Posting annoyances

Perhaps the list slave, in his copious spare time, could do something about
either purging undeliverable mail recipients from the list, or having the
‘reply to’ or whatever header field is being used directed back to the list
administrator rather than the poster. What exactly am I supposed to do
about:

------------------------- Could not deliver Message to

CN=Michael Priske/OU=Externe/O=DB AG/C=xxxxx@Deutsche
Bahn AG

User Michael Priske/Externe/DB AG/xxxxx@Deutsche Bahn AG not listed in public
Name & Address Book

----------------------------- Your Original Message

Everytime I post I get either the undeliverable or out-to-lunch annoyances.

===
Mark Roddy
Consultant
Hollis Technology Solutions
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In general, the headers are already set up so that errors are sent back to
the lyris server. In such a case, the lyris server then puts an individual
subscriber’s subscription on hold (and then they send e-mail asking us to
re-enable it, of course.)

However, some e-mail programs choose not to use the standard fields for
their replies, but rather send out their automatic response to a
non-standard field (in this case, I believe they are using the “from” field
rather than the “sender” field, which points back to lyris, and uses a name
that allows lyris to know WHICH subscriber caused the bounce message.)

For those cases, it requires manual intervention. Annoying, yes, but
resolving it further than it has already been resolved will require a
disproportionately large effort.

Tony Mason
Surrogate NTDEV/NTFSD List Slave

-----Original Message-----
From: Roddy, Mark [mailto:xxxxx@stratus.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 1:34 PM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Posting annoyances
Importance: Low

Perhaps the list slave, in his copious spare time, could do something about
either purging undeliverable mail recipients from the list, or having the
‘reply to’ or whatever header field is being used directed back to the list
administrator rather than the poster. What exactly am I supposed to do
about:

------------------------- Could not deliver Message to

CN=Michael Priske/OU=Externe/O=DB AG/C=xxxxx@Deutsche
Bahn AG

User Michael Priske/Externe/DB AG/xxxxx@Deutsche Bahn AG not listed in public
Name & Address Book

----------------------------- Your Original Message

Everytime I post I get either the undeliverable or out-to-lunch annoyances.

===
Mark Roddy
Consultant
Hollis Technology Solutions
xxxxx@hollistech.com
www.hollistech.com
603-321-1032


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Gary,

you wrote on Tuesday, February 12, 2002, 19:48:40:

GL> Dang … I thought I was the only one getting that …

You definitively aren’t :slight_smile:

On another note, following a topic in this mailing list is extremely
hard because either nobody but me uses a mailer that adds a proper
“References” and “In-Reply-To” header field or the mailing list server
strips these header lines. I think the latter is true, because when I
check my messages header in my Sent folder, the message has a
In-Reply-To and References header, but when it appears on the list,
these are gone. As a result, it’s impossible for me to thread messages
in this list, they all appear “out of order”, only sorted by date.

Ralf.


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Ralf Buschmann wrote;

As a result, it’s impossible for me to thread messages
in this list, they all appear “out of order”, only sorted by date.

I am using Outlook 2000 and had the same problem. Because I was fed up with
it I wrote a “Custom Action DLL” (whatever that is…) which – in
conjunction with a “rule” – groups posts on thread subject.

Works for me. If anyone wants this DLL please let me know.

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I’d love to get it…

-----Original Message-----
From: Gert-Jan Bartelds [mailto:xxxxx@Fenestrae.com]
Sent: Wed, February 13, 2002 1:09 PM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] RE: Posting annoyances

Ralf Buschmann wrote;

As a result, it’s impossible for me to thread messages
in this list, they all appear “out of order”, only sorted by date.

I am using Outlook 2000 and had the same problem. Because I was fed up with
it I wrote a “Custom Action DLL” (whatever that is…) which – in
conjunction with a “rule” – groups posts on thread subject.

Works for me. If anyone wants this DLL please let me know.

Gert-Jan


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Gert-Jan,

you wrote on Wednesday, February 13, 2002, 12:08:47:

> As a result, it’s impossible for me to thread messages in this list,
> they all appear “out of order”, only sorted by date.

