I asked the debugger guys. They said things change so fast that by the
time they have a doc on the website, it would be stale. Perhaps OSR can
do the same thing for usb debugging that they have for 1394.
d
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[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of David J. Craig
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 12:15 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: Re:[ntdev] softice nms + DDK Suite
It would be nice if the docs gave specific USB host cable part numbers.
It
is like all the 1394 chipsets on the market. The TI chipset works best
with
Via usually acceptable but not quite as stable.
“Doron Holan” wrote in message
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USB2 support is in and in the latest debugger package. IIRC you need
the OEM to supply a header and you need a “fat” usb cable that acts as a
device between the 2 connectors.
d
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From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of David J. Craig
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 9:33 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: Re:[ntdev] softice nms + DDK Suite
Windbg works well with 1394a if you use cards with the TI chipset, which
OSR
sells. It also works well with serial. I use serial on the target
computers to a serial to USB adapter on my notebook. I use a RJ-45
network
cable to connect the two since those cables are much better serial
cables
than serial cables. The adapter blocks are cute and you wire them
yourself
using the docs from windbg. You can wire them as full null modem serial
cables even though windbg won’t use the handshaking pins. I heard a
rumor
that windbg will work on USB in the future, but I would rather have
1394a or
even 1394b. Just don’t try to debug something on 1394 if you use it for
debugging. Use serial then and do the opposite if you need the serial
port
for another use.
“Michal Vodicka” wrote in message
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Well, I use it for 10 years for all w9x and NT versions. There were
problems
and some betas were unstable but for me it definitely produced more
usefulness than problems. I still have SI installed and start it when
need
it for something. It isn’t loaded always just because I usually don’t
need a
debugger; DbgView is quite sufficient for debugging any reasonably
written
code 
As for WinDbg, I don’t think its importance ever depended on SoftICE or
DS.
Yes, it was improved and it is great tool for crash dump analysis. Much
better than DS ever was (the GUI part was almost unusable, at least for
me).
But for debugging you have to connect two computers using a cable which
is a
PITA and slow. Can it be already connected by USB or Ethernet? I guess
I’ll
have to subscribe WinDbg list.
BTW, I tried to send an e-mail to former SI lead developer and it was
undeliverable…
Best regards,
Michal Vodicka
UPEK, Inc.
[xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
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> From:
>
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]
> on behalf of David J. Craig[SMTP:xxxxx@yoshimuni.com]
> Reply To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 6:05 AM
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> Subject: Re:[ntdev] softice nms + DDK Suite
>
> It produced more instability than usefulness. I had tried to use
> BoundsChecker last year and it couldn’t find the IRQL correctly. I
got
> the
> update and it still had problems running on an old video card. The
serial
> connection wouldn’t work either. I gave up.
>
> When I had to do 9x and NT/2000 it was nice to have one debugger to
work
> on
> both and windbg was really unstable. Now windbg is much better, but
with
> the demise of SoftIce I hope they don’t let it drop in importance. We
can
> hope, but I am not optimistic.
>
>
> “Michal Vodicka” wrote in message
> news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> Ugh. Bad news. I can live without debugger as traces are superior for
> debugging but SI was really useful for quick examination of something
> running in system.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Michal Vodicka
> UPEK, Inc.
> [xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
>
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> > From:
> >
xxxxx@lists.osr.com[SMTP:xxxxx@lists.osr.com
]
> > on behalf of Pankaj Garg[SMTP:xxxxx@hotmail.com]
> > Reply To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 2:48 AM
> > To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> > Subject: Re:[ntdev] softice nms + DDK Suite
> >
> > Looks like DriverStudio (i think including SoftIce) is no more.
From:
> > http://www.compuware.com/products/devpartner/
> > DriverStudio
> > As of April 3rd, 2006 the DriverStudio product family has retired.
For
> > customer support information please contact our FrontLine website.
> >
> > Why don’t companies make their products open source before they
> > abandoned
> > them.
> >
> > –
> > Pankaj Garg
> > This posting is provided “AS IS” with no warranties and confers no
> > rights.
> >
> >
> > “Michal Vodicka” wrote in message
> > news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> > > ----------
> > > From:
> >
xxxxx@lists.osr.com[SMTP:xxxxx@lists.osr.com
]
> > on
> > behalf of Nikolas Stylianides[SMTP:xxxxx@4plus.com]
> > > Reply To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 8:16 AM
> > > To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> > > Subject: Re: [ntdev] softice nms + DDK Suite
> > >
> > > > My softice version is 4.05.
> > > >
> > > The traditional way does not work. I have tried that long ago. The
> > > nmsym
> > > reports that no debug information found in either sys or pdb.
> > > Did you try this and worked?
> > >
> > Your SI/DS version is very old and obsolete. Support for handling
VC7
> > symbols which DDK compiler uses was added later. You have two
options:>
> > update SI or force DDK compiler to generate VC6 symbols. It is
> > undocumented
> > but I wrote here several times how to do it. Search archives.
However,
> > even
> > if you persuade compiler to generate symbols your old SI can handle,
I
> > seriously doubt such an old version will work with current OSes.
Maybe
> > if
> > you’re using w2k SP0 or XP SP0.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Michal Vodicka
> > UPEK, Inc.
> > [xxxxx@upek.com, http://www.upek.com]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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