Should NTDEV *REJECT* postings in HTML?

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1

Several folks have whined about postings in HTML.

It is a rather simple matter to make the list server reject (almost) all
postings in HTML. The posting would be rejected in the same way that
postings with attachments – when an HTML posting is received, the poster
would get back a message saying their message was rejected because this list
doesn’t accept posts in HTML.

Alternatively, it would also be simple to accept postings in HTML, but send
a note back to the poster saying “in future, please post in plain text.”

It is real work (i.e. a step above trivial and likely never to reach the top
of our “prioritized list of things to do”) to strip the HTML out of a
message and wind-up with something that almost never looks stupid.

The list slaves have no strongly held belief regarding this matter –
Though, I think, in order to banish the use of HTML from the list forever
we’d want to see a very strong consensus expressed by the list members.

Peter
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I pride myself on being one of the grumpy sorts here, but quite honestly
I find this complaint lacking much merit. All my email readers manage to
display the hideous html mail without problems, and html mail appears to
be ubiquitous. Isn’t this more a case of bending with the wind?

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www.hollistech.com
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[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Peter Viscarola
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 11:33 PM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Should NTDEV *REJECT* postings in HTML?

Several folks have whined about postings in HTML.

It is a rather simple matter to make the list server reject (almost) all
postings in HTML. The posting would be rejected in the same way that
postings with attachments – when an HTML posting is received, the
poster
would get back a message saying their message was rejected because this
list
doesn’t accept posts in HTML.

Alternatively, it would also be simple to accept postings in HTML, but
send
a note back to the poster saying “in future, please post in plain text.”

It is real work (i.e. a step above trivial and likely never to reach the
top
of our “prioritized list of things to do”) to strip the HTML out of a
message and wind-up with something that almost never looks stupid.

The list slaves have no strongly held belief regarding this matter –
Though, I think, in order to banish the use of HTML from the list
forever
we’d want to see a very strong consensus expressed by the list members.

Peter
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Please do.

They look crappy in pine.

On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Peter Viscarola wrote:

Several folks have whined about postings in HTML.

It is a rather simple matter to make the list server reject (almost) all
postings in HTML. The posting would be rejected in the same way that
postings with attachments – when an HTML posting is received, the poster
would get back a message saying their message was rejected because this list
doesn’t accept posts in HTML.

Alternatively, it would also be simple to accept postings in HTML, but send
a note back to the poster saying “in future, please post in plain text.”

It is real work (i.e. a step above trivial and likely never to reach the top
of our “prioritized list of things to do”) to strip the HTML out of a
message and wind-up with something that almost never looks stupid.

The list slaves have no strongly held belief regarding this matter –
Though, I think, in order to banish the use of HTML from the list forever
we’d want to see a very strong consensus expressed by the list members.

Peter
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(3) This makes a total of six legs, which certainly is an odd number of
legs for a horse.
(4) But the only number that is both odd and even is infinity.
(5) Therefore, horses must have an infinite number of legs.

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Hi All,

I really don’t quite understand this completely. But is there such an
overhead with HTML mails as long as there are no pictures and special fonts
??

Clark

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5

Try getting the digest version! You will see the formatting as a mass of
text HTML codes with a tiny amount of actual text scattered within. Even
Superman, with his x-ray eyes, would be frustrated trying to find the
message amongst the HTML.

-Evan

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Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 9:44 PM
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Subject: [ntdev] Re: Should NTDEV *REJECT* postings in HTML?

Hi All,

I really don’t quite understand this completely. But is there such an
overhead with HTML mails as long as there are no pictures and
special fonts
??

Clark

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You should try viewing the source of any HTML posting. You will be hard
pressed to find the real content of the posting among all the markup tags.
My pet peeve is when someone uses some horrid image as the tiled background
for their postings.

Jim

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Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 8:44 PM
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Subject: [ntdev] Re: Should NTDEV *REJECT* postings in HTML?

