What do I need (MSDN, DDK, IFS)

NTDEV
1

Greetings,

I need write a device driver and file system and I’m not sure what I
need from Microsoft…

Is the IFS kit a superset of the DDK (only need to buy IFS)?
To run on a checked version of the OS, I need to get the MSDN
(professional) subscription. It appears that MSDN contains the DDK, does
it include the IFS kit as well?
My basic question is, starting from scratch, what do I need to buy for
each developer of a Windows driver and/or file system?
MSDN only?
MSDN + IFS?

Thanks in advance,
-bob

2

The IFS kit is a superset of the DDK. MSDN only contains the DDK. In the
future the WDK (Windows Driver Kit) will replace the DDK, and the WDK
includes the IFS kit. You need MSDN for a full checked build, a partial
checked build (i.e. the kernel and the HAL) can be achieved by extracting
the files from the checked service packs which are available free of charge.

So today you need at least the IFS kit (and yes MSDN is recomended) for file
system development.

Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
Remove StopSpam from the email to reply

----- Original Message -----
From: “Bob Nelson”
To: “Windows System Software Devs Interest List”
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:58 AM
Subject: [ntdev] What do I need (MSDN, DDK, IFS)

> Greetings,
>
> I need write a device driver and file system and I’m not sure what I need
> from Microsoft…
>
> Is the IFS kit a superset of the DDK (only need to buy IFS)?
> To run on a checked version of the OS, I need to get the MSDN
> (professional) subscription. It appears that MSDN contains the DDK, does
> it include the IFS kit as well?
> My basic question is, starting from scratch, what do I need to buy for
> each developer of a Windows driver and/or file system?
> MSDN only?
> MSDN + IFS?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> -bob
>
> —
> Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
> http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>
> You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@acm.org
> To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>

3

Thanks Don! The confusing part is that the DDK is more expensive that
the IFS…
Any idea on when the WDK will be made available? Do you know if it will
it be included in MSDN professional?
Thanks for the tip on the (free) partial checked builds.

-bob

Don Burn wrote:

The IFS kit is a superset of the DDK. MSDN only contains the DDK. In
the future the WDK (Windows Driver Kit) will replace the DDK, and the
WDK includes the IFS kit. You need MSDN for a full checked build, a
partial checked build (i.e. the kernel and the HAL) can be achieved by
extracting the files from the checked service packs which are
available free of charge.

So today you need at least the IFS kit (and yes MSDN is recomended)
for file system development.

Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
Remove StopSpam from the email to reply

----- Original Message ----- From: “Bob Nelson”
> To: “Windows System Software Devs Interest List”
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:58 AM
> Subject: [ntdev] What do I need (MSDN, DDK, IFS)
>
>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> I need write a device driver and file system and I’m not sure what I
>> need from Microsoft…
>>
>> Is the IFS kit a superset of the DDK (only need to buy IFS)?
>> To run on a checked version of the OS, I need to get the MSDN
>> (professional) subscription. It appears that MSDN contains the DDK,
>> does it include the IFS kit as well?
>> My basic question is, starting from scratch, what do I need to buy
>> for each developer of a Windows driver and/or file system?
>> MSDN only?
>> MSDN + IFS?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> -bob
>>
>> —
>> Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
>> http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>>
>> You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@acm.org
>> To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>>
>
>
> —
> Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
> http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>
> You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@oracle.com
> To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>

4

Bob,

You are confusing the “DDK Suite” with the DDK, the DDK is available for
the cost of shipping. The “DDK suite” includes a lot of other material
including recodings of coferences and back issues of the NT Insider. The
WDK beta is supposed to start ths summer, with the actual release with
Longhorn.

Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
Remove StopSpam from the email to reply

----- Original Message -----
From: “Bob Nelson”
To: “Windows System Software Devs Interest List”
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [ntdev] What do I need (MSDN, DDK, IFS)

