that I wouldn’t get
anywhere.
>
>
> –
> Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
> Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
>
>
>
> “Michal Vodicka” wrote in message
> news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> > ----------
> > From:
>
xxxxx@lists.osr.com[SMTP:xxxxx@lists.osr.com
]
on
> behalf of Don Burn[SMTP:xxxxx@acm.org]
> > Reply To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 10:53 PM
> > To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> > Subject: Re:[ntdev] Windbg displaying decimal
> >
> > Of course the fact that it also routinely locks my machine, and
> Microsoft’s
> > answer to this is “start another copy of WinDBG on the system and
force
a
> > dump”, to which I reply “It locks my system, how the hell do you
start a
> > program when the only thing that works it the power button!”
> >
> Have you tried to enable keyboard driver to generate crashdump on
> RightCtrl-ScrollLock-ScrollLock? It might work even on locked system.
Very
> useful thing; it helped me a lot when I had to solve deadlock during
suspend
> on user’s machine.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Michal Vodicka
> UPEK, Inc.
> [xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
>
>
>
>

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What about a compromise? I use WinDbg for crashdump analysis and SoftICE for debugging. The best of two worlds, I guess. One machine debugging with reasonable quality and usable analysis tool although the latest overdocked version doesn’t make me happy. Still much better UI than NuMega attempt to do the same thing.

Debugger always influences system behaviour, it is inevitable. Some bugs are very time sensitive and even very small change causes different results.

Anyway, I almost stopped using debuggers for stepping through code and use traces instead. Unified trace capability implemented whatever way saves and lot of time. When our QA find a problem, I tell them how to set traces, they reproduce problem and I usually see what’s wrong within minutes. The necessary condition is to use traces regularly in all the code. I haven’t found ETW usable for me but I appreciate MS made it standard OS part. As more and more developers use it, the quality of code will improve. Debuggers can help to solve beginners’ problems, traces are necessary for real ones.

Best regards,

Michal Vodicka
UPEK, Inc.
[xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]

From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com[SMTP:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] on behalf of Don Burn[SMTP:xxxxx@acm.org]
Reply To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 6:59 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: Re:[ntdev] Windbg displaying decimal

Since I’m the one who started this, I will say though I think the current
version of THE BAG is crap, I have never even in bad old days of WinDBG had
it:

  1. Create conditions that appear to be failure in a driver and
    actually were not
  2. Modify the behavior of the base OS just slightly so a driver acts
    differently (uh works under the debugger alway fails without!)
  3. Not work with a particular version of Windows

I have seen the above from that PIECE OF GARBAGE FROM NUMEGA often enough
that I refuse to use it.

–
Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
Remove StopSpam from the email to reply

“Prokash Sinha” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> > Adding more fuel Bill :slight_smile:
> >
> > So when someone says Softice is bad, I go try to compute different subset
> of
> > BULLSHIT ( any combination of small/caps are allowed, I know permutation
> is
> > little easier, but subset is sure a pain )
> >
> > -pro
> >
>
>
>
> —
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>
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19

The crap I was seeing was because of time sensitivity or similar items, it
was because NuMega seems to have the attitude if they don’t like a interface
roll their own, unfortunately they don’t always seem to understand what was
actually supposed to be done.

I’ve used OS debuggers for over 30 years, and written some debuggers (kernel
and user space), and I will never use SoftIce again.

–
Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
Remove StopSpam from the email to reply

“Michal Vodicka” wrote in message
news:xxxxx@ntdev…
Debugger always influences system behaviour, it is inevitable. Some bugs are
very time sensitive and even very small change causes different results.

> ----------
> From:
xxxxx@lists.osr.com[SMTP:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] on
behalf of Don Burn[SMTP:xxxxx@acm.org]
> Reply To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 6:59 PM
> To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> Subject: Re:[ntdev] Windbg displaying decimal
>
> Since I’m the one who started this, I will say though I think the current
> version of THE BAG is crap, I have never even in bad old days of WinDBG
had
> it:
>
> 1. Create conditions that appear to be failure in a driver and
> actually were not
> 2. Modify the behavior of the base OS just slightly so a driver acts
> differently (uh works under the debugger alway fails without!)
> 3. Not work with a particular version of Windows
>
> I have seen the above from that PIECE OF GARBAGE FROM NUMEGA often enough
> that I refuse to use it.
>
>
> –
> Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
> Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
> Remove StopSpam from the email to reply
>
> “Prokash Sinha” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> > Adding more fuel Bill :slight_smile:
> >
> > So when someone says Softice is bad, I go try to compute different
subset
> of
> > BULLSHIT ( any combination of small/caps are allowed, I know permutation
> is
> > little easier, but subset is sure a pain )
> >
> > -pro
> >
>
>
>
> —
> Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>
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>

20

> ----------

From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com[SMTP:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] on behalf of Don Burn[SMTP:xxxxx@acm.org]
Reply To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 8:23 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: Re:[ntdev] Windbg displaying decimal

The crap I was seeing was because of time sensitivity or similar items, it
was because NuMega seems to have the attitude if they don’t like a interface
roll their own, unfortunately they don’t always seem to understand what was
actually supposed to be done.

If I understand you correctly, you don’t like their user interface. It always depends on personal preferences. Personally, I’m rather satisfied with old text mode SoftICE UI and the new Visual SoftICE GUI makes me crazy. The same GUI is used for crashdump analysis and although I really tried to use it for real-life dumps, I always gave up after 10 - 15 minutes and used WinDbg instead. The GUI seems as written by people who never user it for real work (and I reported it several times, Alberto :slight_smile:

Best regards,

Michal Vodicka
UPEK, Inc.
[xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]