The most preferable DDK Suite to order/buy

I’ve been writing drivers for NT40/W2K and used to use ntddk.
Now I have to transfer all my work to XP (probably w2k3).

AFAIK, first of all I need an xpddk (at least).

I have seen few suites we are able to buy:
-=Windows Server 2003 DDK=-
Windows XP SP1, Windows XP, and Windows 2000

-=Windows XP SP1 DDK=-
Windows XP SP1, Windows XP, Windows 2000 and Windows ME

DDK Suite 2 is a lit bit overloaded…

Does anybody knows
a) what is the difference between those suites
(except ME presence) ?
b) what is the most preferable DDK suite to order/buy
to continue developing drivers for NT40/W2K and build
them for XP ?
c) what I also need to have to be able to write and debug drivers
under XP ?

Thanx in advance.


Best regards,
Dmitry Potapenko mailto: xxxxx@jeo.ru

The latest DDK, the Windows Server 2003 DDK, ought to meet all of your needs
except NT4. NT4 DDK is ONLY available from the MSDN archives, and that
requires an MSDN Universal Subscription. Of course, if like me you have
large plastic tubs of obsolete MSDN CDs gathering dust in your office, it is
also available from your own personal archive :slight_smile:

=====================
Mark Roddy
Hollis Technology Solutions
www.hollistech.com
xxxxx@hollistech.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Dmitry O. Potapenko [mailto:xxxxx@jeo.ru]
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:02 PM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] The most preferable DDK Suite to order/buy

I’ve been writing drivers for NT40/W2K and used to use ntddk. Now I have to
transfer all my work to XP (probably w2k3).

AFAIK, first of all I need an xpddk (at least).

I have seen few suites we are able to buy:
-=Windows Server 2003 DDK=-
Windows XP SP1, Windows XP, and Windows 2000

-=Windows XP SP1 DDK=-
Windows XP SP1, Windows XP, Windows 2000 and Windows ME

DDK Suite 2 is a lit bit overloaded…

Does anybody knows
a) what is the difference between those suites
(except ME presence) ?
b) what is the most preferable DDK suite to order/buy
to continue developing drivers for NT40/W2K and build
them for XP ?
c) what I also need to have to be able to write and debug drivers
under XP ?

Thanx in advance.


Best regards,
Dmitry Potapenko mailto: xxxxx@jeo.ru


Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256

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It’s also available to MSDN Professional subscribers. I just downloaded
it the other day, unfortunately. :slight_smile:

-sd

On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 15:15, Roddy, Mark wrote:

The latest DDK, the Windows Server 2003 DDK, ought to meet all of your needs
except NT4. NT4 DDK is ONLY available from the MSDN archives, and that
requires an MSDN Universal Subscription. Of course, if like me you have
large plastic tubs of obsolete MSDN CDs gathering dust in your office, it is
also available from your own personal archive :slight_smile:

=====================
Mark Roddy
Hollis Technology Solutions
www.hollistech.com
xxxxx@hollistech.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Dmitry O. Potapenko [mailto:xxxxx@jeo.ru]
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:02 PM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] The most preferable DDK Suite to order/buy

I’ve been writing drivers for NT40/W2K and used to use ntddk. Now I have to
transfer all my work to XP (probably w2k3).

AFAIK, first of all I need an xpddk (at least).

I have seen few suites we are able to buy:
-=Windows Server 2003 DDK=-
Windows XP SP1, Windows XP, and Windows 2000

-=Windows XP SP1 DDK=-
Windows XP SP1, Windows XP, Windows 2000 and Windows ME

DDK Suite 2 is a lit bit overloaded…

Does anybody knows
a) what is the difference between those suites
(except ME presence) ?
b) what is the most preferable DDK suite to order/buy
to continue developing drivers for NT40/W2K and build
them for XP ?
c) what I also need to have to be able to write and debug drivers
under XP ?

Thanx in advance.


Best regards,
Dmitry Potapenko mailto: xxxxx@jeo.ru


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http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256

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Oh, well the professional subscription is pretty reasonably priced, so that
is good news.

=====================
Mark Roddy
Hollis Technology Solutions
www.hollistech.com
xxxxx@hollistech.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Dispensa [mailto:xxxxx@positivenetworks.net]
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:26 PM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] RE: The most preferable DDK Suite to order/buy

It’s also available to MSDN Professional subscribers. I just downloaded it
the other day, unfortunately. :slight_smile:

-sd

On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 15:15, Roddy, Mark wrote:

The latest DDK, the Windows Server 2003 DDK, ought to meet all of your
needs except NT4. NT4 DDK is ONLY available from the MSDN archives,
and that requires an MSDN Universal Subscription. Of course, if like
me you have large plastic tubs of obsolete MSDN CDs gathering dust in
your office, it is also available from your own personal archive :slight_smile:

=====================
Mark Roddy
Hollis Technology Solutions
www.hollistech.com
xxxxx@hollistech.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Dmitry O. Potapenko [mailto:xxxxx@jeo.ru]
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:02 PM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] The most preferable DDK Suite to order/buy

I’ve been writing drivers for NT40/W2K and used to use ntddk. Now I
have to transfer all my work to XP (probably w2k3).

AFAIK, first of all I need an xpddk (at least).