> Thanks Don! The confusing part is that the DDK is more expensive that the
> IFS…
> Any idea on when the WDK will be made available? Do you know if it will
> it be included in MSDN professional?
> Thanks for the tip on the (free) partial checked builds.
>
> -bob
>
>
> Don Burn wrote:
>
>> The IFS kit is a superset of the DDK. MSDN only contains the DDK. In
>> the future the WDK (Windows Driver Kit) will replace the DDK, and the WDK
>> includes the IFS kit. You need MSDN for a full checked build, a partial
>> checked build (i.e. the kernel and the HAL) can be achieved by extracting
>> the files from the checked service packs which are available free of
>> charge.
>>
>> So today you need at least the IFS kit (and yes MSDN is recomended) for
>> file system development.
>>
>> Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
>> Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
>> Remove StopSpam from the email to reply
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: “Bob Nelson”
>> To: “Windows System Software Devs Interest List”
>> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:58 AM
>> Subject: [ntdev] What do I need (MSDN, DDK, IFS)
>>
>>
>>> Greetings,
>>>
>>> I need write a device driver and file system and I’m not sure what I
>>> need from Microsoft…
>>>
>>> Is the IFS kit a superset of the DDK (only need to buy IFS)?
>>> To run on a checked version of the OS, I need to get the MSDN
>>> (professional) subscription. It appears that MSDN contains the DDK, does
>>> it include the IFS kit as well?
>>> My basic question is, starting from scratch, what do I need to buy for
>>> each developer of a Windows driver and/or file system?
>>> MSDN only?
>>> MSDN + IFS?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> -bob
>>>
>>> —
>>> Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
>>> http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>>>
>>> You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@acm.org
>>> To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>>>
>>
>>
>> —
>> Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
>> http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>>
>> You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@oracle.com
>> To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>>
>
>
> —
> Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
> http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>
> You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@acm.org
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>

5

I’m going to have to disagree on at least one point: the DDK is not more
expensive than the IFS Kit. The DDK (and I *just* checked this) still
has a retail price of $0.00. All you have to pay for is the shipping
and handling. The IFS Kit is $109 + s/h.

There is also a “DDK Suite” that contains the DDK plus other (optional)
pieces that is $199.00, but the two should not be confused. The DDK is
free, the “DDK Suite” is $199.00.

The WDK will be released during the Longhorn development cycle; at some
point a beta of Longhorn, and no doubt the WDK, will be generally
available to MSDN subscribers. However, you can also join the beta
program and gain access to it before that time.

Regards,

Tony

Tony Mason
Consulting Partner
OSR Open Systems Resources, Inc.
http://www.osr.com

-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Bob Nelson
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:17 AM
To: ntdev redirect
Subject: Re: [ntdev] What do I need (MSDN, DDK, IFS)

Thanks Don! The confusing part is that the DDK is more expensive that
the IFS…
Any idea on when the WDK will be made available? Do you know if it will

it be included in MSDN professional?
Thanks for the tip on the (free) partial checked builds.

-bob

Don Burn wrote:

The IFS kit is a superset of the DDK. MSDN only contains the DDK. In

the future the WDK (Windows Driver Kit) will replace the DDK, and the
WDK includes the IFS kit. You need MSDN for a full checked build, a
partial checked build (i.e. the kernel and the HAL) can be achieved by

extracting the files from the checked service packs which are
available free of charge.

So today you need at least the IFS kit (and yes MSDN is recomended)
for file system development.

Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
Remove StopSpam from the email to reply

----- Original Message ----- From: “Bob Nelson”

> To: “Windows System Software Devs Interest List”
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:58 AM
> Subject: [ntdev] What do I need (MSDN, DDK, IFS)
>
>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> I need write a device driver and file system and I’m not sure what I
>> need from Microsoft…
>>
>> Is the IFS kit a superset of the DDK (only need to buy IFS)?
>> To run on a checked version of the OS, I need to get the MSDN
>> (professional) subscription. It appears that MSDN contains the DDK,
>> does it include the IFS kit as well?
>> My basic question is, starting from scratch, what do I need to buy
>> for each developer of a Windows driver and/or file system?
>> MSDN only?
>> MSDN + IFS?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> -bob
>>
>> —
>> Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
>> http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>>
>> You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@acm.org
>> To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>>
>
>
> —
> Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
> http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>
> You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@oracle.com
> To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>

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6

Thanks Tony (and Don), I did confuse the ‘DDK Suite’ with the DDK.

-bob

Tony Mason wrote:

I’m going to have to disagree on at least one point: the DDK is not more
expensive than the IFS Kit. The DDK (and I *just* checked this) still
has a retail price of $0.00. All you have to pay for is the shipping
and handling. The IFS Kit is $109 + s/h.

There is also a “DDK Suite” that contains the DDK plus other (optional)
pieces that is $199.00, but the two should not be confused. The DDK is
free, the “DDK Suite” is $199.00.

The WDK will be released during the Longhorn development cycle; at some
point a beta of Longhorn, and no doubt the WDK, will be generally
available to MSDN subscribers. However, you can also join the beta
program and gain access to it before that time.

