Hello all tops,
Do you have the source code of Regmon? Could you email it to me?
Thanks in advance.
Anthony
Watch it folks, the resident Xenophobe is about to pontificate …
And in this corner we have another request from a code-kiddy to this group
to assist them in pirating software. I saw a neat commercial today
concerning the pirating of theatrical works (that’s movies for the
code-kiddies). The commercial basically points out that if the pirates had
no customers there just might not be a market for piracy. Gee … what a
concept. Personally, I find software pirates a bit more disgusting. Ben
Afleck ain’t going to suffer that much if he looses a few cents from his
residuals on “Dare Devil”, but Mark and Bryce could be significantly
impacted.
Hey, sweet Anthony, Mark and Bryce have the source, why don’t you ask them?
Oh … they want MONEY for it. Hell, dude, you can’t even afford an email
address, so I highly doubt you can whip out the coin it would take to
purchase a legitimate license for the source from SysInternals!!!
Of course next comes the good old argument of how knowledge should be free
and freely shared … or there’s the good old “Poor me … I’m from a 3rd
world country and deserve your pity”. First, knowledge ain’t free, and
second I talk with and help to many respectable developers from the same 3rd
world to believe that.
O enough of this … go somewhere else to mooch and beg …
–
Gary G. Little
“Anthony” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
>
> Hello all tops,
>
> Do you have the source code of Regmon? Could you email it to me?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Anthony
>
>
>
>
“Anthony” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
>
> Do you have the source code of Regmon? Could you email it to me?
>
DO NOT post requests to violate intellectual property laws – such as
requests for unlicensed copies or source code of software – to this forum.
A repeat violation WILL result in your being banned from OSR controlle
forums and sites.
Peter
OSR
NTDEV/NTFSD List Slave Emeritus
C’mon folks, let’s not be so quick to accuse a person of this sort of thing.
There is a similar reaction just today in
microsoft.public.win32.programmer.kernel under “executing arbitrary data…” In
the present case, the original poster could have imagined that in times past
RegMon was available in source code form and that somebody might have a copy of
that. It would have sufficed to reply that RegMon is not now available from its
author in source form and that the respondent knows of no older forms
legitimately available in source.
“Gary G. Little” wrote:
And in this corner we have another request from a code-kiddy to this group
to assist them in pirating software.
Peter Viscarola wrote:
DO NOT post requests to violate intellectual property laws – such as
requests for unlicensed copies or source code of software – to this forum.
–
If replying by e-mail, please remove “nospam.” from the address.
James Antognini
Windows DDK MVP
Do you have a specific question about functionality regmon has that perhaps
we could answer?
-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]On Behalf Of Anthony
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 1:24 AM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Regmon?
Hello all tops,
Do you have the source code of Regmon? Could you email it to me?
Thanks in advance.
Anthony
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Some time ago I asked Mark R. about the reason:
I noticed sources for both Filemon and Regmon utilities aren't
available as
previously. Is it intentional or an omission?
Intentional. Too many people were using them in commercial software
without paying a licensing fee.
It is quite understandable; I remember many posts in both ntdev and ntfsd
list "I modified filemon / regmon driver and want...". It's a pity because
sources were interesting and developers could learn a lot from them. I
really mean learn and not copy&paste.
Best regards,
Michal Vodicka
STMicroelectronics Design and Application s.r.o.
[michal.vodicka@st.com, http:://www.st.com]
From:
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Reply To: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 4:52 PM
To: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?C'mon folks, let's not be so quick to accuse a person of this sort of
thing.
There is a similar reaction just today in
microsoft.public.win32.programmer.kernel under "executing arbitrary
data.." In
the present case, the original poster could have imagined that in times
past
RegMon was available in source code form and that somebody might have a
copy of
that. It would have sufficed to reply that RegMon is not now available
from its
author in source form and that the respondent knows of no older forms
legitimately available in source."Gary G. Little" wrote:
>
> And in this corner we have another request from a code-kiddy to this
group
> to assist them in pirating software.Peter Viscarola wrote:
> DO NOT post requests to violate intellectual property laws -- such as
> requests for unlicensed copies or source code of software -- to this
forum.--
If replying by e-mail, please remove "nospam." from the address.James Antognini
Windows DDK MVP
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This happens quite often. The same thing happened to me with my virtual
disk driver. We released the source to the public and this guy named
Bosse did mostly copy&past of my code and then published it under GPL. I
too removed the source from the public. What a shame.
Jamey
-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Michal Vodicka
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:23 AM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?
Some time ago I asked Mark R. about the reason:
I noticed sources for both Filemon and Regmon utilities aren't
available as
previously. Is it intentional or an omission?
Intentional. Too many people were using them in commercial software
without paying a licensing fee.
It is quite understandable; I remember many posts in both ntdev and
ntfsd
list "I modified filemon / regmon driver and want...". It's a pity
because
sources were interesting and developers could learn a lot from them. I
really mean learn and not copy&paste.
Best regards,
Michal Vodicka
STMicroelectronics Design and Application s.r.o.
[michal.vodicka@st.com, http:://www.st.com]
From:
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Reply To: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 4:52 PM
To: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?C'mon folks, let's not be so quick to accuse a person of this sort of
thing.