Hi All,

I really don’t quite understand this completely. But is there such an
overhead with HTML mails as long as there are no pictures and special fonts
??

Clark

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Unless you subscribe to the digest.

++PLS

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Roddy [mailto:xxxxx@hollistech.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 9:30 PM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] RE: Should NTDEV *REJECT* postings in HTML?

I pride myself on being one of the grumpy sorts here, but quite honestly
I find this complaint lacking much merit. All my email readers manage to
display the hideous html mail without problems, and html mail appears to
be ubiquitous. Isn’t this more a case of bending with the wind?

=====================
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Windows XP/2000/NT Consulting
Hollis Technology Solutions 603-321-1032
www.hollistech.com
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Yes, there is a difference. My mailer displays every HTML mail as an
attachment and I have to click it and press ESC when want to read next mail.
Quite annoying. Even more annoying is replying to attachments. The problem
is caused by our company main mailserv which changes MIME headers (or
something else) a bit. Mailserv is in another country and I was said it
isn’t possible to fix it.

Above is just an explanation why I’m grumpy about it; I know it isn’t very
good reason for such a change. Fortunately, others have better reasons, I
feel unreadable diggests is very good one.

However, have anybody any good reason to post in HTML?

Best regards,

Michal Vodicka
STMicroelectronics Design and Application s.r.o.
[michal.vodicka@st.com, http:://www.st.com]

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Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 5:29 AM
To: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
Subject: [ntdev] RE: Should NTDEV *REJECT* postings in HTML?

I pride myself on being one of the grumpy sorts here, but quite honestly
I find this complaint lacking much merit. All my email readers manage to
display the hideous html mail without problems, and html mail appears to
be ubiquitous. Isn’t this more a case of bending with the wind?

=====================
Mark Roddy
Windows XP/2000/NT Consulting
Hollis Technology Solutions 603-321-1032
www.hollistech.com
xxxxx@hollistech.com
For Windows Device Driver Training: see www.azius.com

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From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Peter Viscarola
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 11:33 PM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Should NTDEV *REJECT* postings in HTML?

Several folks have whined about postings in HTML.

It is a rather simple matter to make the list server reject (almost) all
postings in HTML. The posting would be rejected in the same way that
postings with attachments – when an HTML posting is received, the
poster
would get back a message saying their message was rejected because this
list
doesn’t accept posts in HTML.

Alternatively, it would also be simple to accept postings in HTML, but
send
a note back to the poster saying “in future, please post in plain text.”

It is real work (i.e. a step above trivial and likely never to reach the
top
of our “prioritized list of things to do”) to strip the HTML out of a
message and wind-up with something that almost never looks stupid.

The list slaves have no strongly held belief regarding this matter –
Though, I think, in order to banish the use of HTML from the list
forever
we’d want to see a very strong consensus expressed by the list members.

Peter
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> Several folks have whined about postings in HTML.

It is a rather simple matter to make the list server reject (almost) all
postings in HTML. The posting would be rejected in the same way that
postings with attachments – when an HTML posting is received, the poster
would get back a message saying their message was rejected because this list
doesn’t accept posts in HTML.

I would much prefer this. My mail reader (deliberately) has very primitive
HTML rendering and does not display them by default for security and privacy
reasons.

Alternatively, it would also be simple to accept postings in HTML, but send
a note back to the poster saying “in future, please post in plain text.”

Probably won’t work. People will just ignore the warning unless you can have
some sort of allow first HTML message but never any more.

I treat all mail with HTML as a second class message to be read only if I have
the time.

Mike

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> Several folks have whined about postings in HTML.

The only reason for html I can think of is the need to
underline/emphasize some parts of the message, but:

You can already do this now. (underlining)

SO, PLEASE STOP HTML-POSTINGS !!! (shouting out load)

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| Stollmann T.P.GmbH, Development | http://www.stollmann.de |
–If it’s ISDN or Bluetooth, make sure it’s driven by Stollmann–

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I’m also against HTML mail.