Regards,

Tony

Tony Mason
Consulting Partner
OSR Open Systems Resources, Inc.
http://www.osr.com

-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Bob Nelson
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:17 AM
To: ntdev redirect
Subject: Re: [ntdev] What do I need (MSDN, DDK, IFS)

Thanks Don! The confusing part is that the DDK is more expensive that
the IFS…
Any idea on when the WDK will be made available? Do you know if it will

it be included in MSDN professional?
Thanks for the tip on the (free) partial checked builds.

-bob

Don Burn wrote:

>The IFS kit is a superset of the DDK. MSDN only contains the DDK. In
>
>

>the future the WDK (Windows Driver Kit) will replace the DDK, and the
>WDK includes the IFS kit. You need MSDN for a full checked build, a
>partial checked build (i.e. the kernel and the HAL) can be achieved by
>
>

>extracting the files from the checked service packs which are
>available free of charge.
>
>So today you need at least the IFS kit (and yes MSDN is recomended)
>for file system development.
>
>Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
>Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
>Remove StopSpam from the email to reply
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: “Bob Nelson”
>
>

>
>
>>To: “Windows System Software Devs Interest List”
>>Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:58 AM
>>Subject: [ntdev] What do I need (MSDN, DDK, IFS)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Greetings,
>>>
>>>I need write a device driver and file system and I’m not sure what I
>>>need from Microsoft…
>>>
>>>Is the IFS kit a superset of the DDK (only need to buy IFS)?
>>>To run on a checked version of the OS, I need to get the MSDN
>>>(professional) subscription. It appears that MSDN contains the DDK,
>>>does it include the IFS kit as well?
>>>My basic question is, starting from scratch, what do I need to buy
>>>for each developer of a Windows driver and/or file system?
>>> MSDN only?
>>> MSDN + IFS?
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance,
>>>-bob
>>>
>>>—
>>>Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
>>>http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>>>
>>>You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@acm.org
>>>To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>—
>>Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
>>http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>>
>>You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@oracle.com
>>To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>—
>Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
>http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>
>You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@osr.com
>To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>
>—
>Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>
>You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: ‘’
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>
>

7

Just wait until the new Visual Studio is released. The new price for the
most expensive MSDN is going up to about $11,000 not including taxes and
S&H. The annual renewal for that version is $3500. The professional is
split into two versions.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/howtobuy/vs2005/subscriptions/

“Bob Nelson” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> Thanks Tony (and Don), I did confuse the ‘DDK Suite’ with the DDK.
>
> -bob
>
> Tony Mason wrote:
>
>>I’m going to have to disagree on at least one point: the DDK is not more
>>expensive than the IFS Kit. The DDK (and I just checked this) still
>>has a retail price of $0.00. All you have to pay for is the shipping
>>and handling. The IFS Kit is $109 + s/h.
>>There is also a “DDK Suite” that contains the DDK plus other (optional)
>>pieces that is $199.00, but the two should not be confused. The DDK is
>>free, the “DDK Suite” is $199.00.
>>
>>The WDK will be released during the Longhorn development cycle; at some
>>point a beta of Longhorn, and no doubt the WDK, will be generally
>>available to MSDN subscribers. However, you can also join the beta
>>program and gain access to it before that time.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Tony
>>
>>Tony Mason
>>Consulting Partner
>>OSR Open Systems Resources, Inc.
>>http://www.osr.com
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>>[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Bob Nelson
>>Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:17 AM
>>To: ntdev redirect
>>Subject: Re: [ntdev] What do I need (MSDN, DDK, IFS)
>>
>>Thanks Don! The confusing part is that the DDK is more expensive that the
>>IFS…
>>Any idea on when the WDK will be made available? Do you know if it will
>>
>>it be included in MSDN professional?
>>Thanks for the tip on the (free) partial checked builds.
>>
>>-bob
>>
>>
>>Don Burn wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The IFS kit is a superset of the DDK. MSDN only contains the DDK. In
>>>
>>
>>
>>>the future the WDK (Windows Driver Kit) will replace the DDK, and the WDK
>>>includes the IFS kit. You need MSDN for a full checked build, a partial
>>>checked build (i.e. the kernel and the HAL) can be achieved by
>>>
>>
>>
>>>extracting the files from the checked service packs which are available
>>>free of charge.
>>>
>>>So today you need at least the IFS kit (and yes MSDN is recomended) for
>>>file system development.
>>>
>>>Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
>>>Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
>>>Remove StopSpam from the email to reply
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: “Bob Nelson”
>>>
>>
>>
>>>To: “Windows System Software Devs Interest List”
>>>Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:58 AM
>>>Subject: [ntdev] What do I need (MSDN, DDK, IFS)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Greetings,
>>>>
>>>>I need write a device driver and file system and I’m not sure what I
>>>>need from Microsoft…
>>>>
>>>>Is the IFS kit a superset of the DDK (only need to buy IFS)?
>>>>To run on a checked version of the OS, I need to get the MSDN
>>>>(professional) subscription. It appears that MSDN contains the DDK, does
>>>>it include the IFS kit as well?
>>>>My basic question is, starting from scratch, what do I need to buy for
>>>>each developer of a Windows driver and/or file system?
>>>> MSDN only?
>>>> MSDN + IFS?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks in advance,
>>>>-bob
>>>>
>>>>—
>>>>Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
>>>>http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>>>>
>>>>You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@acm.org
>>>>To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>—
>>>Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
>>>http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>>>
>>>You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@oracle.com
>>>To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>—
>>Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
>>http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>>
>>You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@osr.com
>>To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>>
>>—
>>Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
>>http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>>
>>You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: ‘’
>>To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>>
>>
>
>