There is a similar reaction just today in
microsoft.public.win32.programmer.kernel under "executing arbitrary
data.." In
the present case, the original poster could have imagined that in
times
past
RegMon was available in source code form and that somebody might have
a
copy of
that. It would have sufficed to reply that RegMon is not now available
from its
author in source form and that the respondent knows of no older forms
legitimately available in source."Gary G. Little" wrote:
>
> And in this corner we have another request from a code-kiddy to this
group
> to assist them in pirating software.Peter Viscarola wrote:
> DO NOT post requests to violate intellectual property laws -- such
as
> requests for unlicensed copies or source code of software -- to this
forum.--
If replying by e-mail, please remove "nospam." from the address.James Antognini
Windows DDK MVP
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What about OSR releasing the code as GPL?
Mat
-----Original Message-----
From: Jamey Kirby [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 2:35 PM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?
This happens quite often. The same thing happened to me with my virtual
disk driver. We released the source to the public and this guy named
Bosse did mostly copy&past of my code and then published it under GPL. I
too removed the source from the public. What a shame.
Jamey
-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Michal Vodicka
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:23 AM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?
Some time ago I asked Mark R. about the reason:
I noticed sources for both Filemon and Regmon utilities aren't
available as
previously. Is it intentional or an omission?
Intentional. Too many people were using them in commercial software
without paying a licensing fee.
It is quite understandable; I remember many posts in both ntdev and
ntfsd
list "I modified filemon / regmon driver and want...". It's a pity
because
sources were interesting and developers could learn a lot from them. I
really mean learn and not copy&paste.
Best regards,
Michal Vodicka
STMicroelectronics Design and Application s.r.o.
[michal.vodicka@st.com, http:://www.st.com]
From:
xxxxx@mindspring.nospam.com[SMTP:xxxxx@mindspring.nospam.com]
Reply To: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 4:52 PM
To: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?C'mon folks, let's not be so quick to accuse a person of this sort of
thing.
There is a similar reaction just today in
microsoft.public.win32.programmer.kernel under "executing arbitrary
data.." In
the present case, the original poster could have imagined that in
times
past
RegMon was available in source code form and that somebody might have
a
copy of
that. It would have sufficed to reply that RegMon is not now available
from its
author in source form and that the respondent knows of no older forms
legitimately available in source."Gary G. Little" wrote:
>
> And in this corner we have another request from a code-kiddy to this
group
> to assist them in pirating software.Peter Viscarola wrote:
> DO NOT post requests to violate intellectual property laws -- such
as
> requests for unlicensed copies or source code of software -- to this
forum.--
If replying by e-mail, please remove "nospam." from the address.James Antognini
Windows DDK MVP
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I think most of the OSR code are genuine, invented/researched/whatever...
But copying someoneelse's effort is a criminal offense. Yes it is c o, in my
opinion.
Otherday someone mentioned half or (may be quarter) of the hurdel to become
a good
programmer is to find the links, understand, and use it. He mentioned
understand, not just c&p.
But unfortunately, may be, and
I said may be, some developers are so out of the line, they would do such a
thing like what
Jamey explained ... For them, they might be more successful if they try to
be profession mugger...
-prokash
-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]On Behalf Of Mathieu Routhier
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 12:20 PM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?
What about OSR releasing the code as GPL?
Mat
-----Original Message-----
From: Jamey Kirby [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 2:35 PM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?
This happens quite often. The same thing happened to me with my virtual
disk driver. We released the source to the public and this guy named
Bosse did mostly copy&past of my code and then published it under GPL. I
too removed the source from the public. What a shame.
Jamey
-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Michal Vodicka
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:23 AM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?
Some time ago I asked Mark R. about the reason:
I noticed sources for both Filemon and Regmon utilities aren't
available as
previously. Is it intentional or an omission?
Intentional. Too many people were using them in commercial software
without paying a licensing fee.
It is quite understandable; I remember many posts in both ntdev and
ntfsd
list "I modified filemon / regmon driver and want...". It's a pity
because
sources were interesting and developers could learn a lot from them. I
really mean learn and not copy&paste.
Best regards,
Michal Vodicka
STMicroelectronics Design and Application s.r.o.
[michal.vodicka@st.com, http:://www.st.com]
From:
xxxxx@mindspring.nospam.com[SMTP:xxxxx@mindspring.nospam.com]
Reply To: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 4:52 PM
To: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?C'mon folks, let's not be so quick to accuse a person of this sort of
thing.
There is a similar reaction just today in
microsoft.public.win32.programmer.kernel under "executing arbitrary
data.." In
the present case, the original poster could have imagined that in
times
past
RegMon was available in source code form and that somebody might have
a
copy of
that. It would have sufficed to reply that RegMon is not now available
from its
author in source form and that the respondent knows of no older forms
legitimately available in source."Gary G. Little" wrote:
>
> And in this corner we have another request from a code-kiddy to this
group
> to assist them in pirating software.Peter Viscarola wrote:
> DO NOT post requests to violate intellectual property laws -- such
as
> requests for unlicensed copies or source code of software -- to this
forum.--
If replying by e-mail, please remove "nospam." from the address.James Antognini
Windows DDK MVP
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What? They released the FSDK as GPL?
Seriously, what are you talking about?
=====================
Mark Roddy
Hollis Technology Solutions
www.hollistech.com
xxxxx@hollistech.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Mathieu Routhier [mailto:xxxxx@guillemot.com]
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 3:20 PM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?
What about OSR releasing the code as GPL?
Mat
-----Original Message-----
From: Jamey Kirby [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 2:35 PM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?
This happens quite often. The same thing happened to me with my virtual disk
driver. We released the source to the public and this guy named Bosse did
mostly copy&past of my code and then published it under GPL. I too removed
the source from the public. What a shame.
