Hi All,
I can’t use winDbg because I have only one computer.
How to debug driver program on one computer?
regards:
sailing_an
Use DbgView utility provided by Sysinternals
Try SoftIce
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But, buy the time you pay $900 for Softice you can save $300 by simply
buying another computer for $600 and using WinDbg.
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And when you are at a client site trying to debug, you have to go and
find a extra machine, configure it and then debug. No thanks, I will
stick with SoftIce for these situations.
Jamey
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But, buy the time you pay $900 for Softice you can save $300 by simply
buying another computer for $600 and using WinDbg.
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Of course when your test system crashes or needs to be rebooted
because the driver is messed up, you cannot be fixing the problem
on the developement system because they are one and the same.
Worse yet since this is on the filesystem list, if your filter corrupts
your disk, you can really loose. Also, if you are debugging with a
Microsoft beta version of the OS, good luck since there won;t be
a working version of softice yet. You can buy a laptop for the
price of SoftIce these days.
Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows 2k/XP/2k3 Filesystem and Driver Consulting
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> And when you are at a client site trying to debug, you have to go and
> find a extra machine, configure it and then debug. No thanks, I will
> stick with SoftIce for these situations.
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> Jamey
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Hrmm, what are laptops for then? 
With each successive rev of SoftIce,
Compuware is making the installation process an even more nail-pulling
experience. V3.0 requires a license file now in addition to the serial
number.
- Nick Ryan
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No thanks, I will stick with SoftIce for these situations.Jamey
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Laptops are for lots of things. I doubt Dell will give you the debugging
sales pitch when you call to order a laptop though; just a hunch.
Jamey
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Hrmm, what are laptops for then? With each successive rev of SoftIce,
Compuware is making the installation process an even more nail-pulling
experience. V3.0 requires a license file now in addition to the serial
number.
- Nick Ryan
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No thanks, I will stick with SoftIce for these situations.Jamey
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I am not saying WindBag is bad, I use them both. There are times that SI
is a better solution and there are times that WindBag is a better
solution.
Jamey
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Hrmm, what are laptops for then? With each successive rev of SoftIce,
Compuware is making the installation process an even more nail-pulling
experience. V3.0 requires a license file now in addition to the serial
number.
- Nick Ryan
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Subject: [ntfsd] Re: How to debug driver program on one computer?And when you are at a client site trying to debug, you have
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No thanks, I will stick with SoftIce for these situations.Jamey
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I can setup target computer in several minutes. If you do kernel debugging
regularily you can make a disk image. Restoring an image takes just several
minutes. And SoftIce installation makes me mad. And indeed, if your driver
destroys some data, your working system gets dead. And a good rule is to
never run your programs on work computer. Even if you write user mode
modules (especially services). And I can buy a computer for just $400.
-htfv
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> And when you are at a client site trying to debug, you have to go and
> find a extra machine, configure it and then debug. No thanks, I will
> stick with SoftIce for these situations.
>
> Jamey
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> buying another computer for $600 and using WinDbg.
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Subject: [ntfsd] Re: How to debug driver program on one computer?I can setup target computer in several minutes. If you do kernel debugging
regularily you can make a disk image. Restoring an image takes just
several
minutes. And SoftIce installation makes me mad. And indeed, if your driver
destroys some data, your working system gets dead. And a good rule is to
never run your programs on work computer. Even if you write user mode
modules (especially services). And I can buy a computer for just $400.
SMP computer? Doubts. Target computer for driver development should be
always SMP to debug spinlock problems. Of course, you can use cheap
development machine but it is uncomfortable. I prefer SMP machines also as
user so one machine development is a solution. Well, I don’t want to start a
flamewar, it is everybody’s personal decision.
As for running programs on work computer… within last 7 years I developed
a lot of NT drivers and services this way and never had a serious problem.
It needs some coding discipline and experience and use System Internals Sync
utility regularly, before any new driver load or potentially dangerous test.
I worried only when developed FS filter and cloned drive using ghost every
day (to the next local one). BTW, it is the fastest and the best
defragmentation 
On the contrary I believe developers should run their software on their
computers and use it for everydays work. It forces them to write better
code. I have always several my drivers loaded and when a problem occurs,
assertion failure pop-up SoftICE and I have to solve it immediatelly.
Back to original problem: one computer debugging is possible several ways
now. SoftICE is one possibility. The next is good traces and DbgView or
another debug print monitor. WinDbg allows to examine kernel memory state
and run KD extensions locally; it isn’t real debugging but can be helpful
sometimes. VMware is also good solution, it has most advantages of one
computer debugging and is safe. 4.0 version with snapshot feature allows
easily restore virtual machine to known state. I haven’t tested it with
WinDbg but it works well with Driver Studio 3.0. I ported XP FS filter to
w2k with Visual SoftICE connected using local network to VMware machine and
it worked like a charm. With w9x it is worse; it can be used but with real
care. I just debug a VxD using null modem cable which connect virtual
machine to real one and siremote utility. Works but freezes often which make
work annoying. However, not so annoying as boot and use real windos.
Best regards,
Michal Vodicka
STMicroelectronics Design and Application s.r.o.
[michal.vodicka@st.com, http:://www.st.com]