I have seen few suites we are able to buy:
-=Windows Server 2003 DDK=-
Windows XP SP1, Windows XP, and Windows 2000

-=Windows XP SP1 DDK=-
Windows XP SP1, Windows XP, Windows 2000 and Windows ME

DDK Suite 2 is a lit bit overloaded…

Does anybody knows
a) what is the difference between those suites
(except ME presence) ?
b) what is the most preferable DDK suite to order/buy
to continue developing drivers for NT40/W2K and build
them for XP ?
c) what I also need to have to be able to write and debug drivers
under XP ?

Thanx in advance.


Best regards,
Dmitry Potapenko mailto: xxxxx@jeo.ru


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http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256

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> b) what is the most preferable DDK suite to order/buy

to continue developing drivers for NT40/W2K and build
them for XP ?

The general advice is - use the DDK version which corresponds the oldest OS on
which you will run the driver.

c) what I also need to have to be able to write and debug drivers
under XP ?

WinDbg (free download from MS) and 2 machines connected by serial or 1394 (1394
is supported only if both machines are running XP or later).

Max

MS> The general advice is - use the DDK version which corresponds the
oldest OS MS> on which you will run the driver.

That’s clear :slight_smile:

DP>> c) what I also need 2 have to be able to write and debug drivers
under XP?
MS> WinDbg (free download from MS) and 2 machines connected by serial or
1394 MS> (1394 is supported only if both machines are running XP or
later).

That is not so clear. Does it mean I won’t be able to use SoftICE under
XP?
(sometimes I use it for a simple debugging in NT40) And what about symbols
for WinDbg or they will be included in the kit?

Thank you guys for the answers…

I have ordered Server 2003 DDK but received a message with my items being
in ‘back order’. I can only guess what did guys from Microsoft meant by
this… never mind, I think I will get it soon.


Best regards,
Dmitry Potapenko mailto: xxxxx@jeo.ru

Dmitry, please send me your address and order number. I’ll send you a
Server 2003 DDK right away. We’re looking into the backorder situation
with the warehouse.
Thanks,
Richard Moore
xxxxx@microsoft.com

-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Dmitry O.
Potapenko
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:14 PM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: The most preferable DDK Suite to order/buy

MS> The general advice is - use the DDK version which corresponds the
oldest OS MS> on which you will run the driver.

That’s clear :slight_smile:

DP>> c) what I also need 2 have to be able to write and debug drivers
under XP?
MS> WinDbg (free download from MS) and 2 machines connected by serial or
1394 MS> (1394 is supported only if both machines are running XP or
later).

That is not so clear. Does it mean I won’t be able to use SoftICE under
XP?
(sometimes I use it for a simple debugging in NT40) And what about
symbols
for WinDbg or they will be included in the kit?

Thank you guys for the answers…

I have ordered Server 2003 DDK but received a message with my items
being
in ‘back order’. I can only guess what did guys from Microsoft meant by
this… never mind, I think I will get it soon.


Best regards,
Dmitry Potapenko mailto: xxxxx@jeo.ru


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> Dmitry, please send me your address and order number. I’ll send you a

Server 2003 DDK right away. We’re looking into the backorder situation
with the warehouse.
Thanks,
Richard Moore
xxxxx@microsoft.com

Done.


Best regards,
Dmitry Potapenko mailto: xxxxx@jeo.ru

> Dmitry, please send me your address and order number. I’ll send you a

Server 2003 DDK right away. We’re looking into the backorder situation
with the warehouse.
Thanks,
Richard Moore
xxxxx@microsoft.com

Done.

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Best regards,
Dmitry Potapenko mailto: xxxxx@jeo.ru

> That is not so clear. Does it mean I won’t be able to use SoftICE under

XP?

WinDbg is IMHO better. Much more facilities, the easy ability of saving debug
log to the file and so on. It is also free.
SoftICE will also work, but I dunno what version you will need. Old SoftICE
versions are usually incompatible with newer service packs.

(sometimes I use it for a simple debugging in NT40) And what about symbols
for WinDbg or they will be included in the kit?

They are on Customer Support Diagnostics CD on MSDN.

Maxim Shatskih, Windows DDK MVP
StorageCraft Corporation
xxxxx@storagecraft.com
http://www.storagecraft.com

I don’t like to badmouth other people, but I believe SoftICE does things
that I’m not sure anyone else does. For example, SoftICE runs on a single
machine. It also runs on a TCP/IP network. At school I have a classroom
with 25 computers on the campus Ethernet, I can use SoftICE to debug any of
my student machines from my teacher’s station without stringing serial
cables all over. I can also give two machines to each student and have them
debug their drivers from one machine to another.

SoftICE can also run with the OS stopped, and it doesn’t need Windows on the
host side either. For example, we still ship a DOS version of SoftICE, and
people who do Bios or disk drives for a living can put SoftICE in a DOS
diskette and debug their stuff way before the OS is even booted. This also
comes handy when we’re trying to debug network stuff at the basic level and
we don’t quite have an OS-maintained connection between host and target: we
can use SoftICE and SIRemote on hardware level drivers and debug
independently of whether the OS is there or not.

Also, I can have BoundsChecker pop up SoftICE on an error or event, for
example, I can leave it running a stress test overnight in search of that
elusive bug, and when I get back in the morning I’ll have SoftICE popped up.