Jamey
-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]
On Behalf Of Michal Vodicka
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:23 AM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?
Some time ago I asked Mark R. about the reason:
I noticed sources for both Filemon and Regmon utilities aren't
available as
previously. Is it intentional or an omission?
Intentional. Too many people were using them in commercial software without
paying a licensing fee.
It is quite understandable; I remember many posts in both ntdev and ntfsd
list "I modified filemon / regmon driver and want...". It's a pity because
sources were interesting and developers could learn a lot from them. I
really mean learn and not copy&paste.
Best regards,
Michal Vodicka
STMicroelectronics Design and Application s.r.o. [michal.vodicka@st.com,
http:://www.st.com]
From:
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Reply To: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 4:52 PM
To: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?C'mon folks, let's not be so quick to accuse a person of this sort of
thing. There is a similar reaction just today in
microsoft.public.win32.programmer.kernel under "executing arbitrary
data.." In
the present case, the original poster could have imagined that in
times
past
RegMon was available in source code form and that somebody might have
a
copy of
that. It would have sufficed to reply that RegMon is not now available
from its author in source form and that the respondent knows of no
older forms legitimately available in source."Gary G. Little" wrote:
>
> And in this corner we have another request from a code-kiddy to this
group
> to assist them in pirating software.Peter Viscarola wrote:
> DO NOT post requests to violate intellectual property laws -- such
as
> requests for unlicensed copies or source code of software -- to this
forum.--
If replying by e-mail, please remove "nospam." from the address.James Antognini
Windows DDK MVP
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RegMon is sysinternals.com, not OSR.
Mathieu Routhier wrote:
What about OSR releasing the code as GPL?
Mat
-----Original Message-----
From: Jamey Kirby [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 2:35 PM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?This happens quite often. The same thing happened to me with my virtual
disk driver. We released the source to the public and this guy named
Bosse did mostly copy&past of my code and then published it under GPL. I
too removed the source from the public. What a shame.Jamey
-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Michal Vodicka
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:23 AM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?Some time ago I asked Mark R. about the reason:
>I noticed sources for both Filemon and Regmon utilities aren’t
available as
>previously. Is it intentional or an omission?
>Intentional. Too many people were using them in commercial software
without paying a licensing fee.It is quite understandable; I remember many posts in both ntdev and
ntfsd
list “I modified filemon / regmon driver and want…”. It’s a pity
because
sources were interesting and developers could learn a lot from them. I
really mean learn and not copy&paste.Best regards,
Michal Vodicka
STMicroelectronics Design and Application s.r.o.
[michal.vodicka@st.com, http:://www.st.com]>----------
>From:
>xxxxx@mindspring.nospam.com[SMTP:xxxxx@mindspring.nospam.com]
>Reply To: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 4:52 PM
>To: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?
>
>C’mon folks, let’s not be so quick to accuse a person of this sort of
>thing.
>There is a similar reaction just today in
>microsoft.public.win32.programmer.kernel under “executing arbitrary
>data…” In
>the present case, the original poster could have imagined that intimes
>past
>RegMon was available in source code form and that somebody might havea
>copy of
>that. It would have sufficed to reply that RegMon is not now available
>from its
>author in source form and that the respondent knows of no older forms
>legitimately available in source.
>
>
>“Gary G. Little” wrote:
>
>
>>And in this corner we have another request from a code-kiddy to this
>
>group
>
>>to assist them in pirating software.
>
>Peter Viscarola wrote:
>
>
>>DO NOT post requests to violate intellectual property laws – suchas
>>requests for unlicensed copies or source code of software – to this
>
>forum.
>
>–
>If replying by e-mail, please remove “nospam.” from the address.
>
>James Antognini
>Windows DDK MVP
>
>
>
>—
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>
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–
- Nick Ryan (MVP for DDK)
“Mathieu Routhier” wrote in message
news:xxxxx@ntdev…
>
> What about OSR releasing the code as GPL?
>
eh??
I think you mean Winternals… the people who own REGMON and FILEMON, right?
Peter
OSR
“Roddy, Mark” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
>
> What? They released the FSDK as GPL?
>
[oh yeah! Checked it into freshmeat. Didn’t you see the discussion on
slashdot? We did that right after the port to Linux, as part of the 2.6
kernel work.
Sorry, couldn’t resist… ]
P
I think M.Russinovich would get a little bit angry … 
Why are samples needed if you own the DDK’s ? My answer is : because the MS documentation is far from complete. Functions are
described to statically and you have to puzzle around to find out how to use them, where and when. Chapters describing the design do
contain to much references, which make them hard to read and timespending. And even … if things become to difficult to explain …
a reference to a sample is made. Conclusion : without some good books from W.Oney and others, a newbie is lost in a jungle. My motto
is : if you cannot explain it in a way a “normal” intelligent man can understand it, then there is something wrong with your own
knowledge … or there is something essentially wrong with what you try to explain.
My personal opinion is, just to be honest, and not to blame anyone who feels addressed, time will never come that a well structured,
pure-technical ( no novel ) description will exist for MS products. The time that I could lick my lips on German software
descriptions lays also 20 years behind me - and that where no samples.
----- Original Message -----
From: “Mathieu Routhier”
To: “Windows System Software Developers Interest List”
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 9:20 PM
Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?
> What about OSR releasing the code as GPL?
>
> Mat
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jamey Kirby [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 2:35 PM
> To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
> Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?
