Could anyone recommend a good and cheap USB analyser? I’m and want to be pure software developer but work on drivers for our hardware and sometimes there is an USB problem which has to be examined. We have good but not cheap one in our hw department which is in the USA whereas I’m in the Europe. It appeared impractical as some problems can be only reproduced here. What I’d need is something which’d allow me to quickly distinguish hw from sw problems and find possible root of hw problems if one of our devices causes it. The rest is on the hw department. So I don’t need the best possible analyser, just something handy and usable. USB 1.1 only should be sufficient as we don’t plan to develop 2.0 devices in the near future.
It seems this one: http://www.ellisys.com/products/usbtr110/index.php could fulfil my needs. Has anybody an experience with it, good or bad? Or with USB 2.0 version: http://www.ellisys.com/products/usbex200/index.php ?
Thanks.
Best regards,
Michal Vodicka
UPEK, Inc.
[xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
I’ve always used the CATC analyzer. When USB was getting going, this
was all MSFT used.
They have a few of them, here is the Chief link
http://www.catc.com/products/chief.html
d
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Subject: [ntdev] USB analyser
Could anyone recommend a good and cheap USB analyser? I’m and want
to be pure software developer but work on drivers for our hardware and
sometimes there is an USB problem which has to be examined. We have good
but not cheap one in our hw department which is in the USA whereas I’m
in the Europe. It appeared impractical as some problems can be only
reproduced here. What I’d need is something which’d allow me to quickly
distinguish hw from sw problems and find possible root of hw problems if
one of our devices causes it. The rest is on the hw department. So I
don’t need the best possible analyser, just something handy and usable.
USB 1.1 only should be sufficient as we don’t plan to develop 2.0
devices in the near future.
It seems this one: http://www.ellisys.com/products/usbtr110/index.php
could fulfil my needs. Has anybody an experience with it, good or bad?
Or with USB 2.0 version:
http://www.ellisys.com/products/usbex200/index.php ?
Thanks.
Best regards,
Michal Vodicka
UPEK, Inc.
[xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
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This is what we have and I’d like to have one here but it is too expensive.
Best regards,
Michal Vodicka
UPEK, Inc.
[xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
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Subject: RE: [ntdev] USB analyserI’ve always used the CATC analyzer. When USB was getting going, this
was all MSFT used.They have a few of them, here is the Chief link
http://www.catc.com/products/chief.html
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Subject: [ntdev] USB analyserCould anyone recommend a good and cheap USB analyser? I’m and want
> to be pure software developer but work on drivers for our hardware and
> sometimes there is an USB problem which has to be examined. We have good
> but not cheap one in our hw department which is in the USA whereas I’m
> in the Europe. It appeared impractical as some problems can be only
> reproduced here. What I’d need is something which’d allow me to quickly
> distinguish hw from sw problems and find possible root of hw problems if
> one of our devices causes it. The rest is on the hw department. So I
> don’t need the best possible analyser, just something handy and usable.
> USB 1.1 only should be sufficient as we don’t plan to develop 2.0
> devices in the near future.
>
> It seems this one: http://www.ellisys.com/products/usbtr110/index.php
> could fulfil my needs. Has anybody an experience with it, good or bad?
> Or with USB 2.0 version:
> http://www.ellisys.com/products/usbex200/index.php ?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Michal Vodicka
> UPEK, Inc.
> [xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
>
>
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The chief is more then then 2500 euro analyzer you pointed to? (there
were no prices on the site). You might not need the chief, they have
lower end analyzers that are pretty good as well.
d
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This is what we have and I’d like to have one here but it is too
expensive.
Best regards,
Michal Vodicka
UPEK, Inc.
[xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
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Subject: RE: [ntdev] USB analyserI’ve always used the CATC analyzer. When USB was getting going, this
was all MSFT used.They have a few of them, here is the Chief link
http://www.catc.com/products/chief.html
d
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Subject: [ntdev] USB analyserCould anyone recommend a good and cheap USB analyser? I’m and want
> to be pure software developer but work on drivers for our hardware and
> sometimes there is an USB problem which has to be examined. We have
good
> but not cheap one in our hw department which is in the USA whereas I’m
> in the Europe. It appeared impractical as some problems can be only
> reproduced here. What I’d need is something which’d allow me to
quickly
> distinguish hw from sw problems and find possible root of hw problems
if
> one of our devices causes it. The rest is on the hw department. So I
> don’t need the best possible analyser, just something handy and
usable.
> USB 1.1 only should be sufficient as we don’t plan to develop 2.0
> devices in the near future.
