FAT32 bug in Win2K SP2?

I have *not* done an exhaustive analysis of this, but I think Windows 2000
SP2 may have a bug in the FAT32 code. Specifically, partitions larger
than around 30GB won’t format, either unconditionally or quick. The
specific error message is “Volume size is too big.” This happened on an
ATA disk and a 1394 disk, on two systems. Both formatted NTFS fine, and
the ATA disk formatted with Windows 98 fine. I haven’t got a fully
functional 98 system to plug in the 1394 drive yet. Both systems are
Dells, with different Intel CPUs and chipsets. Both have OS image that
started from the Windows 2000 + SP2 CD shipped with the systems.

Anyone seen this? I had a really cheap, “media only, no support” MSDN
subscription when I worked for Intel, so I don’t know how to go about
submitting this as a sighting. Or maybe it’s a local config issue, that’s
why I’m asking if anyone else has seen this…

Thanks,

Phil


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I have heard that Windows XP will not support FAT32 partition greater than 32GB if you use XP to format them. If you use DOS it will use them, but not create & format them. Bill’s M$ wants you to use NTFS so when data is lost, it is really lost.
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Subject: [ntdev] FAT32 bug in Win2K SP2?

I have *not* done an exhaustive analysis of this, but I think Windows 2000 SP2 may have a bug in the FAT32 code. Specifically, partitions larger than around 30GB won’t format, either unconditionally or quick. The specific error message is “Volume size is too big.” This happened on an ATA disk and a 1394 disk, on two systems. Both formatted NTFS fine, and the ATA disk formatted with Windows 98 fine. I haven’t got a fully functional 98 system to plug in the 1394 drive yet. Both systems are Dells, with different Intel CPUs and chipsets. Both have OS image that started from the Windows 2000 + SP2 CD shipped with the systems.

Anyone seen this? I had a really cheap, “media only, no support” MSDN subscription when I worked for Intel, so I don’t know how to go about submitting this as a sighting. Or maybe it’s a local config issue, that’s why I’m asking if anyone else has seen this…

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Dear Phil and David:

From
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/using/howto/gettingstarted/guide/newinstallation.asp


FAT32: An enhanced version of the file allocation table (FAT) system that is
standard on all Windows operating systems starting with later (32-bit)
versions of Windows 95. The FAT32 system can be used on large hard disks,
from 512 megabytes (MB) to 32 gigabytes (GB).


Ralph Shnelvar

On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 17:12:49 -0500, you wrote:

I have heard that Windows XP will not support FAT32 partition greater than 32GB if you use XP to format them. If you use DOS it will use them, but not create & format them. Bill’s M$ wants you to use NTFS so when data is lost, it is really lost.
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Subject: [ntdev] FAT32 bug in Win2K SP2?

I have *not* done an exhaustive analysis of this, but I think Windows 2000 SP2 may have a bug in the FAT32 code. Specifically, partitions larger than around 30GB won’t format, either unconditionally or quick. The specific error message is “Volume size is too big.” This happened on an ATA disk and a 1394 disk, on two systems. Both formatted NTFS fine, and the ATA disk formatted with Windows 98 fine. I haven’t got a fully functional 98 system to plug in the 1394 drive yet. Both systems are Dells, with different Intel CPUs and chipsets. Both have OS image that started from the Windows 2000 + SP2 CD shipped with the systems.

Anyone seen this? I had a really cheap, “media only, no support” MSDN subscription when I worked for Intel, so I don’t know how to go about submitting this as a sighting. Or maybe it’s a local config issue, that’s why I’m asking if anyone else has seen this…

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So it’s not a bug, it’s a feature. Or intentional limitation, if you
prefer…

Thanks for the pointer.

