Re[2]: Re[2]: Re[2]: accessing client file kernel mode

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Hello Don,

DB> Sorry, having grown up with an intellectual property lawyer as a father:
DB> “The reciever of stolen goods is at much at fault as the original thief”
DB> and typically the penalties are as strong if the reciever is made aware of
DB> this stuff.
Can you see “made aware” stuff in there? I can all the time say that I
was not aware of that. And you can send me emails, post to my forum
and I can say that on my mailing server i drop all emails from
unrecognized email addresses, that I don’t read the forum and you
will have to prove, that I read these, that I was aware of this. And
I can assure you, you won’t prove that.

DB> It is not my word against Bo Branten’s. Jamey has the record of Bo asking
DB> for the material, when Bo first published his I for one did a source
DB> comparison of the two, and except for removing Jamey’s ID and adding his own
DB> plus the GNU license they were identical.
It is your word against Branten’s. You’re vilifying Branten and I can
say, that Jamey Kirbey made it up, that he falsified the “record”
(it’s emails? heh, no proof) and then what? For me you, Branten and
Kirbey have the same moral credit - I don’t know any of you, so I
can’t judge who stole something from another one. Moreover, I don’t
care. What have we lawsuits for??

DB> Note, several well regarded
DB> members of the open source movement have been convinced of these facts and
DB> recognize that the code is stolen.
Nice. Why are you trying to convince anyone around you apart from the
one, who can do the legal steps? If you don’t have enough money to sue
him, borrow some, do anything you want, but don’t bother with it here.

More importantly, why are you trying to convince me? I don’t care,
I don’t want to read about this on mailing list about NT driver
development, I signed to this list to read about NT driver development
(the name says it clearly, right?) not about legal cases covering
licenses, put it somewhere else.

This is total OT, can please the list manager do something about it?

–
Best regards,
Ivona Prenosilova

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Sorry, if you want to be a thief so be it. I don’t deal with scum.

–
Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
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“ivona prenosilova” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> Hello Don,
>
> DB> Sorry, having grown up with an intellectual property lawyer as a
> father:
> DB> “The reciever of stolen goods is at much at fault as the original
> thief”
> DB> and typically the penalties are as strong if the reciever is made
> aware of
> DB> this stuff.
> Can you see “made aware” stuff in there? I can all the time say that I
> was not aware of that. And you can send me emails, post to my forum
> and I can say that on my mailing server i drop all emails from
> unrecognized email addresses, that I don’t read the forum and you
> will have to prove, that I read these, that I was aware of this. And
> I can assure you, you won’t prove that.
>
> DB> It is not my word against Bo Branten’s. Jamey has the record of Bo
> asking
> DB> for the material, when Bo first published his I for one did a source
> DB> comparison of the two, and except for removing Jamey’s ID and adding
> his own
> DB> plus the GNU license they were identical.
> It is your word against Branten’s. You’re vilifying Branten and I can
> say, that Jamey Kirbey made it up, that he falsified the “record”
> (it’s emails? heh, no proof) and then what? For me you, Branten and
> Kirbey have the same moral credit - I don’t know any of you, so I
> can’t judge who stole something from another one. Moreover, I don’t
> care. What have we lawsuits for??
>
> DB> Note, several well regarded
> DB> members of the open source movement have been convinced of these facts
> and
> DB> recognize that the code is stolen.
> Nice. Why are you trying to convince anyone around you apart from the
> one, who can do the legal steps? If you don’t have enough money to sue
> him, borrow some, do anything you want, but don’t bother with it here.
>
> More importantly, why are you trying to convince me? I don’t care,
> I don’t want to read about this on mailing list about NT driver
> development, I signed to this list to read about NT driver development
> (the name says it clearly, right?) not about legal cases covering
> licenses, put it somewhere else.
>
> This is total OT, can please the list manager do something about it?
>
> –
> Best regards,
> Ivona Prenosilova
>
>

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>> Sorry, if you want to be a thief so be it. I don’t deal with scum.

Don , with all do respect:

You use too strong words, Basically you imply that Ivona is scum and she is becoming thief. I find your behaviour insulting , though is not really like me to defend Ivona, I and she had our share of disagrements, and she post sometimes whithout thinking. But here, like in the places in which you acuse ppl that are authors of malware because what question do they ask, and promote the ideea that intewrnals can be used only for
doing only shitty things is plain wrong.