>
> This happens quite often. The same thing happened to me with my virtual
> disk driver. We released the source to the public and this guy named
> Bosse did mostly copy&past of my code and then published it under GPL. I
> too removed the source from the public. What a shame.
>
> Jamey
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Michal Vodicka
> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:23 AM
> To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
> Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?
>
> Some time ago I asked Mark R. about the reason:
> ----
> > I noticed sources for both Filemon and Regmon utilities aren’t
> available as
> > previously. Is it intentional or an omission?
> >
>
> Intentional. Too many people were using them in commercial software
> without paying a licensing fee.
> ----
>
> It is quite understandable; I remember many posts in both ntdev and
> ntfsd
> list “I modified filemon / regmon driver and want…”. It’s a pity
> because
> sources were interesting and developers could learn a lot from them. I
> really mean learn and not copy&paste.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Michal Vodicka
> STMicroelectronics Design and Application s.r.o.
> [michal.vodicka@st.com, http:://www.st.com]
>
> > ----------
> > From:
> > xxxxx@mindspring.nospam.com[SMTP:xxxxx@mindspring.nospam.com]
> > Reply To: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 4:52 PM
> > To: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> > Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?
> >
> > C’mon folks, let’s not be so quick to accuse a person of this sort of
> > thing.
> > There is a similar reaction just today in
> > microsoft.public.win32.programmer.kernel under “executing arbitrary
> > data…” In
> > the present case, the original poster could have imagined that in
> times
> > past
> > RegMon was available in source code form and that somebody might have
> a
> > copy of
> > that. It would have sufficed to reply that RegMon is not now available
> > from its
> > author in source form and that the respondent knows of no older forms
> > legitimately available in source.
> >
> >
> > “Gary G. Little” wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > And in this corner we have another request from a code-kiddy to this
> > group
> > > to assist them in pirating software.
> >
> > Peter Viscarola wrote:
> >
> > > DO NOT post requests to violate intellectual property laws – such
> as
> > > requests for unlicensed copies or source code of software – to this
> > forum.
> >
> > –
> > If replying by e-mail, please remove “nospam.” from the address.
> >
> > James Antognini
> > Windows DDK MVP
> >
> >
> >
> > —
> > You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: michal.vodicka@st.com
> > To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> >
>
>
> —
> Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
> http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>
> —
> You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@storagecraft.com
> To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>
>
>
> —
> Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
> http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>
> You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@guillemot.com
> To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>
>
> —
> Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>
> You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@compaqnet.be
> To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>
You are a little off in your understanding of what the DDK is supposed to
be. It is not a novice tutorial. The help files are for reference and not
a “how to” book. That is why Walter, Peter, Tony, etc. have an opportunity
to make money. They write the books that contain a tutorial with samples
and the why, wherefore, and what not to do. Mainframes came with many books
for the various parts of the computer and the software the vendor provided.
They were not tutorial but just reference. The vendor had classes to tutor
developers in the basics and then the reference books could be used to
develop software after the training. That gave the vendor more
opportunities for making money. Many mainframe vendors provided a lot of
source code for the OS and other subsystems and many programmers learned how
to write code from them.
“Christiaan Ghijselinck” wrote in
message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
>
>
> I think M.Russinovich would get a little bit angry …
>
> Why are samples needed if you own the DDK’s ? My answer is : because the
MS documentation is far from complete. Functions are
> described to statically and you have to puzzle around to find out how to
use them, where and when. Chapters describing the design do
> contain to much references, which make them hard to read and timespending.
And even … if things become to difficult to explain …
> a reference to a sample is made. Conclusion : without some good books from
W.Oney and others, a newbie is lost in a jungle. My motto
> is : if you cannot explain it in a way a “normal” intelligent man can
understand it, then there is something wrong with your own
> knowledge … or there is something essentially wrong with what you try to
explain.
>
> My personal opinion is, just to be honest, and not to blame anyone who
feels addressed, time will never come that a well structured,
> pure-technical ( no novel ) description will exist for MS products. The
time that I could lick my lips on German software
> descriptions lays also 20 years behind me - and that where no samples.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: “Mathieu Routhier”
> To: “Windows System Software Developers Interest List”
> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 9:20 PM
> Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?
>
>
> > What about OSR releasing the code as GPL?
> >
> > Mat
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jamey Kirby [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
> > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 2:35 PM
> > To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
> > Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?
> >
> > This happens quite often. The same thing happened to me with my virtual
> > disk driver. We released the source to the public and this guy named
> > Bosse did mostly copy&past of my code and then published it under GPL. I
> > too removed the source from the public. What a shame.
> >
> > Jamey
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> > [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Michal Vodicka
> > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:23 AM
> > To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
> > Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?
> >
> > Some time ago I asked Mark R. about the reason:
> > ----
> > > I noticed sources for both Filemon and Regmon utilities aren’t
> > available as
> > > previously. Is it intentional or an omission?
> > >
> >
> > Intentional. Too many people were using them in commercial software
> > without paying a licensing fee.
> > ----
> >
> > It is quite understandable; I remember many posts in both ntdev and
> > ntfsd
> > list “I modified filemon / regmon driver and want…”. It’s a pity
> > because
> > sources were interesting and developers could learn a lot from them. I
> > really mean learn and not copy&paste.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Michal Vodicka
> > STMicroelectronics Design and Application s.r.o.
> > [michal.vodicka@st.com, http:://www.st.com]
> >
> > > ----------
> > > From:
> > > xxxxx@mindspring.nospam.com[SMTP:xxxxx@mindspring.nospam.com]
> > > Reply To: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> > > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 4:52 PM
> > > To: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> > > Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?