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Dear Phil and David:

From
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- - -
FAT32: An enhanced version of the file allocation table (FAT) system that
is
standard on all Windows operating systems starting with later (32-bit)
versions of Windows 95. The FAT32 system can be used on large hard disks,
from 512 megabytes (MB) to 32 gigabytes (GB).
- - -

Ralph Shnelvar

On Wed, 19 Dec 2001 17:12:49 -0500, you wrote:

>I have heard that Windows XP will not support FAT32 partition greater
than 32GB if you use XP to format them. If you use DOS it will use them,
but not create & format them. Bill’s M$ wants you to use NTFS so when
data is lost, it is really lost.
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> Subject: [ntdev] FAT32 bug in Win2K SP2?
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>
> I have not done an exhaustive analysis of this, but I think Windows
2000 SP2 may have a bug in the FAT32 code. Specifically, partitions
larger than around 30GB won’t format, either unconditionally or quick. The
specific error message is “Volume size is too big.” This happened on an
ATA disk and a 1394 disk, on two systems. Both formatted NTFS fine, and
the ATA disk formatted with Windows 98 fine. I haven’t got a fully
functional 98 system to plug in the 1394 drive yet. Both systems are
Dells, with different Intel CPUs and chipsets. Both have OS image that
started from the Windows 2000 + SP2 CD shipped with the systems.
>
> Anyone seen this? I had a really cheap, “media only, no support” MSDN
subscription when I worked for Intel, so I don’t know how to go about
submitting this as a sighting. Or maybe it’s a local config issue, that’s
why I’m asking if anyone else has seen this…
>
> Thanks,
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Then the patched FASTFAT driver from IFS kit will appear (binary) for free download, which will support FAT32 > 32GB.

NTFS is SLOW. Plain and simple. It seems to be the only weak side of NT in tests which compares NT’s performance to UNIX performance.
On operation like copying a 32MB tree of 500 files to other directory, FAT32 is about twice faster then NTFS.

Data is not lost. There is NTFSDOS.

Max

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Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 1:12 AM
Subject: [ntdev] Re: FAT32 bug in Win2K SP2?

I have heard that Windows XP will not support FAT32 partition greater than 32GB if you use XP to format them. If you use DOS it will use them, but not create & format them. Bill’s M$ wants you to use NTFS so when data is lost, it is really lost.
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Barila
To: NT Developers Interest List
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 2:47 PM
Subject: [ntdev] FAT32 bug in Win2K SP2?

I have *not* done an exhaustive analysis of this, but I think Windows 2000 SP2 may have a bug in the FAT32 code. Specifically, partitions larger than around 30GB won’t format, either unconditionally or quick. The specific error message is “Volume size is too big.” This happened on an ATA disk and a 1394 disk, on two systems. Both formatted NTFS fine, and the ATA disk formatted with Windows 98 fine. I haven’t got a fully functional 98 system to plug in the 1394 drive yet. Both systems are Dells, with different Intel CPUs and chipsets. Both have OS image that started from the Windows 2000 + SP2 CD shipped with the systems.

Anyone seen this? I had a really cheap, “media only, no support” MSDN subscription when I worked for Intel, so I don’t know how to go about submitting this as a sighting. Or maybe it’s a local config issue, that’s why I’m asking if anyone else has seen this…

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Ok, now you’ve go my curiosity! Why is NTFS so much slower?

  • Dennis

Dennis Merrill
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Thermo Electron Corporation
Spectroscopy Division

-----Original Message-----
From: Maxim S. Shatskih [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 4:26 PM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: FAT32 bug in Win2K SP2?

Then the patched FASTFAT driver from IFS kit will appear (binary) for free
download, which will support FAT32 > 32GB.

NTFS is SLOW. Plain and simple. It seems to be the only weak side of NT in
tests which compares NT’s performance to UNIX performance.
On operation like copying a 32MB tree of 500 files to other directory, FAT32
is about twice faster then NTFS.

Data is not lost. There is NTFSDOS.

Max

----- Original Message -----
From: David J. mailto:xxxxx Craig
To: NT Developers mailto:xxxxx Interest List
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 1:12 AM
Subject: [ntdev] Re: FAT32 bug in Win2K SP2?

I have heard that Windows XP will not support FAT32 partition greater than
32GB if you use XP to format them. If you use DOS it will use them, but not
create & format them. Bill’s M$ wants you to use NTFS so when data is lost,
it is really lost.
----- Original Message -----
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To: NT Developers mailto:xxxxx Interest List
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 2:47 PM
Subject: [ntdev] FAT32 bug in Win2K SP2?