As for compatibility, I thought we ran on all OS’s, and all commands from
previous versions are there ? Also, we haven’t issue a Service Pack in
years, instead we have had full versions of the product: 2.0, 2.1, 2.5, 2.6,
2.7, 3.0. Every version is an attempt to improve the previous.

Alberto.

-----Original Message-----
From: Maxim S. Shatskih [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 3:59 AM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: The most preferable DDK Suite to order/buy

That is not so clear. Does it mean I won’t be able to use SoftICE under
XP?

WinDbg is IMHO better. Much more facilities, the easy ability of saving
debug
log to the file and so on. It is also free.
SoftICE will also work, but I dunno what version you will need. Old SoftICE
versions are usually incompatible with newer service packs.

(sometimes I use it for a simple debugging in NT40) And what about symbols
for WinDbg or they will be included in the kit?

They are on Customer Support Diagnostics CD on MSDN.

Maxim Shatskih, Windows DDK MVP
StorageCraft Corporation
xxxxx@storagecraft.com
http://www.storagecraft.com


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and then destroy it.

A big annoyance with 3.0 is that it doesn’t run on NT4 anymore - most of
us still need to support this platform.

Moreira, Alberto wrote:

I don’t like to badmouth other people, but I believe SoftICE does things
that I’m not sure anyone else does. For example, SoftICE runs on a single
machine. It also runs on a TCP/IP network. At school I have a classroom
with 25 computers on the campus Ethernet, I can use SoftICE to debug any of
my student machines from my teacher’s station without stringing serial
cables all over. I can also give two machines to each student and have them
debug their drivers from one machine to another.

SoftICE can also run with the OS stopped, and it doesn’t need Windows on the
host side either. For example, we still ship a DOS version of SoftICE, and
people who do Bios or disk drives for a living can put SoftICE in a DOS
diskette and debug their stuff way before the OS is even booted. This also
comes handy when we’re trying to debug network stuff at the basic level and
we don’t quite have an OS-maintained connection between host and target: we
can use SoftICE and SIRemote on hardware level drivers and debug
independently of whether the OS is there or not.

Also, I can have BoundsChecker pop up SoftICE on an error or event, for
example, I can leave it running a stress test overnight in search of that
elusive bug, and when I get back in the morning I’ll have SoftICE popped up.

As for compatibility, I thought we ran on all OS’s, and all commands from
previous versions are there ? Also, we haven’t issue a Service Pack in
years, instead we have had full versions of the product: 2.0, 2.1, 2.5, 2.6,
2.7, 3.0. Every version is an attempt to improve the previous.

Alberto.

-----Original Message-----
From: Maxim S. Shatskih [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 3:59 AM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: The most preferable DDK Suite to order/buy

>That is not so clear. Does it mean I won’t be able to use SoftICE under
>XP?

WinDbg is IMHO better. Much more facilities, the easy ability of saving
debug
log to the file and so on. It is also free.
SoftICE will also work, but I dunno what version you will need. Old SoftICE
versions are usually incompatible with newer service packs.

>(sometimes I use it for a simple debugging in NT40) And what about symbols
>for WinDbg or they will be included in the kit?

They are on Customer Support Diagnostics CD on MSDN.

Maxim Shatskih, Windows DDK MVP
StorageCraft Corporation
xxxxx@storagecraft.com
http://www.storagecraft.com


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  • Nick Ryan (MVP for DDK)

We ship SoftICE 2.7 in the 3.0 CD to address that gap. At some point we have
to bury the skeletons !

Alberto.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Ryan [mailto:xxxxx@nryan.com]
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 2:23 PM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: The most preferable DDK Suite to order/buy

A big annoyance with 3.0 is that it doesn’t run on NT4 anymore - most of
us still need to support this platform.

Moreira, Alberto wrote:

I don’t like to badmouth other people, but I believe SoftICE does things
that I’m not sure anyone else does. For example, SoftICE runs on a single
machine. It also runs on a TCP/IP network. At school I have a classroom
with 25 computers on the campus Ethernet, I can use SoftICE to debug any
of
my student machines from my teacher’s station without stringing serial
cables all over. I can also give two machines to each student and have
them
debug their drivers from one machine to another.

SoftICE can also run with the OS stopped, and it doesn’t need Windows on
the
host side either. For example, we still ship a DOS version of SoftICE, and
people who do Bios or disk drives for a living can put SoftICE in a DOS
diskette and debug their stuff way before the OS is even booted. This also
comes handy when we’re trying to debug network stuff at the basic level
and
we don’t quite have an OS-maintained connection between host and target:
we
can use SoftICE and SIRemote on hardware level drivers and debug
independently of whether the OS is there or not.

Also, I can have BoundsChecker pop up SoftICE on an error or event, for
example, I can leave it running a stress test overnight in search of that
elusive bug, and when I get back in the morning I’ll have SoftICE popped
up.

As for compatibility, I thought we ran on all OS’s, and all commands from
previous versions are there ? Also, we haven’t issue a Service Pack in
years, instead we have had full versions of the product: 2.0, 2.1, 2.5,
2.6,
2.7, 3.0. Every version is an attempt to improve the previous.

Alberto.