> > >
> > > C’mon folks, let’s not be so quick to accuse a person of this sort of
> > > thing.
> > > There is a similar reaction just today in
> > > microsoft.public.win32.programmer.kernel under “executing arbitrary
> > > data…” In
> > > the present case, the original poster could have imagined that in
> > times
> > > past
> > > RegMon was available in source code form and that somebody might have
> > a
> > > copy of
> > > that. It would have sufficed to reply that RegMon is not now available
> > > from its
> > > author in source form and that the respondent knows of no older forms
> > > legitimately available in source.
> > >
> > >
> > > “Gary G. Little” wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > And in this corner we have another request from a code-kiddy to this
> > > group
> > > > to assist them in pirating software.
> > >
> > > Peter Viscarola wrote:
> > >
> > > > DO NOT post requests to violate intellectual property laws – such
> > as
> > > > requests for unlicensed copies or source code of software – to this
> > > forum.
> > >
> > > –
> > > If replying by e-mail, please remove “nospam.” from the address.
> > >
> > > James Antognini
> > > Windows DDK MVP
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > —
> > > You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: michal.vodicka@st.com
> > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> > >
> >
> >
> > —
> > Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
> > http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
> >
> > —
> > You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@storagecraft.com
> > To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> >
> >
> >
> > —
> > Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
> > http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
> >
> > You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@guillemot.com
> > To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> >
> >
> > —
> > Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
> >
> > You are currently subscribed to ntdev as:
xxxxx@compaqnet.be
> > To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> >
>
>
>
>
If you know what the ZIP file is called, it’s out there on the web in
about a dozen places (according to 15 seconds with google). I also
notice that there’s no license as part of the package, or on any of the
source, simply a copyright.
It’s hard to undo putting something on the internet.
opinions my own, and not my employers
-----Original Message-----
From: Christiaan Ghijselinck
[mailto:xxxxx@CompaqNet.be]
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 1:30 PM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?
I think M.Russinovich would get a little bit angry …
Why are samples needed if you own the DDK’s ? My answer is : because the
MS documentation is far from complete. Functions are
described to statically and you have to puzzle around to find out how to
use them, where and when. Chapters describing the design do
contain to much references, which make them hard to read and
timespending. And even … if things become to difficult to explain …
a reference to a sample is made. Conclusion : without some good books
from W.Oney and others, a newbie is lost in a jungle. My motto
is : if you cannot explain it in a way a “normal” intelligent man can
understand it, then there is something wrong with your own
knowledge … or there is something essentially wrong with what you try
to explain.
My personal opinion is, just to be honest, and not to blame anyone who
feels addressed, time will never come that a well structured,
pure-technical ( no novel ) description will exist for MS products. The
time that I could lick my lips on German software
descriptions lays also 20 years behind me - and that where no samples.
----- Original Message -----
From: “Mathieu Routhier”
To: “Windows System Software Developers Interest List”
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 9:20 PM
Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?
> What about OSR releasing the code as GPL?
>
> Mat
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jamey Kirby [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 2:35 PM
> To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
> Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?
>
> This happens quite often. The same thing happened to me with my
virtual
> disk driver. We released the source to the public and this guy named
> Bosse did mostly copy&past of my code and then published it under GPL.
I
> too removed the source from the public. What a shame.
>
> Jamey
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Michal Vodicka
> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:23 AM
> To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
> Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?
>
> Some time ago I asked Mark R. about the reason:
> ----
> > I noticed sources for both Filemon and Regmon utilities aren’t
> available as
> > previously. Is it intentional or an omission?
> >
>
> Intentional. Too many people were using them in commercial software
> without paying a licensing fee.
> ----
>
> It is quite understandable; I remember many posts in both ntdev and
> ntfsd
> list “I modified filemon / regmon driver and want…”. It’s a pity
> because
> sources were interesting and developers could learn a lot from them. I
> really mean learn and not copy&paste.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Michal Vodicka
> STMicroelectronics Design and Application s.r.o.
> [michal.vodicka@st.com, http:://www.st.com]
>
> > ----------
> > From:
> >
xxxxx@mindspring.nospam.com[SMTP:xxxxx@mindspring.nospam.com]
> > Reply To: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 4:52 PM
> > To: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> > Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?
> >
> > C’mon folks, let’s not be so quick to accuse a person of this sort
of
> > thing.
> > There is a similar reaction just today in
> > microsoft.public.win32.programmer.kernel under “executing arbitrary
> > data…” In
> > the present case, the original poster could have imagined that in
> times
> > past
> > RegMon was available in source code form and that somebody might
have
> a
> > copy of
> > that. It would have sufficed to reply that RegMon is not now
available
> > from its
> > author in source form and that the respondent knows of no older
forms
> > legitimately available in source.
> >
> >
> > “Gary G. Little” wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > And in this corner we have another request from a code-kiddy to
this
> > group
> > > to assist them in pirating software.
> >
> > Peter Viscarola wrote:
> >
> > > DO NOT post requests to violate intellectual property laws – such
> as
> > > requests for unlicensed copies or source code of software – to
this
> > forum.
> >
> > –
> > If replying by e-mail, please remove “nospam.” from the address.