Another issue: NTDEV is both a mailing list and a newsgroup. Responding to the message posted by NNTP via the mailer is painful.
Maybe it is better to use mail-only NTDEV?

Max

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I agree that the unreadable digest problem is persuasive. I change my vote
to ‘go for it, death to html mail’.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michal Vodicka [mailto:xxxxx@veridicom.cz.nospam]
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 1:33 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] RE: Should NTDEV *REJECT* postings in HTML?

Yes, there is a difference. My mailer displays every HTML
mail as an attachment and I have to click it and press ESC
when want to read next mail. Quite annoying. Even more
annoying is replying to attachments. The problem is caused by
our company main mailserv which changes MIME headers (or
something else) a bit. Mailserv is in another country and I
was said it isn’t possible to fix it.

Above is just an explanation why I’m grumpy about it; I know
it isn’t very good reason for such a change. Fortunately,
others have better reasons, I feel unreadable diggests is
very good one.

However, have anybody any good reason to post in HTML?

Best regards,

Michal Vodicka
STMicroelectronics Design and Application s.r.o.
[michal.vodicka@st.com, http:://www.st.com]

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> Reply To: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 5:29 AM
> To: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> Subject: [ntdev] RE: Should NTDEV *REJECT* postings in HTML?
>
> I pride myself on being one of the grumpy sorts here, but quite
> honestly I find this complaint lacking much merit. All my email
> readers manage to display the hideous html mail without
problems, and
> html mail appears to be ubiquitous. Isn’t this more a case
of bending
> with the wind?
>
> =====================
> Mark Roddy
> Windows XP/2000/NT Consulting
> Hollis Technology Solutions 603-321-1032
> www.hollistech.com
> xxxxx@hollistech.com
> For Windows Device Driver Training: see www.azius.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Peter
Viscarola
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 11:33 PM
> To: NT Developers Interest List
> Subject: [ntdev] Should NTDEV *REJECT* postings in HTML?
>
> Several folks have whined about postings in HTML.
>
> It is a rather simple matter to make the list server reject
(almost) all
> postings in HTML. The posting would be rejected in the
same way that
> postings with attachments – when an HTML posting is received, the
> poster would get back a message saying their message was rejected
> because this list
> doesn’t accept posts in HTML.
>
> Alternatively, it would also be simple to accept postings
in HTML, but
> send a note back to the poster saying “in future, please
post in plain
> text.”
>
> It is real work (i.e. a step above trivial and likely never
to reach
> the top of our “prioritized list of things to do”) to strip
the HTML
> out of a message and wind-up with something that almost never looks
> stupid.
>
> The list slaves have no strongly held belief regarding this
matter –
> Though, I think, in order to banish the use of HTML from the list
> forever we’d want to see a very strong consensus expressed
by the list
> members.
>
> Peter
> NTDEV List Slave
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>
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> I find this complaint lacking much merit. All my email readers manage to

display the hideous html mail without problems, and html mail appears to
be ubiquitous.

The reason that HTML doesn’t work for me, and I suspect many of the people
that have complained, is because we read the DAILY DIGEST format of NTdev.
This essentially lists all the subject lines and then just appends all the
messages together with “---------” bars in between them. I don’t know of a
mail reader that could handle this mix of text and HTML, although
theoretically they should be able to since the HTML sections should be
separated with . Nonetheless, in the mail readers that I use,
it looks fairly crappy and is annoying to find the next message.

Personally, I would like to at least see a note sent to the sender
suggesting that posting in plain text is preferred, but while I wouldn’t
object to rejecting the posting, I suspect that it might dissuade the
first-time poster.