-----Original Message-----
From: Maxim S. Shatskih [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 3:59 AM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: The most preferable DDK Suite to order/buy

>That is not so clear. Does it mean I won’t be able to use SoftICE under
>XP?

WinDbg is IMHO better. Much more facilities, the easy ability of saving
debug
log to the file and so on. It is also free.
SoftICE will also work, but I dunno what version you will need. Old
SoftICE
versions are usually incompatible with newer service packs.

>(sometimes I use it for a simple debugging in NT40) And what about symbols
>for WinDbg or they will be included in the kit?

They are on Customer Support Diagnostics CD on MSDN.

Maxim Shatskih, Windows DDK MVP
StorageCraft Corporation
xxxxx@storagecraft.com
http://www.storagecraft.com


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Alberto,
The PINs of 3.0 do not work for the 2.7 shipped on the same CD. So you expect the customers to buy 2.7 in addition to 3.0.

-Srin.

-----Original Message-----
From: Moreira, Alberto [mailto:xxxxx@compuware.com]
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 11:41 AM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: The most preferable DDK Suite to order/buy

We ship SoftICE 2.7 in the 3.0 CD to address that gap. At some point we have
to bury the skeletons !

Alberto.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Ryan [mailto:xxxxx@nryan.com]
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 2:23 PM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: The most preferable DDK Suite to order/buy

A big annoyance with 3.0 is that it doesn’t run on NT4 anymore - most of
us still need to support this platform.

Moreira, Alberto wrote:

I don’t like to badmouth other people, but I believe SoftICE does things
that I’m not sure anyone else does. For example, SoftICE runs on a single
machine. It also runs on a TCP/IP network. At school I have a classroom
with 25 computers on the campus Ethernet, I can use SoftICE to debug any
of
my student machines from my teacher’s station without stringing serial
cables all over. I can also give two machines to each student and have
them
debug their drivers from one machine to another.

SoftICE can also run with the OS stopped, and it doesn’t need Windows on
the
host side either. For example, we still ship a DOS version of SoftICE, and
people who do Bios or disk drives for a living can put SoftICE in a DOS
diskette and debug their stuff way before the OS is even booted. This also
comes handy when we’re trying to debug network stuff at the basic level
and
we don’t quite have an OS-maintained connection between host and target:
we
can use SoftICE and SIRemote on hardware level drivers and debug
independently of whether the OS is there or not.

Also, I can have BoundsChecker pop up SoftICE on an error or event, for
example, I can leave it running a stress test overnight in search of that
elusive bug, and when I get back in the morning I’ll have SoftICE popped
up.

As for compatibility, I thought we ran on all OS’s, and all commands from
previous versions are there ? Also, we haven’t issue a Service Pack in
years, instead we have had full versions of the product: 2.0, 2.1, 2.5,
2.6,
2.7, 3.0. Every version is an attempt to improve the previous.

Alberto.

-----Original Message-----
From: Maxim S. Shatskih [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 3:59 AM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: The most preferable DDK Suite to order/buy

>That is not so clear. Does it mean I won’t be able to use SoftICE under
>XP?

WinDbg is IMHO better. Much more facilities, the easy ability of saving
debug
log to the file and so on. It is also free.
SoftICE will also work, but I dunno what version you will need. Old
SoftICE
versions are usually incompatible with newer service packs.

>(sometimes I use it for a simple debugging in NT40) And what about symbols
>for WinDbg or they will be included in the kit?

They are on Customer Support Diagnostics CD on MSDN.

Maxim Shatskih, Windows DDK MVP
StorageCraft Corporation
xxxxx@storagecraft.com
http://www.storagecraft.com


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Yeah, but 2.7 doesn’t work with the newer Microsoft compilers. Enter
WinDbg…

Moreira, Alberto wrote:

We ship SoftICE 2.7 in the 3.0 CD to address that gap. At some point we have
to bury the skeletons !

Alberto.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Ryan [mailto:xxxxx@nryan.com]
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 2:23 PM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: The most preferable DDK Suite to order/buy

A big annoyance with 3.0 is that it doesn’t run on NT4 anymore - most of
us still need to support this platform.

Moreira, Alberto wrote:

>I don’t like to badmouth other people, but I believe SoftICE does things
>that I’m not sure anyone else does. For example, SoftICE runs on a single
>machine. It also runs on a TCP/IP network. At school I have a classroom
>with 25 computers on the campus Ethernet, I can use SoftICE to debug any

of

>my student machines from my teacher’s station without stringing serial
>cables all over. I can also give two machines to each student and have

them

>debug their drivers from one machine to another.
>
>SoftICE can also run with the OS stopped, and it doesn’t need Windows on

the

>host side either. For example, we still ship a DOS version of SoftICE, and
>people who do Bios or disk drives for a living can put SoftICE in a DOS
>diskette and debug their stuff way before the OS is even booted. This also
>comes handy when we’re trying to debug network stuff at the basic level

and

>we don’t quite have an OS-maintained connection between host and target:

we

>can use SoftICE and SIRemote on hardware level drivers and debug
>independently of whether the OS is there or not.
>
>Also, I can have BoundsChecker pop up SoftICE on an error or event, for
>example, I can leave it running a stress test overnight in search of that
>elusive bug, and when I get back in the morning I’ll have SoftICE popped

up.