GJB> I am using Outlook 2000 and had the same problem. Because I was fed
GJB> up with it I wrote a “Custom Action DLL” (whatever that is…)
GJB> which – in conjunction with a “rule” – groups posts on thread
GJB> subject.

GJB> Works for me. If anyone wants this DLL please let me know.

Thanks, but I’m not using Outlook. My mailer (The Bat!) has an option to
thread by subject, but then, it only groups messages where the subject
matches exactly, so it will usually only group the responses (“RE: …”)
and the original message hangs around lost elsewhere. Oh well :slight_smile:

Ralf.


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Hmm, maybe I am getting this wrong, but…

I didn’t join NTDEV earlier because I *personally* don’t like to deal
with mailing lists and didn’t like the NTDEV HTML interface either.
However, I recently noticed that there is also standard newsreader
access (thanks for pointing that out Thomas Divine).

I just pointed my newsreader to “lists.osr.com” and now can use NTDEV
as I use any other newsgroup. Threads appear as usual. No problems.

Works perfect for me. (I don’t use Outlook, BTW.)

Stephan

On Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:50:27 +0100, Ralf Buschmann
wrote:

>
>Gert-Jan,
>
>you wrote on Wednesday, February 13, 2002, 12:08:47:
>
>>> As a result, it’s impossible for me to thread messages in this list,
>>> they all appear “out of order”, only sorted by date.
>
>GJB> I am using Outlook 2000 and had the same problem. Because I was fed
>GJB> up with it I wrote a “Custom Action DLL” (whatever that is…)
>GJB> which – in conjunction with a “rule” – groups posts on thread
>GJB> subject.
>
>GJB> Works for me. If anyone wants this DLL please let me know.
>
>Thanks, but I’m not using Outlook. My mailer (The Bat!) has an option to
>thread by subject, but then, it only groups messages where the subject
>matches exactly, so it will usually only group the responses (“RE: …”)
>and the original message hangs around lost elsewhere. Oh well :slight_smile:
>
>Ralf.


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Me too.
xxxxx@vba.com.by

-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Rosner, Gedon
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 1:18 PM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] RE: Posting annoyances

I’d love to get it…

-----Original Message-----
From: Gert-Jan Bartelds [mailto:xxxxx@Fenestrae.com]
Sent: Wed, February 13, 2002 1:09 PM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] RE: Posting annoyances

Ralf Buschmann wrote;

> As a result, it’s impossible for me to thread messages
> in this list, they all appear “out of order”, only sorted by date.

I am using Outlook 2000 and had the same problem. Because I
was fed up with
it I wrote a “Custom Action DLL” (whatever that is…) which – in
conjunction with a “rule” – groups posts on thread subject.

Works for me. If anyone wants this DLL please let me know.

Gert-Jan


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“Stephan Wolf” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
>
> Hmm, maybe I am getting this wrong, but…
>
> I didn’t join NTDEV earlier because I personally don’t like to deal
> with mailing lists and didn’t like the NTDEV HTML interface either.
> However, I recently noticed that there is also standard newsreader
> access (thanks for pointing that out Thomas Divine).
>
> I just pointed my newsreader to “lists.osr.com” and now can use NTDEV
> as I use any other newsgroup. Threads appear as usual. No problems.
>
> Works perfect for me. (I don’t use Outlook, BTW.)
>
Whio knew?


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With outlook express, the newsgroup interface seems flawless (at least compared to the mail interface).
Threading works, for example.

Thanks Stephan for pointing this out.

-DH
----- Original Message -----
From: “Mark Roddy”
Newsgroups: ntdev
To: “NT Developers Interest List”
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: Posting annoyances

>
>
> “Stephan Wolf” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> >
> > Hmm, maybe I am getting this wrong, but…
> >
> > I didn’t join NTDEV earlier because I personally don’t like to deal
> > with mailing lists and didn’t like the NTDEV HTML interface either.
> > However, I recently noticed that there is also standard newsreader
> > access (thanks for pointing that out Thomas Divine).
> >
> > I just pointed my newsreader to “lists.osr.com” and now can use NTDEV
> > as I use any other newsgroup. Threads appear as usual. No problems.
> >
> > Works perfect for me. (I don’t use Outlook, BTW.)
> >
> Whio knew?
>
>
>
>
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but you need access to newsgroups to do that … and here I have been
asking for 8 months for that access … and I am still waiting.