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I hate HTML, and much prefer plain text. A qualifier on that … it’s
not that I hate HTML, it’s that some “pretty printing” is really physically
difficult for me to read. The simple solution I have found is to round file
it and go on … However, I find some discussions critical to the work that
I do and if some one insists on posting using what they consider “pretty
printing” then I have a vital thread cluttered up with junk. Some say,
reformat it. Why should I have to, when all it takes is for the poster to
turn OFF the bandwidth wasting crap in the first place.

Damn … I also shudder at censorship, and rejecting HTML verges on
censorship. However, HTML adds nothing to the meaning or content of the
text, and as such is really not needed. Besides, your eye candy is my
festering pustule, and vice verse. Therefore, my vote is to reject HTML from
the list. (Quickly I look at my settings to be sure I am posting in plain
text.)

Gary G. Little
Broadband Storage, Inc.
xxxxx@broadstor.com
xxxxx@inland.net

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Viscarola [mailto:xxxxx@osr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 8:33 PM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Should NTDEV REJECT postings in HTML?

Several folks have whined about postings in HTML.

It is a rather simple matter to make the list server reject (almost) all
postings in HTML. The posting would be rejected in the same way that
postings with attachments – when an HTML posting is received, the poster
would get back a message saying their message was rejected because this list
doesn’t accept posts in HTML.

Alternatively, it would also be simple to accept postings in HTML, but send
a note back to the poster saying “in future, please post in plain text.”

It is real work (i.e. a step above trivial and likely never to reach the top
of our “prioritized list of things to do”) to strip the HTML out of a
message and wind-up with something that almost never looks stupid.

The list slaves have no strongly held belief regarding this matter –
Though, I think, in order to banish the use of HTML from the list forever
we’d want to see a very strong consensus expressed by the list members.

Peter
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> The reason that HTML doesn’t work for me, and I suspect many of the people

that have complained, is because we read the DAILY DIGEST format of NTdev.

Probably it’s a problem with a way how the digest is made?
I’d guess it’s pretty easy to strip html parts out of message.
Some people just do not know and/or cannot control the format
of the message when it goes through corporate servers or whatever
email bridges/converters they may have.

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Not to play the devil’s advocate part here, but how about taking advantage
of html for the Daily Digest too ? Something like what quote.yahoo.com does
with their stock quote messages ? I personally like html mail, it gives me
more functionality and more flexibility.

Alberto.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gera Kazakov [mailto:xxxxx@setengineering.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 11:22 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] RE: Should NTDEV *REJECT* postings in HTML?

The reason that HTML doesn’t work for me, and I suspect many of the people
that have complained, is because we read the DAILY DIGEST format of NTdev.

Probably it’s a problem with a way how the digest is made?
I’d guess it’s pretty easy to strip html parts out of message.
Some people just do not know and/or cannot control the format
of the message when it goes through corporate servers or whatever
email bridges/converters they may have.

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I found out that Outlook will reply in HTML if the original post was HTML -
even though I have “plain text” selected as my default. If we just rejected
all posts in HTML, it would be easier. That way no original posts in HTML
would get through and then people who use Outlook would not have to remember
to switch the post to plain text. My two cents - I’m done now…

  • Dennis

Dennis Merrill
Embedded Systems Engineer
Thermo Electron Corporation
Spectroscopy Division

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Little [mailto:xxxxx@Broadstor.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 10:13 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] RE: Should NTDEV *REJECT* postings in HTML?

I hate HTML, and much prefer plain text. A qualifier on that … it’s
not that I hate HTML, it’s that some “pretty printing” is really physically
difficult for me to read. The simple solution I have found is to round file
it and go on … However, I find some discussions critical to the work that
I do and if some one insists on posting using what they consider “pretty
printing” then I have a vital thread cluttered up with junk. Some say,
reformat it. Why should I have to, when all it takes is for the poster to
turn OFF the bandwidth wasting crap in the first place.