>
>As for compatibility, I thought we ran on all OS’s, and all commands from
>previous versions are there ? Also, we haven’t issue a Service Pack in
>years, instead we have had full versions of the product: 2.0, 2.1, 2.5,

2.6,

>2.7, 3.0. Every version is an attempt to improve the previous.
>
>
>Alberto.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Maxim S. Shatskih [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
>Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 3:59 AM
>To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
>Subject: [ntdev] Re: The most preferable DDK Suite to order/buy
>
>
>
>
>>That is not so clear. Does it mean I won’t be able to use SoftICE under
>>XP?
>
>
>WinDbg is IMHO better. Much more facilities, the easy ability of saving
>debug
>log to the file and so on. It is also free.
>SoftICE will also work, but I dunno what version you will need. Old

SoftICE

>versions are usually incompatible with newer service packs.
>
>
>
>>(sometimes I use it for a simple debugging in NT40) And what about symbols
>>for WinDbg or they will be included in the kit?
>
>
>They are on Customer Support Diagnostics CD on MSDN.
>
>Maxim Shatskih, Windows DDK MVP
>StorageCraft Corporation
>xxxxx@storagecraft.com
>http://www.storagecraft.com
>
>
>
>—
>Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
>http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>
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  • Nick Ryan (MVP for DDK)

Can you expand ? This may be an item for our support to handle, but let me
see if I can understand what you’re trying to do.

Alberto.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Ryan [mailto:xxxxx@nryan.com]
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 2:56 PM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: The most preferable DDK Suite to order/buy

Yeah, but 2.7 doesn’t work with the newer Microsoft compilers. Enter
WinDbg…

Moreira, Alberto wrote:

We ship SoftICE 2.7 in the 3.0 CD to address that gap. At some point we
have
to bury the skeletons !

Alberto.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Ryan [mailto:xxxxx@nryan.com]
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 2:23 PM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: The most preferable DDK Suite to order/buy

A big annoyance with 3.0 is that it doesn’t run on NT4 anymore - most of
us still need to support this platform.

Moreira, Alberto wrote:

>I don’t like to badmouth other people, but I believe SoftICE does things
>that I’m not sure anyone else does. For example, SoftICE runs on a single
>machine. It also runs on a TCP/IP network. At school I have a classroom
>with 25 computers on the campus Ethernet, I can use SoftICE to debug any

of

>my student machines from my teacher’s station without stringing serial
>cables all over. I can also give two machines to each student and have

them

>debug their drivers from one machine to another.
>
>SoftICE can also run with the OS stopped, and it doesn’t need Windows on

the

>host side either. For example, we still ship a DOS version of SoftICE, and
>people who do Bios or disk drives for a living can put SoftICE in a DOS
>diskette and debug their stuff way before the OS is even booted. This also
>comes handy when we’re trying to debug network stuff at the basic level

and

>we don’t quite have an OS-maintained connection between host and target:

we

>can use SoftICE and SIRemote on hardware level drivers and debug
>independently of whether the OS is there or not.
>
>Also, I can have BoundsChecker pop up SoftICE on an error or event, for
>example, I can leave it running a stress test overnight in search of that
>elusive bug, and when I get back in the morning I’ll have SoftICE popped

up.

>
>As for compatibility, I thought we ran on all OS’s, and all commands from
>previous versions are there ? Also, we haven’t issue a Service Pack in
>years, instead we have had full versions of the product: 2.0, 2.1, 2.5,

2.6,

>2.7, 3.0. Every version is an attempt to improve the previous.
>
>
>Alberto.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Maxim S. Shatskih [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
>Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 3:59 AM
>To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
>Subject: [ntdev] Re: The most preferable DDK Suite to order/buy
>
>
>
>
>>That is not so clear. Does it mean I won’t be able to use SoftICE under
>>XP?
>
>
>WinDbg is IMHO better. Much more facilities, the easy ability of saving
>debug
>log to the file and so on. It is also free.
>SoftICE will also work, but I dunno what version you will need. Old

SoftICE

>versions are usually incompatible with newer service packs.
>
>
>
>>(sometimes I use it for a simple debugging in NT40) And what about
symbols
>>for WinDbg or they will be included in the kit?
>
>
>They are on Customer Support Diagnostics CD on MSDN.
>
>Maxim Shatskih, Windows DDK MVP
>StorageCraft Corporation
>xxxxx@storagecraft.com
>http://www.storagecraft.com
>
>
>
>—
>Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
>http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>
>You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@compuware.com
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>
>
>
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>contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named
>addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or

disclose

>it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us

immediately

>and then destroy it.
>
>
>
>

  • Nick Ryan (MVP for DDK)

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Pre-3.0 Softice won’t translate binaries built with .NET-age compilers
and linkers. One of the support guys confirmed this for me, and as he
promised 3.0 worked, but dropped the NT4 support :(. Perhaps an .nms
file generated by 3.0 could be used by 2.7?

Moreira, Alberto wrote:

Can you expand ? This may be an item for our support to handle, but let me
see if I can understand what you’re trying to do.

