Digital Signature Not Found

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1

Gurus,
We bought a PCI 485 card from a company. The card came with a device driver
for Windows 2000. After we put in the card and started the computer,
Windows 2000 showed a dialog box with window title “Digital Signature Not
Found”. The card maker said that the PCI 485 card were not fully comply
with Microsoft and could not get the digital signature from Microsoft.
Since we are going to distribute the cards to our field engineers, I do not
want that our field engineers have to click on the correct button on the
“Digital Signature Not Found” dialog box in order to install the device
driver.
Do you know how to get rid of the dialog box?
Thank you in advance for your information.

Regard
Han

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You could start by buying an approved card. If the card manufacturer cannot
get the MS certification because that don’t comply with the rules (and they
admit that), you should probably save yourself and your field engineers a
lot of grief and look for an approved card.

Greg

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Subject: [ntdev] Digital Signature Not Found

Gurus,
We bought a PCI 485 card from a company. The card came with a device driver
for Windows 2000. After we put in the card and started the computer,
Windows 2000 showed a dialog box with window title “Digital Signature Not
Found”. The card maker said that the PCI 485 card were not fully comply
with Microsoft and could not get the digital signature from Microsoft.
Since we are going to distribute the cards to our field engineers, I do not
want that our field engineers have to click on the correct button on the
“Digital Signature Not Found” dialog box in order to install the device
driver.
Do you know how to get rid of the dialog box?
Thank you in advance for your information.

Regard
Han

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On the other hand, I find it kind of restrictive that a hw manufacturer
cannot have a board on a customer’s machine without MS’s formal blessing. It
shouldn’t be that way.

Alberto.

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Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:22 AM
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Subject: [ntdev] RE: Digital Signature Not Found

You could start by buying an approved card. If the card manufacturer cannot
get the MS certification because that don’t comply with the rules (and they
admit that), you should probably save yourself and your field engineers a
lot of grief and look for an approved card.

Greg

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Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:49 AM
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Subject: [ntdev] Digital Signature Not Found

Gurus,
We bought a PCI 485 card from a company. The card came with a device driver
for Windows 2000. After we put in the card and started the computer,
Windows 2000 showed a dialog box with window title “Digital Signature Not
Found”. The card maker said that the PCI 485 card were not fully comply
with Microsoft and could not get the digital signature from Microsoft.
Since we are going to distribute the cards to our field engineers, I do not
want that our field engineers have to click on the correct button on the
“Digital Signature Not Found” dialog box in order to install the device
driver.
Do you know how to get rid of the dialog box?
Thank you in advance for your information.

Regard
Han

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Greg,
Due to our special requirement and limitation, I could not find another
proper card so far.

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Why can’t the manufacturer make the board pass the certification tests? If
you don’t follow the rules, what else will suffer? Do you want to take that
risk?

Greg

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Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:33 AM
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Subject: [ntdev] RE: Digital Signature Not Found

On the other hand, I find it kind of restrictive that a hw manufacturer
cannot have a board on a customer’s machine without MS’s formal blessing. It
shouldn’t be that way.

Alberto.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gregory G. Dyess [mailto:xxxxx@pdq.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:22 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] RE: Digital Signature Not Found

You could start by buying an approved card. If the card manufacturer cannot
get the MS certification because that don’t comply with the rules (and they
admit that), you should probably save yourself and your field engineers a
lot of grief and look for an approved card.

Greg

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[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]On Behalf Of xxxxx@slb.com
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:49 AM
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Subject: [ntdev] Digital Signature Not Found

Gurus,
We bought a PCI 485 card from a company. The card came with a device driver
for Windows 2000. After we put in the card and started the computer,
Windows 2000 showed a dialog box with window title “Digital Signature Not
Found”. The card maker said that the PCI 485 card were not fully comply
with Microsoft and could not get the digital signature from Microsoft.
Since we are going to distribute the cards to our field engineers, I do not
want that our field engineers have to click on the correct button on the
“Digital Signature Not Found” dialog box in order to install the device
driver.
Do you know how to get rid of the dialog box?
Thank you in advance for your information.

Regard
Han

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If the manufacturer’s a good one, I should be able to trust them. For
example, if I need an OpenGL board and ICD, I’ll go to NVidia or ATI because
they both have good stuff, and why should MS be at all involved with it ?
Certification costs dollars, takes time, eats manpower, and I do not believe
even MS is in a position to second guess NVidia or ATI as far as their own
hardware and software support is concerned. I may be naive, but I believe
that the boundary between operating system and the external world, I/O
included, shouldn’t be able to grow like an amoeba.

Alberto.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gregory G. Dyess [mailto:xxxxx@pdq.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:46 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] RE: Digital Signature Not Found

Why can’t the manufacturer make the board pass the certification tests? If
you don’t follow the rules, what else will suffer? Do you want to take that
risk?

Greg

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From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]On Behalf Of Moreira, Alberto
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:33 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] RE: Digital Signature Not Found

On the other hand, I find it kind of restrictive that a hw manufacturer
cannot have a board on a customer’s machine without MS’s formal blessing. It
shouldn’t be that way.

Alberto.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gregory G. Dyess [mailto:xxxxx@pdq.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:22 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] RE: Digital Signature Not Found

You could start by buying an approved card. If the card manufacturer cannot
get the MS certification because that don’t comply with the rules (and they
admit that), you should probably save yourself and your field engineers a
lot of grief and look for an approved card.