Damn … I also shudder at censorship, and rejecting HTML verges on
censorship. However, HTML adds nothing to the meaning or content of the
text, and as such is really not needed. Besides, your eye candy is my
festering pustule, and vice verse. Therefore, my vote is to reject HTML from
the list. (Quickly I look at my settings to be sure I am posting in plain
text.)

Gary G. Little
Broadband Storage, Inc.
xxxxx@broadstor.com
xxxxx@inland.net

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Viscarola [mailto:xxxxx@osr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 8:33 PM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Should NTDEV REJECT postings in HTML?

Several folks have whined about postings in HTML.

It is a rather simple matter to make the list server reject (almost) all
postings in HTML. The posting would be rejected in the same way that
postings with attachments – when an HTML posting is received, the poster
would get back a message saying their message was rejected because this list
doesn’t accept posts in HTML.

Alternatively, it would also be simple to accept postings in HTML, but send
a note back to the poster saying “in future, please post in plain text.”

It is real work (i.e. a step above trivial and likely never to reach the top
of our “prioritized list of things to do”) to strip the HTML out of a
message and wind-up with something that almost never looks stupid.

The list slaves have no strongly held belief regarding this matter –
Though, I think, in order to banish the use of HTML from the list forever
we’d want to see a very strong consensus expressed by the list members.

Peter
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At the risk of appearing clueless, I vote with the digest readers and
suggest that you reject HTML. However, I publicly acknowledge the very
real possibility that this reply might be in HTML, because this
Notes/Domino combination appears to not give a rats backside what I want it
to do, and seems to arbitrarily send in whatever format the local ambient
temperature, or maybe the cows, tell it to.

Phil

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Subject: [ntdev] Should NTDEV REJECT postings in HTML?

Several folks have whined about postings in HTML.

It is a rather simple matter to make the list server reject (almost) all
postings in HTML. The posting would be rejected in the same way that
postings with attachments – when an HTML posting is received, the poster
would get back a message saying their message was rejected because this
list
doesn’t accept posts in HTML.

Alternatively, it would also be simple to accept postings in HTML, but send
a note back to the poster saying “in future, please post in plain text.”

It is real work (i.e. a step above trivial and likely never to reach the
top
of our “prioritized list of things to do”) to strip the HTML out of a
message and wind-up with something that almost never looks stupid.

The list slaves have no strongly held belief regarding this matter –
Though, I think, in order to banish the use of HTML from the list forever
we’d want to see a very strong consensus expressed by the list members.

Peter
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Plain text works for me!
-t.

-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@thermonicolet.com [mailto:xxxxx@thermonicolet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 10:33 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] RE: Should NTDEV *REJECT* postings in HTML?

I found out that Outlook will reply in HTML if the original post was HTML -
even though I have “plain text” selected as my default. If we just rejected
all posts in HTML, it would be easier. That way no original posts in HTML
would get through and then people who use Outlook would not have to remember
to switch the post to plain text. My two cents - I’m done now…

  • Dennis

Dennis Merrill
Embedded Systems Engineer
Thermo Electron Corporation
Spectroscopy Division

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Little [ mailto:xxxxx@Broadstor.com
mailto:xxxxx ]
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 10:13 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] RE: Should NTDEV REJECT postings in HTML?

I hate HTML, and much prefer plain text. A qualifier on that … it’s

not that I hate HTML, it’s that some “pretty printing” is really physically
difficult for me to read. The simple solution I have found is to round file
it and go on … However, I find some discussions critical to the work that
I do and if some one insists on posting using what they consider “pretty
printing” then I have a vital thread cluttered up with junk. Some say,
reformat it. Why should I have to, when all it takes is for the poster to
turn OFF the bandwidth wasting crap in the first place.

Damn … I also shudder at censorship, and rejecting HTML verges on
censorship. However, HTML adds nothing to the meaning or content of the
text, and as such is really not needed. Besides, your eye candy is my
festering pustule, and vice verse. Therefore, my vote is to reject HTML from

the list. (Quickly I look at my settings to be sure I am posting in plain
text.)