> >
> > James Antognini
> > Windows DDK MVP
> >
> >
> >
> > —
> > You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: michal.vodicka@st.com
> > To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> >
>
>
> —
> Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
> http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>
> —
> You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@storagecraft.com
> To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>
>
>
> —
> Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
> http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>
> You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@guillemot.com
> To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>
>
> —
> Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>
> You are currently subscribed to ntdev as:
xxxxx@compaqnet.be
> To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>
—
Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@softek.fujitsu.com
To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
Regsrc.zip dated 18 Nov 2002. I have it and it contains a readme that
restricts your usage of the program and source. Just because someone
deleted or modified that file to remove those restrictions does not actually
make the source freeware. BTW, a copyright means all rights are reserved to
the author and someone’s “cut and paste” of their source is not legal. Most
of this just depends upon how much they want to donate to the shysters.
“McDowell, Steve” wrote in message
news:xxxxx@ntdev…
If you know what the ZIP file is called, it’s out there on the web in
about a dozen places (according to 15 seconds with google). I also
notice that there’s no license as part of the package, or on any of the
source, simply a copyright.
It’s hard to undo putting something on the internet.
-
opinions my own, and not my employers
-----Original Message-----
From: Christiaan Ghijselinck
[mailto:xxxxx@CompaqNet.be]
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 1:30 PM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?
I think M.Russinovich would get a little bit angry …
Why are samples needed if you own the DDK’s ? My answer is : because the
MS documentation is far from complete. Functions are
described to statically and you have to puzzle around to find out how to
use them, where and when. Chapters describing the design do
contain to much references, which make them hard to read and
timespending. And even … if things become to difficult to explain …
a reference to a sample is made. Conclusion : without some good books
from W.Oney and others, a newbie is lost in a jungle. My motto
is : if you cannot explain it in a way a “normal” intelligent man can
understand it, then there is something wrong with your own
knowledge … or there is something essentially wrong with what you try
to explain.
My personal opinion is, just to be honest, and not to blame anyone who
feels addressed, time will never come that a well structured,
pure-technical ( no novel ) description will exist for MS products. The
time that I could lick my lips on German software
descriptions lays also 20 years behind me - and that where no samples.
----- Original Message -----
From: “Mathieu Routhier”
To: “Windows System Software Developers Interest List”
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 9:20 PM
Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?
> What about OSR releasing the code as GPL?
>
> Mat
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jamey Kirby [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 2:35 PM
> To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
> Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?
>
> This happens quite often. The same thing happened to me with my
virtual
> disk driver. We released the source to the public and this guy named
> Bosse did mostly copy&past of my code and then published it under GPL.
I
> too removed the source from the public. What a shame.
>
> Jamey
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Michal Vodicka
> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:23 AM
> To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
> Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?
>
> Some time ago I asked Mark R. about the reason:
> ----
> > I noticed sources for both Filemon and Regmon utilities aren’t
> available as
> > previously. Is it intentional or an omission?
> >
>
> Intentional. Too many people were using them in commercial software
> without paying a licensing fee.
> ----
>
> It is quite understandable; I remember many posts in both ntdev and
> ntfsd
> list “I modified filemon / regmon driver and want…”. It’s a pity
> because
> sources were interesting and developers could learn a lot from them. I
> really mean learn and not copy&paste.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Michal Vodicka
> STMicroelectronics Design and Application s.r.o.
> [michal.vodicka@st.com, http:://www.st.com]
>
> > ----------
> > From:
> >
xxxxx@mindspring.nospam.com[SMTP:xxxxx@mindspring.nospam.com]
> > Reply To: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 4:52 PM
> > To: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> > Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?
> >
> > C’mon folks, let’s not be so quick to accuse a person of this sort
of
> > thing.
> > There is a similar reaction just today in
> > microsoft.public.win32.programmer.kernel under “executing arbitrary
> > data…” In
> > the present case, the original poster could have imagined that in
> times
> > past
> > RegMon was available in source code form and that somebody might
have
> a
> > copy of
> > that. It would have sufficed to reply that RegMon is not now
available
> > from its
> > author in source form and that the respondent knows of no older
forms
> > legitimately available in source.
> >
> >
> > “Gary G. Little” wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > And in this corner we have another request from a code-kiddy to
this
> > group
> > > to assist them in pirating software.
> >
> > Peter Viscarola wrote:
> >
> > > DO NOT post requests to violate intellectual property laws – such
> as
> > > requests for unlicensed copies or source code of software – to
this
> > forum.
> >
> > –
> > If replying by e-mail, please remove “nospam.” from the address.
> >
> > James Antognini
> > Windows DDK MVP
> >
> >
> >
> > —
> > You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: michal.vodicka@st.com
> > To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> >
>
>
> —
> Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
> http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>
> —
> You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@storagecraft.com
> To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>
>
>
> —
> Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
> http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>
> You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@guillemot.com
> To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>
>
> —
> Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
>
> You are currently subscribed to ntdev as:
xxxxx@compaqnet.be
> To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
>
—
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http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@softek.fujitsu.com
To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
I don't want this to turn into slashdot, where we sit around and bash
intellectual property all day. I'm a big believer of IP laws and support
them (as they support me).
But I also get very frustrated watching people ask innocent questions
and find themselves completely bashed by the frequent posters here,
something that's an every day occurrence.
It seems reasonable to me that someone ask if there are copies of source
to something that's -been released by the author- to the Internet. Mark
let it go, and did so with a very unrestrictive license. Owning a
copyright doesn't automatically allow you to change the terms of the
license after it's been released.
For the record, the README that is included in the ntregsrc.zip that *I*
downloaded from ntinternals.com on November 2, 1998, has the following:
"
Terms of Use
This software is provided "as is", without any guarantee made as to its
suitability or fitness for any particular use. It may contain bugs, so
use of this tool is at your own risk. We take no responsibility for any
damage that may unintentionally be caused through its use.