8

Looks like I can get by with the MSDN - Operating Systems subscription.

David J. Craig wrote:

Just wait until the new Visual Studio is released. The new price for the
most expensive MSDN is going up to about $11,000 not including taxes and
S&H. The annual renewal for that version is $3500. The professional is
split into two versions.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/howtobuy/vs2005/subscriptions/

“Bob Nelson” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
>
>
>>Thanks Tony (and Don), I did confuse the ‘DDK Suite’ with the DDK.
>>
>>-bob
>>
>>Tony Mason wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I’m going to have to disagree on at least one point: the DDK is not more
>>>expensive than the IFS Kit. The DDK (and I just checked this) still
>>>has a retail price of $0.00. All you have to pay for is the shipping
>>>and handling. The IFS Kit is $109 + s/h.
>>>There is also a “DDK Suite” that contains the DDK plus other (optional)
>>>pieces that is $199.00, but the two should not be confused. The DDK is
>>>free, the “DDK Suite” is $199.00.
>>>
>>>The WDK will be released during the Longhorn development cycle; at some
>>>point a beta of Longhorn, and no doubt the WDK, will be generally
>>>available to MSDN subscribers. However, you can also join the beta
>>>program and gain access to it before that time.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>Tony
>>>
>>>Tony Mason
>>>Consulting Partner
>>>OSR Open Systems Resources, Inc.
>>>http://www.osr.com
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>>>[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Bob Nelson
>>>Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:17 AM
>>>To: ntdev redirect
>>>Subject: Re: [ntdev] What do I need (MSDN, DDK, IFS)
>>>
>>>Thanks Don! The confusing part is that the DDK is more expensive that the
>>>IFS…
>>>Any idea on when the WDK will be made available? Do you know if it will
>>>
>>>it be included in MSDN professional?
>>>Thanks for the tip on the (free) partial checked builds.
>>>
>>>-bob
>>>
>>>
>>>Don Burn wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>The IFS kit is a superset of the DDK. MSDN only contains the DDK. In
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>the future the WDK (Windows Driver Kit) will replace the DDK, and the WDK
>>>>includes the IFS kit. You need MSDN for a full checked build, a partial
>>>>checked build (i.e. the kernel and the HAL) can be achieved by
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>extracting the files from the checked service packs which are available
>>>>free of charge.
>>>>
>>>>So today you need at least the IFS kit (and yes MSDN is recomended) for
>>>>file system development.
>>>>
>>>>Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
>>>>Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
>>>>Remove StopSpam from the email to reply
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: “Bob Nelson”
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>To: “Windows System Software Devs Interest List”
>>>>Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:58 AM
>>>>Subject: [ntdev] What do I need (MSDN, DDK, IFS)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Greetings,
>>>>>
>>>>>I need write a device driver and file system and I’m not sure what I
>>>>>need from Microsoft…
>>>>>
>>>>>Is the IFS kit a superset of the DDK (only need to buy IFS)?
>>>>>To run on a checked version of the OS, I need to get the MSDN
>>>>>(professional) subscription. It appears that MSDN contains the DDK, does
>>>>>it include the IFS kit as well?
>>>>>My basic question is, starting from scratch, what do I need to buy for
>>>>>each developer of a Windows driver and/or file system?
>>>>>MSDN only?
>>>>>MSDN + IFS?
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks in advance,
>>>>>-bob
>>>>>
>>>>>—
>>>>>Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
>>>>>http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>>>>>
>>>>>You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@acm.org
>>>>>To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>—
>>>>Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
>>>>http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>>>>
>>>>You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@oracle.com
>>>>To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>—
>>>Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
>>>http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>>>
>>>You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@osr.com
>>>To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>>>
>>>—
>>>Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
>>>http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>>>
>>>You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: ‘’
>>>To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>—
>Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>
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>
>

9

That will not include the IFS kit. If you intend to develop a filesystem
you need the IFS kit.