Gary G. Little
Broadband Storage, Inc.
xxxxx@broadstor.com
xxxxx@inland.net

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Viscarola [mailto:xxxxx@osr.com mailto:xxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 8:33 PM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Should NTDEV REJECT postings in HTML?

Several folks have whined about postings in HTML.

It is a rather simple matter to make the list server reject (almost) all
postings in HTML. The posting would be rejected in the same way that
postings with attachments – when an HTML posting is received, the poster
would get back a message saying their message was rejected because this list

doesn’t accept posts in HTML.

Alternatively, it would also be simple to accept postings in HTML, but send
a note back to the poster saying “in future, please post in plain text.”

It is real work (i.e. a step above trivial and likely never to reach the top

of our “prioritized list of things to do”) to strip the HTML out of a
message and wind-up with something that almost never looks stupid.

The list slaves have no strongly held belief regarding this matter –
Though, I think, in order to banish the use of HTML from the list forever
we’d want to see a very strong consensus expressed by the list members.

Peter
NTDEV List Slave

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I guess I’ll weigh in here as well.

NO MORE F-n HTML, please.

Greg
-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]On Behalf Of Swanson, Tom
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 10:50 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] RE: Should NTDEV *REJECT* postings in HTML?

Plain text works for me!
-t.
-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@thermonicolet.com [mailto:xxxxx@thermonicolet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 10:33 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] RE: Should NTDEV *REJECT* postings in HTML?

I found out that Outlook will reply in HTML if the original post was HTML -
even though I have “plain text” selected as my default. If we just rejected
all posts in HTML, it would be easier. That way no original posts in HTML
would get through and then people who use Outlook would not have to remember
to switch the post to plain text. My two cents - I’m done now…

  • Dennis

Dennis Merrill
Embedded Systems Engineer
Thermo Electron Corporation
Spectroscopy Division

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Little [mailto:xxxxx@Broadstor.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 10:13 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] RE: Should NTDEV *REJECT* postings in HTML?
I hate HTML, and much prefer plain text. A qualifier on that … it’s
not that I hate HTML, it’s that some “pretty printing” is really physically
difficult for me to read. The simple solution I have found is to round file
it and go on … However, I find some discussions critical to the work that
I do and if some one insists on posting using what they consider “pretty
printing” then I have a vital thread cluttered up with junk. Some say,
reformat it. Why should I have to, when all it takes is for the poster to
turn OFF the bandwidth wasting crap in the first place.
Damn … I also shudder at censorship, and rejecting HTML verges on
censorship. However, HTML adds nothing to the meaning or content of the
text, and as such is really not needed. Besides, your eye candy is my
festering pustule, and vice verse. Therefore, my vote is to reject HTML from
the list. (Quickly I look at my settings to be sure I am posting in plain
text.)

Gary G. Little
Broadband Storage, Inc.
xxxxx@broadstor.com
xxxxx@inland.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Viscarola [mailto:xxxxx@osr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 8:33 PM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Should NTDEV REJECT postings in HTML?
Several folks have whined about postings in HTML.
It is a rather simple matter to make the list server reject (almost) all
postings in HTML. The posting would be rejected in the same way that
postings with attachments – when an HTML posting is received, the poster
would get back a message saying their message was rejected because this list
doesn’t accept posts in HTML.
Alternatively, it would also be simple to accept postings in HTML, but send
a note back to the poster saying “in future, please post in plain text.”
It is real work (i.e. a step above trivial and likely never to reach the top
of our “prioritized list of things to do”) to strip the HTML out of a
message and wind-up with something that almost never looks stupid.
The list slaves have no strongly held belief regarding this matter –
Though, I think, in order to banish the use of HTML from the list forever
we’d want to see a very strong consensus expressed by the list members.
Peter
NTDEV List Slave

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