Gary G. Little
Broadband Storage, Inc.
xxxxx@broadstor.com
xxxxx@inland.net

-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@hotmail.com [mailto:xxxxx@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 6:17 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: Posting annoyances

Hmm, maybe I am getting this wrong, but…

I didn’t join NTDEV earlier because I personally don’t like to deal
with mailing lists and didn’t like the NTDEV HTML interface either.
However, I recently noticed that there is also standard newsreader
access (thanks for pointing that out Thomas Divine).

I just pointed my newsreader to “lists.osr.com” and now can use NTDEV
as I use any other newsgroup. Threads appear as usual. No problems.

Works perfect for me. (I don’t use Outlook, BTW.)

Stephan

On Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:50:27 +0100, Ralf Buschmann
wrote:

>
>Gert-Jan,
>
>you wrote on Wednesday, February 13, 2002, 12:08:47:
>
>>> As a result, it’s impossible for me to thread messages in this list,
>>> they all appear “out of order”, only sorted by date.
>
>GJB> I am using Outlook 2000 and had the same problem. Because I was fed
>GJB> up with it I wrote a “Custom Action DLL” (whatever that is…)
>GJB> which – in conjunction with a “rule” – groups posts on thread
>GJB> subject.
>
>GJB> Works for me. If anyone wants this DLL please let me know.
>
>Thanks, but I’m not using Outlook. My mailer (The Bat!) has an option to
>thread by subject, but then, it only groups messages where the subject
>matches exactly, so it will usually only group the responses (“RE: …”)
>and the original message hangs around lost elsewhere. Oh well :slight_smile:
>
>Ralf.


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Do you mean that you can’t access an external news server because you are
behind a corporate firewall? Or do you mean something else?

Gary Little @lists.osr.com on 02/13/2002 10:28:23 AM

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Sent by: xxxxx@lists.osr.com

To: “NT Developers Interest List”
cc:

Subject: [ntdev] Re: Posting annoyances

but you need access to newsgroups to do that … and here I have
been
asking for 8 months for that access … and I am still waiting.

Gary G. Little
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I’m behind a firewall … I can get into the Microsoft beta newsgroups since
I am a beta tester, but that’s all

Gary G. Little
Broadband Storage, Inc.
xxxxx@broadstor.com
xxxxx@inland.net

-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@seagate.com [mailto:xxxxx@seagate.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:19 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: Posting annoyances

Do you mean that you can’t access an external news server because you are
behind a corporate firewall? Or do you mean something else?

Gary Little @lists.osr.com on 02/13/2002 10:28:23 AM

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Sent by: xxxxx@lists.osr.com

To: “NT Developers Interest List”
cc:

Subject: [ntdev] Re: Posting annoyances

but you need access to newsgroups to do that … and here I have
been
asking for 8 months for that access … and I am still waiting.

Gary G. Little
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Have you tried getting to lists.osr.com? If the port in the firewall is
open, you should be able to get to it. Now if it’s only open to the MS
beta groups server, then maybe not. But it’s worth trying. You have to
give the osr news server the same e-mail address and password as you have
on the list server.

Gary Little @lists.osr.com on 02/13/2002 01:08:17 PM

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Sent by: xxxxx@lists.osr.com

To: “NT Developers Interest List”
cc:

Subject: [ntdev] Re: Posting annoyances

I’m behind a firewall … I can get into the Microsoft beta newsgroups
since
I am a beta tester, but that’s all

Gary G. Little
Broadband Storage, Inc.
xxxxx@broadstor.com
xxxxx@inland.net

-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@seagate.com [mailto:xxxxx@seagate.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:19 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: Posting annoyances

Do you mean that you can’t access an external news server because you are
behind a corporate firewall? Or do you mean something else?