I have not done an exhaustive analysis of this, but I think Windows 2000
SP2 may have a bug in the FAT32 code. Specifically, partitions larger than
around 30GB won’t format, either unconditionally or quick. The specific
error message is “Volume size is too big.” This happened on an ATA disk and
a 1394 disk, on two systems. Both formatted NTFS fine, and the ATA disk
formatted with Windows 98 fine. I haven’t got a fully functional 98 system
to plug in the 1394 drive yet. Both systems are Dells, with different Intel
CPUs and chipsets. Both have OS image that started from the Windows 2000 +
SP2 CD shipped with the systems.

Anyone seen this? I had a really cheap, “media only, no support” MSDN
subscription when I worked for Intel, so I don’t know how to go about
submitting this as a sighting. Or maybe it’s a local config issue, that’s
why I’m asking if anyone else has seen this…

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NTFS is going to be much slower on directory and file access operations as
it does a lot more work supporting features that are not available on FAT
and most unix filesystems. READ/WRITE operations should be identical.
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Ok, now you’ve go my curiosity! Why is NTFS so much slower?

  • Dennis

Dennis Merrill
Embedded Systems Engineer
Thermo Electron Corporation
Spectroscopy Division

-----Original Message-----
From: Maxim S. Shatskih [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 4:26 PM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: FAT32 bug in Win2K SP2?

Then the patched FASTFAT driver from IFS kit will appear (binary) for free
download, which will support FAT32 > 32GB.

NTFS is SLOW. Plain and simple. It seems to be the only weak side of NT in
tests which compares NT’s performance to UNIX performance.
On operation like copying a 32MB tree of 500 files to other directory, FAT32
is about twice faster then NTFS.

Data is not lost. There is NTFSDOS.

Max

----- Original Message -----
From: David J. mailto:xxxxx Craig
To: NT Developers mailto:xxxxx Interest List
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 1:12 AM
Subject: [ntdev] Re: FAT32 bug in Win2K SP2?

I have heard that Windows XP will not support FAT32 partition greater than
32GB if you use XP to format them. If you use DOS it will use them, but not
create & format them. Bill’s M$ wants you to use NTFS so when data is lost,
it is really lost.
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Barila mailto:xxxxx
To: NT Developers mailto:xxxxx Interest List
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 2:47 PM
Subject: [ntdev] FAT32 bug in Win2K SP2?

I have not done an exhaustive analysis of this, but I think Windows 2000
SP2 may have a bug in the FAT32 code. Specifically, partitions larger than
around 30GB won’t format, either unconditionally or quick. The specific
error message is “Volume size is too big.” This happened on an ATA disk and
a 1394 disk, on two systems. Both formatted NTFS fine, and the ATA disk
formatted with Windows 98 fine. I haven’t got a fully functional 98 system
to plug in the 1394 drive yet. Both systems are Dells, with different Intel
CPUs and chipsets. Both have OS image that started from the Windows 2000 +
SP2 CD shipped with the systems.

Anyone seen this? I had a really cheap, “media only, no support” MSDN
subscription when I worked for Intel, so I don’t know how to go about
submitting this as a sighting. Or maybe it’s a local config issue, that’s
why I’m asking if anyone else has seen this…

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NTFS isn’t necessarily slower. Put a couple hundred files in a directory and
FAT32 will be slower because NTFS stores directory items in a binary tree
and FAT32 in a linear list. It depends on what you’re doing.

NTFS is slower than FAT for sequential access for large files. I recently
did some tests on this subject while building a video editing system.

++PLS
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Ok, now you’ve go my curiosity! Why is NTFS so much slower?

  • Dennis

Dennis Merrill
Embedded Systems Engineer
Thermo Electron Corporation
Spectroscopy Division

-----Original Message-----
From: Maxim S. Shatskih [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 4:26 PM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: FAT32 bug in Win2K SP2?

Then the patched FASTFAT driver from IFS kit will appear (binary) for free
download, which will support FAT32 > 32GB.