It constantly reminds me the attitude or a proeminent NT book writter which bashed to death on a list somone which asked something about Cr0 register or something similar, “because it could be a terrorist”. How lame. The guy couldnt even thinkthat Intel has freely downloadable manuals about their CPUs.

Note that I do not discuss your claims against Branten, I cant care less about it, you might have proof or not, I dont care. But you also, time and again, whithout proof , acuse ppl to be malware writters, or virus writers, or rootking writters. Which you should not do.

Dan

4

Dan,

This is my final post on this subject period. I’m sorry you feel this
way, but Ivona has suggested in her emails how to lie and otherwise cover-up
knowledge so to steal. In many places in the world this is almost as bad as
stealing. The fact that in the same email that she implies she could do
this she implies I am the same, makes me rather annoyed. Some of us do not
like being called a liar, and feel the people who call us such are scum.

On you comments on malware writers, as far as I know I have only done
this after I or others have reasonably asked what their final goal was. If
someone moves next door to you and asks you for help in mixing up a lot of
explosives, you probably would ask what they are doing and maybe call the
police. I don’t know of any police force I can call for a potential virus
writer, but I sure can not to help them, and suggest the same to others.

This discussion is over for me.

–
Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
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“Dan Partelly” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
>> Sorry, if you want to be a thief so be it. I don’t deal with scum.

Don , with all do respect:

You use too strong words, Basically you imply that Ivona is scum and she is
becoming thief. I find your behaviour insulting , though is not really like
me to defend Ivona, I and she had our share of disagrements, and she post
sometimes whithout thinking. But here, like in the places in which you acuse
ppl that are authors of malware because what question do they ask, and
promote the ideea that intewrnals can be used only for
doing only shitty things is plain wrong.

It constantly reminds me the attitude or a proeminent NT book writter which
bashed to death on a list somone which asked something about Cr0 register or
something similar, “because it could be a terrorist”. How lame. The guy
couldnt even thinkthat Intel has freely downloadable manuals about their
CPUs.

Note that I do not discuss your claims against Branten, I cant care less
about it, you might have proof or not, I dont care. But you also, time and
again, whithout proof , acuse ppl to be malware writters, or virus writers,
or rootking writters. Which you should not do.

Dan

5

I think you just hung yourself…

Jamey

-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of ivona prenosilova
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 7:24 AM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: Re[2]: [ntdev] Re[2]: Re[2]: accessing client file kernel mode

Hello Don,

DB> Sorry, having grown up with an intellectual property lawyer as a father:
DB> “The reciever of stolen goods is at much at fault as the original thief”
DB> and typically the penalties are as strong if the reciever is made aware
of
DB> this stuff.
Can you see “made aware” stuff in there? I can all the time say that I
was not aware of that. And you can send me emails, post to my forum
and I can say that on my mailing server i drop all emails from
unrecognized email addresses, that I don’t read the forum and you
will have to prove, that I read these, that I was aware of this. And
I can assure you, you won’t prove that.

DB> It is not my word against Bo Branten’s. Jamey has the record of Bo
asking
DB> for the material, when Bo first published his I for one did a source
DB> comparison of the two, and except for removing Jamey’s ID and adding his
own
DB> plus the GNU license they were identical.
It is your word against Branten’s. You’re vilifying Branten and I can
say, that Jamey Kirbey made it up, that he falsified the “record”
(it’s emails? heh, no proof) and then what? For me you, Branten and
Kirbey have the same moral credit - I don’t know any of you, so I
can’t judge who stole something from another one. Moreover, I don’t
care. What have we lawsuits for??

DB> Note, several well regarded
DB> members of the open source movement have been convinced of these facts
and
DB> recognize that the code is stolen.
Nice. Why are you trying to convince anyone around you apart from the
one, who can do the legal steps? If you don’t have enough money to sue
him, borrow some, do anything you want, but don’t bother with it here.

More importantly, why are you trying to convince me? I don’t care,
I don’t want to read about this on mailing list about NT driver
development, I signed to this list to read about NT driver development
(the name says it clearly, right?) not about legal cases covering
licenses, put it somewhere else.

This is total OT, can please the list manager do something about it?

–
Best regards,
Ivona Prenosilova

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