You may use the source in commercial applications without fee, however
any software distributed based on Regmon must have significant added
value in functionality over what is present here. For example, you
cannot distribute or sell a Registry Monitor based on this code, though
you can distribute and sell a product that uses Registry monitoring to
capture changes made during a software installation in order to perform
an automatic uninstall.
"
This hasn't been modified by anyone. It was burned onto a CD the day I
downloaded it, it appears.
-----Original Message-----
From: David J. Craig [mailto:xxxxx@yoshimuni.com]
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 3:17 PM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?
Regsrc.zip dated 18 Nov 2002. I have it and it contains a readme that
restricts your usage of the program and source. Just because someone
deleted or modified that file to remove those restrictions does not
actually
make the source freeware. BTW, a copyright means all rights are
reserved to
the author and someone's "cut and paste" of their source is not legal.
Most
of this just depends upon how much they want to donate to the shysters.
"McDowell, Steve" wrote in message
news:xxxxx@ntdev...
If you know what the ZIP file is called, it's out there on the web in
about a dozen places (according to 15 seconds with google). I also
notice that there's no license as part of the package, or on any of the
source, simply a copyright.
It's hard to undo putting something on the internet.
-
opinions my own, and not my employers
-----Original Message-----
From: Christiaan Ghijselinck
[mailto:xxxxx@CompaqNet.be]
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 1:30 PM
To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?
I think M.Russinovich would get a little bit angry .... 
Why are samples needed if you own the DDK's ? My answer is : because the
MS documentation is far from complete. Functions are
described to statically and you have to puzzle around to find out how to
use them, where and when. Chapters describing the design do
contain to much references, which make them hard to read and
timespending. And even ... if things become to difficult to explain ...
a reference to a sample is made. Conclusion : without some good books
from W.Oney and others, a newbie is lost in a jungle. My motto
is : if you cannot explain it in a way a "normal" intelligent man can
understand it, then there is something wrong with your own
knowledge ... or there is something essentially wrong with what you try
to explain.
My personal opinion is, just to be honest, and not to blame anyone who
feels addressed, time will never come that a well structured,
pure-technical ( no novel ) description will exist for MS products. The
time that I could lick my lips on German software
descriptions lays also 20 years behind me - and that where no samples.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mathieu Routhier"
To: "Windows System Software Developers Interest List"
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 9:20 PM
Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?
> What about OSR releasing the code as GPL?
>
> Mat
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jamey Kirby [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 2:35 PM
> To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
> Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?
>
> This happens quite often. The same thing happened to me with my
virtual
> disk driver. We released the source to the public and this guy named
> Bosse did mostly copy&past of my code and then published it under GPL.
I
> too removed the source from the public. What a shame.
>
> Jamey
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Michal Vodicka
> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:23 AM
> To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
> Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?
>
> Some time ago I asked Mark R. about the reason:
> ----
> > I noticed sources for both Filemon and Regmon utilities aren't
> available as
> > previously. Is it intentional or an omission?
> >
>
> Intentional. Too many people were using them in commercial software
> without paying a licensing fee.
> ----
>
> It is quite understandable; I remember many posts in both ntdev and
> ntfsd
> list "I modified filemon / regmon driver and want...". It's a pity
> because
> sources were interesting and developers could learn a lot from them. I
> really mean learn and not copy&paste.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Michal Vodicka
> STMicroelectronics Design and Application s.r.o.
> [michal.vodicka@st.com, http:://www.st.com]
>
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> > From:
> >
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> > Reply To: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 4:52 PM
> > To: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> > Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?
> >
> > C'mon folks, let's not be so quick to accuse a person of this sort
of
> > thing.
> > There is a similar reaction just today in
> > microsoft.public.win32.programmer.kernel under "executing arbitrary
> > data.." In
> > the present case, the original poster could have imagined that in
> times
> > past
> > RegMon was available in source code form and that somebody might
have
> a
> > copy of
> > that. It would have sufficed to reply that RegMon is not now
available
> > from its
> > author in source form and that the respondent knows of no older
forms
> > legitimately available in source.
> >
> >
> > "Gary G. Little" wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > And in this corner we have another request from a code-kiddy to
this
> > group
> > > to assist them in pirating software.
> >
> > Peter Viscarola wrote:
> >
> > > DO NOT post requests to violate intellectual property laws -- such
> as
> > > requests for unlicensed copies or source code of software -- to
this
> > forum.
> >
> > --
> > If replying by e-mail, please remove "nospam." from the address.
> >
> > James Antognini
> > Windows DDK MVP
> >
> >
> >
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Yes, I agree that DDK’s are not novice documents. On the contrary, I would like to find the courses from MS that do explain how to
write drivers or in general, MS software at all. Books written by non MS people are welcome, not only to help clarify and extend,
but also to describe more details for those “advanced” that want to look more inside the OS’s. I personally liked very much the
"Undocumented … " series once published by the Addison Wesley Company.
To be be exact, about my reference : I was referring to the software developed by Siemens AG in the mid 1980’s for their digital
public telephony exchanges ( EWSD ). It was build around a mulitiprocessor system ( 5 x 68000 ) with a lot of pheripheral modules
with each a 8086 on board ( compare it to a PC card with a embedded microcontoller ). All hardware and software were dedicated and
home made, even the compiler, linker and a lot of management tools to accompagny the development. Language used : CHILL = “CCITT
High Level Language” , something based on Pascal.