>
> It seems this one: http://www.ellisys.com/products/usbtr110/index.php
> could fulfil my needs. Has anybody an experience with it, good or bad?
> Or with USB 2.0 version:
> http://www.ellisys.com/products/usbex200/index.php ?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Michal Vodicka
> UPEK, Inc.
> [xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
>
>
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Ellisys 110 is about $1000 and 200 about $3000. The cheapest CATC I found was $11000, Chief was about $18000. I found these prices using Google recently and can’t find them again. Even if the list was outdated and current prices are lower, the difference is too big. My chief would approve $3000 but not much more.
Best regards,
Michal Vodicka
UPEK, Inc.
[xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
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Subject: RE: [ntdev] USB analyserThe chief is more then then 2500 euro analyzer you pointed to? (there
were no prices on the site). You might not need the chief, they have
lower end analyzers that are pretty good as well.d
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Subject: RE: [ntdev] USB analyserThis is what we have and I’d like to have one here but it is too
expensive.Best regards,
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UPEK, Inc.
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>
> I’ve always used the CATC analyzer. When USB was getting going, this
> was all MSFT used.
>
> They have a few of them, here is the Chief link
>
> http://www.catc.com/products/chief.html
>
> d
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> [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Michal Vodicka
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:44 PM
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> Subject: [ntdev] USB analyser
>
> Could anyone recommend a good and cheap USB analyser? I’m and want
> > to be pure software developer but work on drivers for our hardware and
> > sometimes there is an USB problem which has to be examined. We have
> good
> > but not cheap one in our hw department which is in the USA whereas I’m
> > in the Europe. It appeared impractical as some problems can be only
> > reproduced here. What I’d need is something which’d allow me to
> quickly
> > distinguish hw from sw problems and find possible root of hw problems
> if
> > one of our devices causes it. The rest is on the hw department. So I
> > don’t need the best possible analyser, just something handy and
> usable.
> > USB 1.1 only should be sufficient as we don’t plan to develop 2.0
> > devices in the near future.
> >
> > It seems this one: http://www.ellisys.com/products/usbtr110/index.php
> > could fulfil my needs. Has anybody an experience with it, good or bad?
> > Or with USB 2.0 version:
> > http://www.ellisys.com/products/usbex200/index.php ?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Michal Vodicka
> > UPEK, Inc.
> > [xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
> >
> >
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Several years ago, I used CATC’s analyzer. Its price was more than US$2500
Hope it would be cheaper than that.
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The chief is more then then 2500 euro analyzer you pointed to? (there
were no prices on the site). You might not need the chief, they have
lower end analyzers that are pretty good as well.
d
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[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Michal Vodicka
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 9:21 PM
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Subject: RE: [ntdev] USB analyser
This is what we have and I’d like to have one here but it is too
expensive.
Best regards,
Michal Vodicka
UPEK, Inc.
[xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
> ----------
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>
> I’ve always used the CATC analyzer. When USB was getting going, this
> was all MSFT used.
>
> They have a few of them, here is the Chief link
>
> http://www.catc.com/products/chief.html
>
> d
>
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> [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Michal Vodicka
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:44 PM
> To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> Subject: [ntdev] USB analyser
>
> Could anyone recommend a good and cheap USB analyser? I’m and want
> to be pure software developer but work on drivers for our hardware and
> sometimes there is an USB problem which has to be examined. We have
good
> but not cheap one in our hw department which is in the USA whereas I’m
> in the Europe. It appeared impractical as some problems can be only
> reproduced here. What I’d need is something which’d allow me to
quickly
> distinguish hw from sw problems and find possible root of hw problems
if
> one of our devices causes it. The rest is on the hw department. So I
> don’t need the best possible analyser, just something handy and
usable.
> USB 1.1 only should be sufficient as we don’t plan to develop 2.0
> devices in the near future.
>
> It seems this one: http://www.ellisys.com/products/usbtr110/index.php
> could fulfil my needs. Has anybody an experience with it, good or bad?
> Or with USB 2.0 version:
> http://www.ellisys.com/products/usbex200/index.php ?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Michal Vodicka
> UPEK, Inc.
> [xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
>
>
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I’ve used the Ellisys 110 and it has worked out really well. It doesn’t
do any hardware analysis and you can’t do any triggering but it has a
nice filter function that you can use to view the results after capture
and the capture buffer is only limited by your systems disk size. You
also need a 2nd PC with USB 2.0 to connect the analyzer to.