NTFS is SLOW. Plain and simple. It seems to be the only weak side of NT in
tests which compares NT’s performance to UNIX performance.
On operation like copying a 32MB tree of 500 files to other directory, FAT32
is about twice faster then NTFS.

Data is not lost. There is NTFSDOS.

Max

----- Original Message -----
From: David J. mailto:xxxxx Craig
To: NT Developers mailto:xxxxx Interest List
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 1:12 AM
Subject: [ntdev] Re: FAT32 bug in Win2K SP2?

I have heard that Windows XP will not support FAT32 partition greater than
32GB if you use XP to format them. If you use DOS it will use them, but not
create & format them. Bill’s M$ wants you to use NTFS so when data is lost,
it is really lost.
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Barila mailto:xxxxx
To: NT Developers mailto:xxxxx Interest List
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 2:47 PM
Subject: [ntdev] FAT32 bug in Win2K SP2?

I have not done an exhaustive analysis of this, but I think Windows 2000
SP2 may have a bug in the FAT32 code. Specifically, partitions larger than
around 30GB won’t format, either unconditionally or quick. The specific
error message is “Volume size is too big.” This happened on an ATA disk and
a 1394 disk, on two systems. Both formatted NTFS fine, and the ATA disk
formatted with Windows 98 fine. I haven’t got a fully functional 98 system
to plug in the 1394 drive yet. Both systems are Dells, with different Intel
CPUs and chipsets. Both have OS image that started from the Windows 2000 +
SP2 CD shipped with the systems.

Anyone seen this? I had a really cheap, “media only, no support” MSDN
subscription when I worked for Intel, so I don’t know how to go about
submitting this as a sighting. Or maybe it’s a local config issue, that’s
why I’m asking if anyone else has seen this…

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MessageI have a strong suspect that for the same amount of file work done, NTFS will do more disk writes then FAT.

Max

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NTFS is going to be much slower on directory and file access operations as it does a lot more work supporting features that are not available on FAT and most unix filesystems. READ/WRITE operations should be identical.
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Ok, now you’ve go my curiosity! Why is NTFS so much slower?

  • Dennis

Dennis Merrill

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Thermo Electron Corporation

Spectroscopy Division

-----Original Message-----
From: Maxim S. Shatskih [mailto:xxxxx@storagecraft.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 4:26 PM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: FAT32 bug in Win2K SP2?

Then the patched FASTFAT driver from IFS kit will appear (binary) for free download, which will support FAT32 > 32GB.

NTFS is SLOW. Plain and simple. It seems to be the only weak side of NT in tests which compares NT’s performance to UNIX performance.

On operation like copying a 32MB tree of 500 files to other directory, FAT32 is about twice faster then NTFS.

Data is not lost. There is NTFSDOS.

Max

----- Original Message -----

From: David J. Craig

To: NT Developers Interest List

Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 1:12 AM

Subject: [ntdev] Re: FAT32 bug in Win2K SP2?

I have heard that Windows XP will not support FAT32 partition greater than 32GB if you use XP to format them. If you use DOS it will use them, but not create & format them. Bill’s M$ wants you to use NTFS so when data is lost, it is really lost.

----- Original Message -----

From: Phil Barila

To: NT Developers Interest List

Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 2:47 PM

Subject: [ntdev] FAT32 bug in Win2K SP2?

I have *not* done an exhaustive analysis of this, but I think Windows 2000 SP2 may have a bug in the FAT32 code. Specifically, partitions larger than around 30GB won’t format, either unconditionally or quick. The specific error message is “Volume size is too big.” This happened on an ATA disk and a 1394 disk, on two systems. Both formatted NTFS fine, and the ATA disk formatted with Windows 98 fine. I haven’t got a fully functional 98 system to plug in the 1394 drive yet. Both systems are Dells, with different Intel CPUs and chipsets. Both have OS image that started from the Windows 2000 + SP2 CD shipped with the systems.

Anyone seen this? I had a really cheap, “media only, no support” MSDN subscription when I worked for Intel, so I don’t know how to go about submitting this as a sighting. Or maybe it’s a local config issue, that’s why I’m asking if anyone else has seen this…

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