Gary Little @lists.osr.com on 02/13/2002 10:28:23 AM

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Sent by: xxxxx@lists.osr.com

To: “NT Developers Interest List”
cc:

Subject: [ntdev] Re: Posting annoyances

but you need access to newsgroups to do that … and here I have
been
asking for 8 months for that access … and I am still waiting.

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Duh … Call me an idiot and color me stupid! Thanks Phil …

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-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@seagate.com [mailto:xxxxx@seagate.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 12:08 PM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: Posting annoyances

Have you tried getting to lists.osr.com? If the port in the firewall is
open, you should be able to get to it. Now if it’s only open to the MS
beta groups server, then maybe not. But it’s worth trying. You have to
give the osr news server the same e-mail address and password as you have
on the list server.

Gary Little @lists.osr.com on 02/13/2002 01:08:17 PM

Please respond to “NT Developers Interest List”

Sent by: xxxxx@lists.osr.com

To: “NT Developers Interest List”
cc:

Subject: [ntdev] Re: Posting annoyances

I’m behind a firewall … I can get into the Microsoft beta newsgroups
since
I am a beta tester, but that’s all

Gary G. Little
Broadband Storage, Inc.
xxxxx@broadstor.com
xxxxx@inland.net

-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@seagate.com [mailto:xxxxx@seagate.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:19 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: Posting annoyances

Do you mean that you can’t access an external news server because you are
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To: “NT Developers Interest List”
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On Wed, 13 Feb 2002 14:16:47 GMT, xxxxx@hotmail.com (Stephan Wolf)
wrote:

Hmm, maybe I am getting this wrong, but…

I didn’t join NTDEV earlier because I *personally* don’t like to deal
with mailing lists and didn’t like the NTDEV HTML interface either.
However, I recently noticed that there is also standard newsreader
access (thanks for pointing that out Thomas Divine).

I just pointed my newsreader to “lists.osr.com” and now can use NTDEV
as I use any other newsgroup. Threads appear as usual. No problems.

Works perfect for me. (I don’t use Outlook, BTW.)

Thanks for this! OK, I’m writing/posting this message through the
lists.osr.com NNTP host and my favorite news reader (Forté Agent).
However, no threading. It appears that only messages posted through NNTP
get a valid References header. What newsreader do you use?

Ralf.


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[Can’t post this to the original thread… server connection lost…
why?]

I also use Forté Agent (some older version, 1.21/32). Yes, only NNTP
posted followups are “indented”.

Hmm, sometimes messages of a thread appear as separate messages (ie.
not as followups).

Stephan

On Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:00:49 +0100, Ralf Buschmann
wrote:

>
>On Wed, 13 Feb 2002 14:16:47 GMT, xxxxx@hotmail.com (Stephan Wolf)
>wrote:
>
>>Hmm, maybe I am getting this wrong, but…
>>
>>I didn’t join NTDEV earlier because I personally don’t like to deal
>>with mailing lists and didn’t like the NTDEV HTML interface either.
>>However, I recently noticed that there is also standard newsreader
>>access (thanks for pointing that out Thomas Divine).
>>
>>I just pointed my newsreader to “lists.osr.com” and now can use NTDEV
>>as I use any other newsgroup. Threads appear as usual. No problems.
>>
>>Works perfect for me. (I don’t use Outlook, BTW.)
>
>Thanks for this! OK, I’m writing/posting this message through the
>lists.osr.com NNTP host and my favorite news reader (Forté Agent).
>However, no threading. It appears that only messages posted through NNTP
>get a valid References header. What newsreader do you use?
>
>Ralf.


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On Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:26:25 GMT, xxxxx@hotmail.com (Stephan Wolf)
wrote:

I also use Forté Agent (some older version, 1.21/32). Yes, only NNTP
posted followups are “indented”.

OK, “Enable threading by subject” in Agent’s properties almost solves
the problem.

Ralf.


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