When we originally purchased the 110 we did so because we didn’t plan to
do any USB 2.0 work. However we later discovered a problem with another
USB device when both were plugged into a 2.0 USB controller. For this
situation the Ellisys didn’t help. Luckily we were able to partially
reproduce the problem using a USB 1.1 bus. For this reason I would
recommend that you purchase a USB 2.0 analyzer if you can. I don’t have
any experience with the Ellisys 200 but if it works as well as the 110
I’d recommend it.
- Steve -
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Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 12:39 AM
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Subject: RE: [ntdev] USB analyser
Ellisys 110 is about $1000 and 200 about $3000. The cheapest CATC I
found was $11000, Chief was about $18000. I found these prices using
Google recently and can’t find them again. Even if the list was outdated
and current prices are lower, the difference is too big. My chief would
approve $3000 but not much more.
Best regards,
Michal Vodicka
UPEK, Inc.
[xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
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Subject: RE: [ntdev] USB analyserThe chief is more then then 2500 euro analyzer you pointed to? (there
were no prices on the site). You might not need the chief, they have
lower end analyzers that are pretty good as well.d
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Subject: RE: [ntdev] USB analyserThis is what we have and I’d like to have one here but it is too
expensive.Best regards,
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UPEK, Inc.
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>
> I’ve always used the CATC analyzer. When USB was getting going,
this
> was all MSFT used.
>
> They have a few of them, here is the Chief link
>
> http://www.catc.com/products/chief.html
>
> d
>
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> [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Michal
Vodicka
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:44 PM
> To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> Subject: [ntdev] USB analyser
>
> Could anyone recommend a good and cheap USB analyser? I’m and
want
> > to be pure software developer but work on drivers for our hardware
and
> > sometimes there is an USB problem which has to be examined. We have
> good
> > but not cheap one in our hw department which is in the USA whereas
I’m
> > in the Europe. It appeared impractical as some problems can be only
> > reproduced here. What I’d need is something which’d allow me to
> quickly
> > distinguish hw from sw problems and find possible root of hw
problems
> if
> > one of our devices causes it. The rest is on the hw department. So I
> > don’t need the best possible analyser, just something handy and
> usable.
> > USB 1.1 only should be sufficient as we don’t plan to develop 2.0
> > devices in the near future.
> >
> > It seems this one:
http://www.ellisys.com/products/usbtr110/index.php
> > could fulfil my needs. Has anybody an experience with it, good or
bad?
> > Or with USB 2.0 version:
> > http://www.ellisys.com/products/usbex200/index.php ?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Michal Vodicka
> > UPEK, Inc.
> > [xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
> >
> >
> > —
> > Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
> > http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
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Michal Vodicka wrote:
It seems this one: http://www.ellisys.com/products/usbtr110/index.php could
>lfil my needs. Has anybody an experience with it, good or bad?
> r with USB 2.0 version:
http://www.ellisys.com/products/usbex200/index.php ?
Sorry I didn’t see this until tonight.
We’ve been using a Ellisys USB Explorer 200 for a while. In fact,
assuming I get some time, I’m going to talk about it in an article in
the next issue of The NT Insider.
In short, we’ve been VERY happy with it. We found the root cause of
several annoying problems with the USB board we just finished developing.
Extremely easy to use. Reliable.
If you haven’t done so already, download their software – the log
analyzer program – and take a look at how the output looks from the
device. The only trace they don’t provide an example for is a
high-speed isochronous trace, and I can tell you those also do work.
Feel free to contact me off-list if you have specific questions,
Peter
OSR
Peter Viscarola (OSR) wrote:
Michal Vodicka wrote:
>
> It seems this one: http://www.ellisys.com/products/usbtr110/index.php
> could>lfil my needs. Has anybody an experience with it, good or bad?
> r with USB 2.0 version:
http://www.ellisys.com/products/usbex200/index.php ?>
Sorry I didn’t see this until tonight.
We’ve been using a Ellisys USB Explorer 200 for a while. In fact,
assuming I get some time, I’m going to talk about it in an article in
the next issue of The NT Insider.In short, we’ve been VERY happy with it. We found the root cause of
several annoying problems with the USB board we just finished developing.Extremely easy to use. Reliable.
If you haven’t done so already, download their software – the log
analyzer program – and take a look at how the output looks from the
device. The only trace they don’t provide an example for is a
high-speed isochronous trace, and I can tell you those also do work.Feel free to contact me off-list if you have specific questions,
I can only agree. I’ve used the Ellisys 200 for some time, and I can’t say
enough good things about it. As for the price, you may even get it for less
than ?3000, I think we didn’t pay that much either.
Burk.
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