The OS that served the multiprocessor did multi-processing and was preemptive. … In fact, I never did mainframe software
----- Original Message -----
From: “David J. Craig”
Newsgroups: ntdev
To: “Windows System Software Developers Interest List”
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:28 PM
Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?
> You are a little off in your understanding of what the DDK is supposed to
> be. It is not a novice tutorial. The help files are for reference and not
> a “how to” book. That is why Walter, Peter, Tony, etc. have an opportunity
> to make money. They write the books that contain a tutorial with samples
> and the why, wherefore, and what not to do. Mainframes came with many books
> for the various parts of the computer and the software the vendor provided.
> They were not tutorial but just reference. The vendor had classes to tutor
> developers in the basics and then the reference books could be used to
> develop software after the training. That gave the vendor more
> opportunities for making money. Many mainframe vendors provided a lot of
> source code for the OS and other subsystems and many programmers learned how
> to write code from them.
>
> “Christiaan Ghijselinck” wrote in
> message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> >
> >
> > I think M.Russinovich would get a little bit angry …
> >
> > Why are samples needed if you own the DDK’s ? My answer is : because the
> MS documentation is far from complete. Functions are
> > described to statically and you have to puzzle around to find out how to
> use them, where and when. Chapters describing the design do
> > contain to much references, which make them hard to read and timespending.
> And even … if things become to difficult to explain …
> > a reference to a sample is made. Conclusion : without some good books from
> W.Oney and others, a newbie is lost in a jungle. My motto
> > is : if you cannot explain it in a way a “normal” intelligent man can
> understand it, then there is something wrong with your own
> > knowledge … or there is something essentially wrong with what you try to
> explain.
> >
> > My personal opinion is, just to be honest, and not to blame anyone who
> feels addressed, time will never come that a well structured,
> > pure-technical ( no novel ) description will exist for MS products. The
> time that I could lick my lips on German software
> > descriptions lays also 20 years behind me - and that where no samples.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: “Mathieu Routhier”
> > To: “Windows System Software Developers Interest List”
>
> > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 9:20 PM
> > Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?
> >
> >
> > > What about OSR releasing the code as GPL?
> > >
> > > Mat
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jamey Kirby [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 2:35 PM
> > > To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
> > > Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?
> > >
> > > This happens quite often. The same thing happened to me with my virtual
> > > disk driver. We released the source to the public and this guy named
> > > Bosse did mostly copy&past of my code and then published it under GPL. I
> > > too removed the source from the public. What a shame.
> > >
> > > Jamey
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> > > [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Michal Vodicka
> > > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 11:23 AM
> > > To: Windows System Software Developers Interest List
> > > Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?
> > >
> > > Some time ago I asked Mark R. about the reason:
> > > ----
> > > > I noticed sources for both Filemon and Regmon utilities aren’t
> > > available as
> > > > previously. Is it intentional or an omission?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Intentional. Too many people were using them in commercial software
> > > without paying a licensing fee.
> > > ----
> > >
> > > It is quite understandable; I remember many posts in both ntdev and
> > > ntfsd
> > > list “I modified filemon / regmon driver and want…”. It’s a pity
> > > because
> > > sources were interesting and developers could learn a lot from them. I
> > > really mean learn and not copy&paste.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Michal Vodicka
> > > STMicroelectronics Design and Application s.r.o.
> > > [michal.vodicka@st.com, http:://www.st.com]
> > >
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> > > > Reply To: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> > > > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 4:52 PM
> > > > To: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> > > > Subject: [ntdev] Re: Regmon?
> > > >
> > > > C’mon folks, let’s not be so quick to accuse a person of this sort of
> > > > thing.
> > > > There is a similar reaction just today in
> > > > microsoft.public.win32.programmer.kernel under “executing arbitrary
> > > > data…” In
> > > > the present case, the original poster could have imagined that in
> > > times
> > > > past
> > > > RegMon was available in source code form and that somebody might have
> > > a
> > > > copy of
> > > > that. It would have sufficed to reply that RegMon is not now available
> > > > from its
> > > > author in source form and that the respondent knows of no older forms
> > > > legitimately available in source.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > “Gary G. Little” wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > And in this corner we have another request from a code-kiddy to this
> > > > group
> > > > > to assist them in pirating software.
> > > >
> > > > Peter Viscarola wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > DO NOT post requests to violate intellectual property laws – such
> > > as
> > > > > requests for unlicensed copies or source code of software – to this
> > > > forum.
> > > >
> > > > –
> > > > If replying by e-mail, please remove “nospam.” from the address.
> > > >
> > > > James Antognini
> > > > Windows DDK MVP
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Sorry, but asking an innocent question is far from asking for an email copy
of copyrighted source. Before I hit send on my post I googled and region and
found that Mark and Bryce still held the copyright on it. That placed
Anthony’s request for someone to email him the source in the same category
as a boosted cable box or an illegal copy of “Titanic”. Fruits of the
poisonous tree taints the entire barrel of apples.
Anthony did not ask for a link to a site, he asked for the source. He did
not ask how things were done in the source, he asked for the source. He did
not even ask if the source was still available, he asked for the source.
Unless he personally asked that of the copyright owners I find that illegal
and personally objectionable.
I disagree Steve … by far more than the fairshare of innocent questions on
this list are given decent answers. On several attempts I have attempted to
re-write the question in better English so that the OP could get an answer,
even though I did not have the answer. This not an innocent question.
–
Gary G. Little