Alberto.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Ryan [mailto:xxxxx@nryan.com]
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 2:56 PM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: The most preferable DDK Suite to order/buy

Yeah, but 2.7 doesn’t work with the newer Microsoft compilers. Enter
WinDbg…

Moreira, Alberto wrote:

>We ship SoftICE 2.7 in the 3.0 CD to address that gap. At some point we

have

>to bury the skeletons !
>
>Alberto.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Nick Ryan [mailto:xxxxx@nryan.com]
>Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 2:23 PM
>To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
>Subject: [ntdev] Re: The most preferable DDK Suite to order/buy
>
>
>A big annoyance with 3.0 is that it doesn’t run on NT4 anymore - most of
>us still need to support this platform.
>
>Moreira, Alberto wrote:
>
>
>
>>I don’t like to badmouth other people, but I believe SoftICE does things
>>that I’m not sure anyone else does. For example, SoftICE runs on a single
>>machine. It also runs on a TCP/IP network. At school I have a classroom
>>with 25 computers on the campus Ethernet, I can use SoftICE to debug any
>
>of
>
>
>>my student machines from my teacher’s station without stringing serial
>>cables all over. I can also give two machines to each student and have
>
>them
>
>
>>debug their drivers from one machine to another.
>>
>>SoftICE can also run with the OS stopped, and it doesn’t need Windows on
>
>the
>
>
>>host side either. For example, we still ship a DOS version of SoftICE, and
>>people who do Bios or disk drives for a living can put SoftICE in a DOS
>>diskette and debug their stuff way before the OS is even booted. This also
>>comes handy when we’re trying to debug network stuff at the basic level
>
>and
>
>
>>we don’t quite have an OS-maintained connection between host and target:
>
>we
>
>
>>can use SoftICE and SIRemote on hardware level drivers and debug
>>independently of whether the OS is there or not.
>>
>>Also, I can have BoundsChecker pop up SoftICE on an error or event, for
>>example, I can leave it running a stress test overnight in search of that
>>elusive bug, and when I get back in the morning I’ll have SoftICE popped
>
>up.
>
>
>>As for compatibility, I thought we ran on all OS’s, and all commands from
>>previous versions are there ? Also, we haven’t issue a Service Pack in
>>years, instead we have had full versions of the product: 2.0, 2.1, 2.5,
>
>2.6,
>
>
>>2.7, 3.0. Every version is an attempt to improve the previous.
>>
>>
>>Alberto.
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Maxim S. Shatskih [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
>>Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 3:59 AM
>>To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
>>Subject: [ntdev] Re: The most preferable DDK Suite to order/buy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>That is not so clear. Does it mean I won’t be able to use SoftICE under
>>>XP?
>>
>>
>>WinDbg is IMHO better. Much more facilities, the easy ability of saving
>>debug
>>log to the file and so on. It is also free.
>>SoftICE will also work, but I dunno what version you will need. Old
>
>SoftICE
>
>
>>versions are usually incompatible with newer service packs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>(sometimes I use it for a simple debugging in NT40) And what about

symbols

>>>for WinDbg or they will be included in the kit?
>>
>>
>>They are on Customer Support Diagnostics CD on MSDN.
>>
>>Maxim Shatskih, Windows DDK MVP
>>StorageCraft Corporation
>>xxxxx@storagecraft.com
>>http://www.storagecraft.com
>>
>>
>>
>>—
>>Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
>>http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>>
>>You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@compuware.com
>>To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>>
>>
>>
>>The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It
>>contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named
>>addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or
>
>disclose
>
>
>>it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us
>
>immediately
>
>
>>and then destroy it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

  • Nick Ryan (MVP for DDK)

If you had 2.7 before, your old serial number will work with the 2.7 that
ships in the 3.0 CD. If you have 3.0.0 but you weren’t a 2.7 user before you
bought 3.0, please contact our support people at
xxxxx@compuware.com and they’ll give you a 2.7 serial number, this
was an oversight at shipping time. If you have 3.0.1, that shortcoming is
fixed. Or do I misunderstand you ?

Alberto.

-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@NAI.com [mailto:xxxxx@NAI.com]
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 2:48 PM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: The most preferable DDK Suite to order/buy

Alberto,
The PINs of 3.0 do not work for the 2.7 shipped on the same CD. So
you expect the customers to buy 2.7 in addition to 3.0.

-Srin.

-----Original Message-----
From: Moreira, Alberto [mailto:xxxxx@compuware.com]
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 11:41 AM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: The most preferable DDK Suite to order/buy

We ship SoftICE 2.7 in the 3.0 CD to address that gap. At some point we have
to bury the skeletons !

Alberto.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Ryan [mailto:xxxxx@nryan.com]
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 2:23 PM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: The most preferable DDK Suite to order/buy

A big annoyance with 3.0 is that it doesn’t run on NT4 anymore - most of
us still need to support this platform.

Moreira, Alberto wrote:

I don’t like to badmouth other people, but I believe SoftICE does things
that I’m not sure anyone else does. For example, SoftICE runs on a single
machine. It also runs on a TCP/IP network. At school I have a classroom
with 25 computers on the campus Ethernet, I can use SoftICE to debug any
of
my student machines from my teacher’s station without stringing serial
cables all over. I can also give two machines to each student and have
them
debug their drivers from one machine to another.

