Re: How to develop and debug SCSI miniport driver in one machine?

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I personally , while I find the Compuware Softice usefull, I find no use at
all for DS suite and for its kernel mode classes. I dont see any reason
while I would use it. I think Compuware should sell Softice debugger
separatly, and the DS suite whithout it.
But I doubt it will do this , since too few ppl would bother buying DS then.

Dan

----- Original Message -----
From: “Moreira, Alberto”
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Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 4:35 PM
Subject: [ntdev] Re: How to develop and debug SCSI miniport driver in one
machine?

> The DS API is much smaller. And it’s C++.
>
> Alberto.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Maxim S. Shatskih [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 3:46 AM
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> Subject: [ntdev] Re: How to develop and debug SCSI miniport driver in
> one machine?
>
>
> > And DriverStudio can save you the bother of having to waddle
> > through the API.
>
> It cannot, you will need to waddle the DS’s API instead of kernel’s
> one.
>
> Max
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Hell, I would consider recommending the softIce debugger as an alternative,
if it cost less than a second machine … which it doesn’t since it is
bundled with DS.

–
Gary G. Little
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“Dan Partelly” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
>
> I personally , while I find the Compuware Softice usefull, I find no use
at
> all for DS suite and for its kernel mode classes. I dont see any reason
> while I would use it. I think Compuware should sell Softice debugger
> separatly, and the DS suite whithout it.
> But I doubt it will do this , since too few ppl would bother buying DS
then.
>
> Dan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: “Moreira, Alberto”
> To: “NT Developers Interest List”
> Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 4:35 PM
> Subject: [ntdev] Re: How to develop and debug SCSI miniport driver in one
> machine?
>
>
> > The DS API is much smaller. And it’s C++.
> >
> > Alberto.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Maxim S. Shatskih [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
> > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 3:46 AM
> > To: NT Developers Interest List
> > Subject: [ntdev] Re: How to develop and debug SCSI miniport driver in
> > one machine?
> >
> >
> > > And DriverStudio can save you the bother of having to waddle
> > > through the API.
> >
> > It cannot, you will need to waddle the DS’s API instead of kernel’s
> > one.
> >
> > Max
> >
> >
> >
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My god! Just what we need…

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Moreira, Alberto
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 6:36 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: How to develop and debug SCSI miniport driver in
one machine?

By wrapping the API in a C++ class library. You can think of DS as an
“MFC
for Drivers”.

Alberto.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jamey Kirby [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 12:11 PM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: How to develop and debug SCSI miniport driver in
one machine?

>And DriverStudio can save you the bother of having to waddle
through the API. It lets you concentrate on supporting your
hardware. <<

How does it accomplish this?

On 7 Jul 2002, at 8:02, Maxim S. Shatskih wrote:

>I’m developing the SCSI miniport driver in one machine using
>Numega
>Driver Studio Suites.

For what? SCSI miniport is very, very simple, and its logic in 90%
reflects the logic of your HBA hardware.
I don’t think you will have any significant gains in using DS for
miniports.

>I think Driver Stuido is a very good tool. The Softice
>and Drvier Monitor are good utilities for driver development.
>Any one has the same opinion?

I personally prefer WinDbg for debugging, but yes, SoftICE is
irreplaceable tool for Win9x/ME.

Max

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–
Bill McKenzie

“Jamey Kirby” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
>
> My god! Just what we need…
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
> [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Moreira, Alberto
> Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 6:36 AM
> To: NT Developers Interest List
> Subject: [ntdev] Re: How to develop and debug SCSI miniport driver in
> one machine?
>
> By wrapping the API in a C++ class library. You can think of DS as an
> “MFC
> for Drivers”.
>
> Alberto.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jamey Kirby [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 12:11 PM
> To: NT Developers Interest List
> Subject: [ntdev] Re: How to develop and debug SCSI miniport driver in
> one machine?
>
>
> >>And DriverStudio can save you the bother of having to waddle
> through the API. It lets you concentrate on supporting your
> hardware. <<
>
> How does it accomplish this?
>
>
> --------------------------------------
>
> On 7 Jul 2002, at 8:02, Maxim S. Shatskih wrote:
>
> > >I’m developing the SCSI miniport driver in one machine using
> > >Numega
> > >Driver Studio Suites.
> >
> > For what? SCSI miniport is very, very simple, and its logic in 90%
> > reflects the logic of your HBA hardware.
> > I don’t think you will have any significant gains in using DS for
> > miniports.
> >
> > >I think Driver Stuido is a very good tool. The Softice
> > >and Drvier Monitor are good utilities for driver development.
> > >Any one has the same opinion?
> >
> > I personally prefer WinDbg for debugging, but yes, SoftICE is
> > irreplaceable tool for Win9x/ME.
> >
> > Max
> >
> >
> >
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And why do you think your wrappers are simpler then SCSIPORT API
(which is trivial)?

For general WDM drivers, yes, the wrapper can help really a lot - PnP
and power management are non-trivial. But for miniports?

Max

----- Original Message -----
From: “Moreira, Alberto”
To: “NT Developers Interest List”
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 5:36 PM
Subject: [ntdev] Re: How to develop and debug SCSI miniport driver in
one machine?

> By wrapping the API in a C++ class library. You can think of DS as
an “MFC
> for Drivers”.
>
> Alberto.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jamey Kirby [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 12:11 PM
> To: NT Developers Interest List
> Subject: [ntdev] Re: How to develop and debug SCSI miniport driver
in
> one machine?
>
>
> >>And DriverStudio can save you the bother of having to waddle
> through the API. It lets you concentrate on supporting your
> hardware. <<
>
> How does it accomplish this?
>
>
> --------------------------------------
>
> On 7 Jul 2002, at 8:02, Maxim S. Shatskih wrote:
>
> > >I’m developing the SCSI miniport driver in one machine using
> > >Numega
> > >Driver Studio Suites.
> >
> > For what? SCSI miniport is very, very simple, and its logic in 90%
> > reflects the logic of your HBA hardware.
> > I don’t think you will have any significant gains in using DS for
> > miniports.
> >
> > >I think Driver Stuido is a very good tool. The Softice
> > >and Drvier Monitor are good utilities for driver development.
> > >Any one has the same opinion?
> >
> > I personally prefer WinDbg for debugging, but yes, SoftICE is
> > irreplaceable tool for Win9x/ME.
> >
> > Max
> >
> >
> >
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