Actually the odd part of these two eternal threads is that Alberto, who
apparently is older than snot, and even perhaps older than me, is a
staunch advocate of writing drivers that never use any defined OS
interfaces and always descend into platform specific hackery, while at
the same time espousing the use of c++ OOPS etc. I guess he is
advocating OOH, that is Object Oriented Hackery, using C++ 
Besides Gary has me on the wrong side of the C(blech!) vs C++ (yeah!)
idiocy.
[Warning, topic shift]
Finally I thought Gary’s suggestion that eliyas provide a virtual scsi
miniport sample was a bit over the top.
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Mark Roddy
Consultant, Microsoft DDK MVP
Hollis Technology Solutions
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-----Original Message-----
From: “Moreira, Alberto”
To: “NT Developers Interest List”
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:57:22 -0400
Subject: [ntdev] Re: C++ in kernel. was Re: Batch file for Visual Stud
io build,
> Gary, I predate C. Before Kernighan and Ritchie, before Burroughs
> Algol,
> what language do you think we old farts used to write operating systems
> ?
> And actually, the last driver I wrote for Win9x, not that long ago, was
> written in Assembler.
>
> Alberto.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary G. Little [mailto:xxxxx@inland.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 12:39 PM
> To: NT Developers Interest List
> Subject: [ntdev] Re: C++ in kernel. was Re: Batch file for Visual Stud
> io build,
>
>
> Brag brag brag … and if I state that I have directly written
> in
> machine language (ya know … that stuff that all assemblers out put)
> … I
> guess I would have you beat. I have done that by the way. It’s not
> enjoyable, and I do have much more better things to do with my time,
> like
> swimming with my grandkids, but I can do that mundane task when
> required.Really big whoop.
>
> I can see that there are two never ending threads in these groups …
>
> One is the Eternal tale of Princess C being devoured by the Obseqious
> Ogre
> of OOPS. Hmmm in that one the evil wizard Alberto flings brazen bolts
> of
> obfuscation against the pitifal palace of C while Sir Roddy, Sir
> Shatski,
> and other white knights of C-dumb utilize the “force” to deflect these
> phlaming phlatulants.
>
> The second has mostly the same characters … Evil Alberto, Sir Roddy
> and
> Sir Shatski. Hmmm really its the same story line … but instead of
> Princess
> C in the palace of C, it’s his highness Kernel OS in the Fortress of
> HAL.
>
> oohhhh this is getting silly …
>
> –
> Gary G. Little
> Have Computer, Will Travel …
> 909-698-3191
> 909-551-2105
>
> “Moreira, Alberto” wrote in message
> news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> >
> > Well, this kernel dev has actually developed drivers in assembler,
> and let
> > me tell you, sometimes I prefer it over C.
> >
> > Alberto.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Peter Viscarola [mailto:xxxxx@osr.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 7:45 PM
> > To: NT Developers Interest List
> > Subject: [ntdev] Re: C++ in kernel. was Re: Batch file for Visual
> Studio
> > build,
> >
> >
> > “Andrew Sloven” wrote in message
> > news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> > >
> > > It’s up to programmer to decide under which
> > > circumstances to use certain language.
> > >
> >
> > Or not. Can you write drivers for NT today in VB (even VB.NET)? Or
> in
> IA64
> > assembler language?
> >
> > Well, you COULD do these things but the effort required makes them
> > impractical, at the very least. So, at least at face value your
> statement
> > isn’t valid.
> >
> > But aside from that: I just hope whoever winds up with a driver that
> you
> > decided to write in C++ has the same capability at maintaining it,
> changing
> > it, and re-working it that you would have.
> >
> > You see, it’s not really about YOU… it’s about everybody ELSE.
> >
> > When I write code, I realize that I’m likely not the last person to
> touch
> > it. It’ll be tweaked, prodded, and poked by all sorts of engineers
> – who
> > will range in talent from supremely competent to utter moron.
> >
> > So, just as I carefully choose what syntax to use to express a
> concept (to
> > ensure utmost clarity for those who come after me), one must do
> likewise
> > when choosing a language.
> >
> > Peter
> > OSR
> >
> >
> >
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