Re[2]: Editor?

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> Has anyone tried UltraEdit?

I use it all the time as a general purpose text editor (and hex
editor) and love it. It does a good job of showing a diff and it has a
column editing mode that is sometimes a magic bullet for getting a
onetime editing job done without writing a script to do it. It mostly
tries to work in a similar fashion to the VS editor for simple tasks.
Unfortunately I have not used it as a programming editor (currently I
just use VS) so I cannot comment on it from that point of view.

Rob
xxxxx@telusplanet.net

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RE: [ntdev] Editor? Auto completion is really annoying VB feature, which is an illusion of usability for beginners IMHO.

Maxim Shatskih, Windows DDK MVP
StorageCraft Corporation
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----- Original Message -----
From: Calvin Guan
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Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 11:26 PM
Subject: RE: [ntdev] Editor?

The auto completion and source browsing are the great features.

Regards,
Calvin

Calvin Guan Software Engineer
ATI Technologies Inc. www.ati.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Michal Vodicka [mailto:xxxxx@veridicom.cz.nospam]
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 3:11 PM
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Subject: RE: [ntdev] Editor?

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Well that’s the problem in a nutshell. You can hate VS, but it is really
hard to get away from.

Why? For application developer who designs user interfaces, maybe. But for driver developer? Every good programmers editor can be configured to start a batch for driver or application build, capture output and find errors. VS integrated debugger has no use in kernel mode and kernel debugger can be used also for user mode debugging (I use SoftICE for everything).

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Best regards,

Michal Vodicka
STMicroelectronics Design and Application s.r.o.
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Saves typing errors. For example, if I type “pMyClass->”, I get a little
list of all member functions, and I can just scroll and press enter without
bothering to figure out if the name of the member variable or function I
type is correct - because I know it is. Potentially saves a recompile here
and there because of typing mistakes !

Alberto.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]On Behalf Of Maxim S. Shatskih
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 11:40 AM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: Re: [ntdev] Editor?

Auto completion is really annoying VB feature, which is an illusion of
usability for beginners IMHO.

Maxim Shatskih, Windows DDK MVP
StorageCraft Corporation
xxxxx@storagecraft.com mailto:xxxxx
http://www.storagecraft.com http:

----- Original Message -----
From: Calvin Guan mailto:xxxxx
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest mailto:xxxxx List

Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 11:26 PM
Subject: RE: [ntdev] Editor?

The auto completion and source browsing are the great features.

Regards,
Calvin

-
Calvin Guan Software Engineer
ATI Technologies Inc. www.ati.com http:

-----Original Message-----
From: Michal Vodicka [mailto:xxxxx@veridicom.cz.nospam]
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 3:11 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: RE: [ntdev] Editor?

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Reply To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 11:18 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: RE: [ntdev] Editor?

Well that’s the problem in a nutshell. You can hate VS, but it is
really
hard to get away from.

Why? For application developer who designs user interfaces, maybe. But for
driver developer? Every good programmers editor can be configured to start a
batch for driver or application build, capture output and find errors. VS
integrated debugger has no use in kernel mode and kernel debugger can be
used also for user mode debugging (I use SoftICE for everything).

P.S. I apologize for HTML mails. Our new mailserver is misconfigured (wrong
default); it should be fixed soon.

Best regards,

Michal Vodicka
STMicroelectronics Design and Application s.r.o.
[michal.vodicka@st.com, http:://www.st.com]

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As everything, it has pros and cons. It saves typing and avoid typos but can cause logical errors if you select wrong completion by mistake. In the worst case the syntax is correct so compiler doesn’t catch it and you create a bug. I encountered it several times within few years; fortunately, lint catched most occurences.

I’d agree with Max it can be annoying. I prefer manual completion by a hotkey and without menu (hotkey cycles through possible completions) which probably isn’t available in VS. Anyway, it can be turned off.

Best regards,

Michal Vodicka
UPEK, Inc.
[xxxxx@upek.com, http:://www.upek.com]

From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com[SMTP:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] on behalf of Moreira, Alberto[SMTP:xxxxx@compuware.com]
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Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 5:45 PM
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Subject: RE: [ntdev] Editor?

Saves typing errors. For example, if I type “pMyClass->”, I get a little list of all member functions, and I can just scroll and press enter without bothering to figure out if the name of the member variable or function I type is correct - because I know it is. Potentially saves a recompile here and there because of typing mistakes !

Alberto.

-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com [mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]On Behalf Of Maxim S. Shatskih
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 11:40 AM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: Re: [ntdev] Editor?

Auto completion is really annoying VB feature, which is an illusion of usability for beginners IMHO.

Maxim Shatskih, Windows DDK MVP
StorageCraft Corporation
xxxxx@storagecraft.com mailto:xxxxx
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