-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Bob Nelson
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 12:31 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: Re: [ntdev] What do I need (MSDN, DDK, IFS)

Looks like I can get by with the MSDN - Operating Systems subscription.

David J. Craig wrote:

Just wait until the new Visual Studio is released. The new price for
the
most expensive MSDN is going up to about $11,000 not including taxes
and
S&H. The annual renewal for that version is $3500. The professional
is
split into two versions.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/howtobuy/vs2005/subscriptions/

“Bob Nelson” wrote in message
news:xxxxx@ntdev…
>
>
>>Thanks Tony (and Don), I did confuse the ‘DDK Suite’ with the DDK.
>>
>>-bob
>>
>>Tony Mason wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I’m going to have to disagree on at least one point: the DDK is not
more
>>>expensive than the IFS Kit. The DDK (and I just checked this)
still
>>>has a retail price of $0.00. All you have to pay for is the shipping
>>>and handling. The IFS Kit is $109 + s/h.
>>>There is also a “DDK Suite” that contains the DDK plus other
(optional)
>>>pieces that is $199.00, but the two should not be confused. The DDK
is
>>>free, the “DDK Suite” is $199.00.
>>>
>>>The WDK will be released during the Longhorn development cycle; at
some
>>>point a beta of Longhorn, and no doubt the WDK, will be generally
>>>available to MSDN subscribers. However, you can also join the beta
>>>program and gain access to it before that time.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>Tony
>>>
>>>Tony Mason
>>>Consulting Partner
>>>OSR Open Systems Resources, Inc.
>>>http://www.osr.com
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>>>[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Bob Nelson
>>>Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 11:17 AM
>>>To: ntdev redirect
>>>Subject: Re: [ntdev] What do I need (MSDN, DDK, IFS)
>>>
>>>Thanks Don! The confusing part is that the DDK is more expensive
that the
>>>IFS…
>>>Any idea on when the WDK will be made available? Do you know if it
will
>>>
>>>it be included in MSDN professional?
>>>Thanks for the tip on the (free) partial checked builds.
>>>
>>>-bob
>>>
>>>
>>>Don Burn wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>The IFS kit is a superset of the DDK. MSDN only contains the DDK.
In
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>the future the WDK (Windows Driver Kit) will replace the DDK, and
the WDK
>>>>includes the IFS kit. You need MSDN for a full checked build, a
partial
>>>>checked build (i.e. the kernel and the HAL) can be achieved by
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>extracting the files from the checked service packs which are
available
>>>>free of charge.
>>>>
>>>>So today you need at least the IFS kit (and yes MSDN is recomended)
for
>>>>file system development.
>>>>
>>>>Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
>>>>Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
>>>>Remove StopSpam from the email to reply
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: “Bob Nelson”
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>To: “Windows System Software Devs Interest List”

>>>>Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 10:58 AM
>>>>Subject: [ntdev] What do I need (MSDN, DDK, IFS)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Greetings,
>>>>>
>>>>>I need write a device driver and file system and I’m not sure what
I
>>>>>need from Microsoft…
>>>>>
>>>>>Is the IFS kit a superset of the DDK (only need to buy IFS)?
>>>>>To run on a checked version of the OS, I need to get the MSDN
>>>>>(professional) subscription. It appears that MSDN contains the DDK,
does
>>>>>it include the IFS kit as well?
>>>>>My basic question is, starting from scratch, what do I need to buy
for
>>>>>each developer of a Windows driver and/or file system?
>>>>>MSDN only?
>>>>>MSDN + IFS?
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks in advance,
>>>>>-bob
>>>>>
>>>>>—
>>>>>Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
>>>>>http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
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> Is the IFS kit a superset of the DDK (only need to buy IFS)?

Yes.

To run on a checked version of the OS, I need to get the MSDN
(professional) subscription. It appears that MSDN contains the DDK, does
it include the IFS kit as well?

No.

MSDN + IFS?

This combo.

Maxim Shatskih, Windows DDK MVP
StorageCraft Corporation
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