SoftICE can also run with the OS stopped, and it doesn’t need Windows on
the
host side either. For example, we still ship a DOS version of SoftICE, and
people who do Bios or disk drives for a living can put SoftICE in a DOS
diskette and debug their stuff way before the OS is even booted. This also
comes handy when we’re trying to debug network stuff at the basic level
and
we don’t quite have an OS-maintained connection between host and target:
we
can use SoftICE and SIRemote on hardware level drivers and debug
independently of whether the OS is there or not.

Also, I can have BoundsChecker pop up SoftICE on an error or event, for
example, I can leave it running a stress test overnight in search of that
elusive bug, and when I get back in the morning I’ll have SoftICE popped
up.

As for compatibility, I thought we ran on all OS’s, and all commands from
previous versions are there ? Also, we haven’t issue a Service Pack in
years, instead we have had full versions of the product: 2.0, 2.1, 2.5,
2.6,
2.7, 3.0. Every version is an attempt to improve the previous.

Alberto.

-----Original Message-----
From: Maxim S. Shatskih [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 3:59 AM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: The most preferable DDK Suite to order/buy

>That is not so clear. Does it mean I won’t be able to use SoftICE under
>XP?

WinDbg is IMHO better. Much more facilities, the easy ability of saving
debug
log to the file and so on. It is also free.
SoftICE will also work, but I dunno what version you will need. Old
SoftICE
versions are usually incompatible with newer service packs.

>(sometimes I use it for a simple debugging in NT40) And what about symbols
>for WinDbg or they will be included in the kit?

They are on Customer Support Diagnostics CD on MSDN.

Maxim Shatskih, Windows DDK MVP
StorageCraft Corporation
xxxxx@storagecraft.com
http://www.storagecraft.com


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As far as I know, SoftICE 2.7 can handle the latest compilers and PDB7
symbols ok. If you’re having problems in that area, I suggest you contact
our support people at xxxxx@compuware.com, they’ll take it from
there !

Alberto.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Ryan [mailto:xxxxx@nryan.com]
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 3:27 PM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: The most preferable DDK Suite to order/buy

Pre-3.0 Softice won’t translate binaries built with .NET-age compilers
and linkers. One of the support guys confirmed this for me, and as he
promised 3.0 worked, but dropped the NT4 support :(. Perhaps an .nms
file generated by 3.0 could be used by 2.7?

Moreira, Alberto wrote:

Can you expand ? This may be an item for our support to handle, but let me
see if I can understand what you’re trying to do.

Alberto.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Ryan [mailto:xxxxx@nryan.com]
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 2:56 PM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: The most preferable DDK Suite to order/buy

Yeah, but 2.7 doesn’t work with the newer Microsoft compilers. Enter
WinDbg…

Moreira, Alberto wrote:

>We ship SoftICE 2.7 in the 3.0 CD to address that gap. At some point we

have

>to bury the skeletons !
>
>Alberto.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Nick Ryan [mailto:xxxxx@nryan.com]
>Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 2:23 PM
>To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
>Subject: [ntdev] Re: The most preferable DDK Suite to order/buy
>
>
>A big annoyance with 3.0 is that it doesn’t run on NT4 anymore - most of
>us still need to support this platform.
>
>Moreira, Alberto wrote:
>
>
>
>>I don’t like to badmouth other people, but I believe SoftICE does things
>>that I’m not sure anyone else does. For example, SoftICE runs on a single
>>machine. It also runs on a TCP/IP network. At school I have a classroom
>>with 25 computers on the campus Ethernet, I can use SoftICE to debug any
>
>of
>
>
>>my student machines from my teacher’s station without stringing serial
>>cables all over. I can also give two machines to each student and have
>
>them
>
>
>>debug their drivers from one machine to another.
>>
>>SoftICE can also run with the OS stopped, and it doesn’t need Windows on
>
>the
>
>
>>host side either. For example, we still ship a DOS version of SoftICE,
and
>>people who do Bios or disk drives for a living can put SoftICE in a DOS
>>diskette and debug their stuff way before the OS is even booted. This
also
>>comes handy when we’re trying to debug network stuff at the basic level
>
>and
>
>
>>we don’t quite have an OS-maintained connection between host and target:
>
>we
>
>
>>can use SoftICE and SIRemote on hardware level drivers and debug
>>independently of whether the OS is there or not.
>>
>>Also, I can have BoundsChecker pop up SoftICE on an error or event, for
>>example, I can leave it running a stress test overnight in search of that
>>elusive bug, and when I get back in the morning I’ll have SoftICE popped
>
>up.
>
>
>>As for compatibility, I thought we ran on all OS’s, and all commands
from
>>previous versions are there ? Also, we haven’t issue a Service Pack in
>>years, instead we have had full versions of the product: 2.0, 2.1, 2.5,
>
>2.6,
>
>
>>2.7, 3.0. Every version is an attempt to improve the previous.
>>
>>
>>Alberto.
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Maxim S. Shatskih [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
>>Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 3:59 AM
>>To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
>>Subject: [ntdev] Re: The most preferable DDK Suite to order/buy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>That is not so clear. Does it mean I won’t be able to use SoftICE under
>>>XP?
>>
>>
>>WinDbg is IMHO better. Much more facilities, the easy ability of saving
>>debug
>>log to the file and so on. It is also free.
>>SoftICE will also work, but I dunno what version you will need. Old
>
>SoftICE
>
>
>>versions are usually incompatible with newer service packs.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>(sometimes I use it for a simple debugging in NT40) And what about

symbols

>>>for WinDbg or they will be included in the kit?
>>
>>
>>They are on Customer Support Diagnostics CD on MSDN.
>>
>>Maxim Shatskih, Windows DDK MVP
>>StorageCraft Corporation
>>xxxxx@storagecraft.com
>>http://www.storagecraft.com
>>
>>
>>
>>—
>>Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
>>http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>>
>>You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@compuware.com
>>To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>>
>>
>>
>>The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It
>>contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named
>>addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or
>
>disclose
>
>
>>it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us
>
>immediately
>
>
>>and then destroy it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

  • Nick Ryan (MVP for DDK)

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Well, the Nashua support guy on the phone told me they didn’t work and
that it was a well-known problem, and all my experience personally could
not get it to work, so I dunno. :slight_smile:

Moreira, Alberto wrote:

As far as I know, SoftICE 2.7 can handle the latest compilers and PDB7
symbols ok. If you’re having problems in that area, I suggest you contact
our support people at xxxxx@compuware.com, they’ll take it from
there !

Alberto.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Ryan [mailto:xxxxx@nryan.com]
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 3:27 PM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: The most preferable DDK Suite to order/buy

Pre-3.0 Softice won’t translate binaries built with .NET-age compilers
and linkers. One of the support guys confirmed this for me, and as he
promised 3.0 worked, but dropped the NT4 support :(. Perhaps an .nms
file generated by 3.0 could be used by 2.7?

Moreira, Alberto wrote:

>Can you expand ? This may be an item for our support to handle, but let me
>see if I can understand what you’re trying to do.
>
>Alberto.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Nick Ryan [mailto:xxxxx@nryan.com]
>Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 2:56 PM
>To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
>Subject: [ntdev] Re: The most preferable DDK Suite to order/buy
>
>
>Yeah, but 2.7 doesn’t work with the newer Microsoft compilers. Enter
>WinDbg…
>
>Moreira, Alberto wrote:
>
>
>
>>We ship SoftICE 2.7 in the 3.0 CD to address that gap. At some point we
>
>have
>
>
>>to bury the skeletons !
>>
>>Alberto.
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Nick Ryan [mailto:xxxxx@nryan.com]
>>Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 2:23 PM
>>To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
>>Subject: [ntdev] Re: The most preferable DDK Suite to order/buy
>>
>>
>>A big annoyance with 3.0 is that it doesn’t run on NT4 anymore - most of
>>us still need to support this platform.
>>
>>Moreira, Alberto wrote:
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>>>I don’t like to badmouth other people, but I believe SoftICE does things
>>>that I’m not sure anyone else does. For example, SoftICE runs on a single
>>>machine. It also runs on a TCP/IP network. At school I have a classroom
>>>with 25 computers on the campus Ethernet, I can use SoftICE to debug any
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>>of
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>>
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>>>my student machines from my teacher’s station without stringing serial
>>>cables all over. I can also give two machines to each student and have
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>>them
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>>>debug their drivers from one machine to another.
>>>
>>>SoftICE can also run with the OS stopped, and it doesn’t need Windows on
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>>the
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>>>host side either. For example, we still ship a DOS version of SoftICE,

and

>>>people who do Bios or disk drives for a living can put SoftICE in a DOS
>>>diskette and debug their stuff way before the OS is even booted. This

also

>>>comes handy when we’re trying to debug network stuff at the basic level
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>>and
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>>
>>
>>>we don’t quite have an OS-maintained connection between host and target:
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>>we
>>
>>
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>>>can use SoftICE and SIRemote on hardware level drivers and debug
>>>independently of whether the OS is there or not.
>>>
>>>Also, I can have BoundsChecker pop up SoftICE on an error or event, for
>>>example, I can leave it running a stress test overnight in search of that
>>>elusive bug, and when I get back in the morning I’ll have SoftICE popped
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>>up.
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>>
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>>>As for compatibility, I thought we ran on all OS’s, and all commands

from

>>>previous versions are there ? Also, we haven’t issue a Service Pack in
>>>years, instead we have had full versions of the product: 2.0, 2.1, 2.5,
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>>2.6,
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>>>2.7, 3.0. Every version is an attempt to improve the previous.
>>>
>>>
>>>Alberto.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Maxim S. Shatskih [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
>>>Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 3:59 AM
>>>To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
>>>Subject: [ntdev] Re: The most preferable DDK Suite to order/buy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>That is not so clear. Does it mean I won’t be able to use SoftICE under
>>>>XP?
>>>
>>>
>>>WinDbg is IMHO better. Much more facilities, the easy ability of saving
>>>debug
>>>log to the file and so on. It is also free.
>>>SoftICE will also work, but I dunno what version you will need. Old
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>>SoftICE
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>>
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>>>versions are usually incompatible with newer service packs.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>(sometimes I use it for a simple debugging in NT40) And what about
>
>symbols
>
>
>>>>for WinDbg or they will be included in the kit?
>>>
>>>
>>>They are on Customer Support Diagnostics CD on MSDN.
>>>
>>>Maxim Shatskih, Windows DDK MVP
>>>StorageCraft Corporation
>>>xxxxx@storagecraft.com
>>>http://www.storagecraft.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
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  • Nick Ryan (MVP for DDK)