Greg

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[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]On Behalf Of xxxxx@slb.com
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:49 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Digital Signature Not Found

Gurus,
We bought a PCI 485 card from a company. The card came with a device driver
for Windows 2000. After we put in the card and started the computer,
Windows 2000 showed a dialog box with window title “Digital Signature Not
Found”. The card maker said that the PCI 485 card were not fully comply
with Microsoft and could not get the digital signature from Microsoft.
Since we are going to distribute the cards to our field engineers, I do not
want that our field engineers have to click on the correct button on the
“Digital Signature Not Found” dialog box in order to install the device
driver.
Do you know how to get rid of the dialog box?
Thank you in advance for your information.

Regard
Han

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xxxxx@compuware.com said:

I may be naive, but I believe that the boundary between operating
system and the external world, I/O included, shouldn’t be able to grow
like an amoeba.

You are naive:-(

The power to authorize individual products as Microsoft may see fit
has been handed to them by their customers and our customers, and we
as the providers of those products have chosen not to oppose our loss
of control over our own work, as the Microsoft market is large enough
that we dare not antagonize the giant that rules it.

Steve Williams “The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
steve at icarus.com But I have promises to keep,
steve at picturel.com and lines to code before I sleep,
http://www.picturel.com And lines to code before I sleep.”

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----- Original Message -----
From: “Moreira, Alberto”
To: “NT Developers Interest List”
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:19 PM
Subject: [ntdev] RE: Digital Signature Not Found

> If the manufacturer’s a good one, I should be able to trust them. For
> example, if I need an OpenGL board and ICD, I’ll go to NVidia or ATI
because
> they both have good stuff, and why should MS be at all involved with it ?
> Certification costs dollars, takes time, eats manpower, and I do not
believe
> even MS is in a position to second guess NVidia or ATI as far as their own
> hardware and software support is concerned. I may be naive, but I believe
> that the boundary between operating system and the external world, I/O
> included, shouldn’t be able to grow like an amoeba.
>
> Alberto.
>

I think you are very naive! Working with sources of a number of “respected
companies” I have found a high degree of variance in quality, some of it is
downright shit. People have bitched about Microsoft software quality, well
they have made a major effort to improve the quaility of the NT base.
Shouldn’t
they have right to try to make sure the OS doesn’t crash because of crap
from
a 3rd party vendor?

Don Burn
Windows 2000 Device Driver and Filesystem consulting

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From Version 2.0 of the Windows Logo Program System and Device Requirements

B3.1.5.10 DRM legacy function calls [Clarification]

“Windows XP: to pass Windows Logo testing for Secure Audio Path for Digital Rights Management as DRM compliant with DRM Level = 1200
(which is the security level for Windows XP), audio drivers for Windows XP must not call DrmForwardContentToFileObject. If an audio
driver calls DrmForwardContentToFileObject, it will be qualified as DRM compliant with DRM Level = 1100, which is the security level
for Windows Me.”

As a consumer, I won’t want a card that is Windows XP logo qualified because it forces the RIAA’s bullshit anti-consumer digital
millenium copyright act down my throat. But, of course, Windows XP is going to make it an unpleasant experience for me to install my
non-logo qualified audio device.

While the statement above currently applies only to Audio devices (the spec punts on DVD and Video to the CSS standards), there’s no
reason to think that in the future it won’t be applied to other devices. Cable modems, network cards, satellite dishes, and optical
media are all places where “unauthorized” digital media can be choked off.

Very soon I as a consumer will no longer be concerned with WHQL certification on my new device purchases. Instead, I’ll be looking
for functionality that is provided by a particular card that doesn’t deprive me of my rights to make fair-use copies of my purchased
digital media. An XP logo will make it easy for me to eliminate particular products from my list.

And no, I’m not concerned that I’ll be getting a less-than-perfect driver that causes system instability. I currently live with
instability DESPITE having a computer that is fully logo compliant. So why would I care?

ERX

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Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:39 PM
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Subject: [ntdev] RE: Digital Signature Not Found

----- Original Message -----
From: “Moreira, Alberto”
>To: “NT Developers Interest List”
>Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 12:19 PM
>Subject: [ntdev] RE: Digital Signature Not Found
>
>
>> If the manufacturer’s a good one, I should be able to trust them. For
>> example, if I need an OpenGL board and ICD, I’ll go to NVidia or ATI
>because
>> they both have good stuff, and why should MS be at all
>involved with it ?
>> Certification costs dollars, takes time, eats manpower, and I do not
>believe
>> even MS is in a position to second guess NVidia or ATI as
>far as their own
>> hardware and software support is concerned. I may be naive,
>but I believe
>> that the boundary between operating system and the external
>world, I/O
>> included, shouldn’t be able to grow like an amoeba.
>>
>> Alberto.
>>
>
>I think you are very naive! Working with sources of a number
>of “respected
>companies” I have found a high degree of variance in quality,
>some of it is
>downright shit. People have bitched about Microsoft software
>quality, well
>they have made a major effort to improve the quaility of the NT base.
>Shouldn’t
>they have right to try to make sure the OS doesn’t crash
>because of crap
>from
>a 3rd party vendor?
>
>Don Burn
>Windows 2000 Device Driver and Filesystem consulting
>
>
>
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Why?

Because it just might be a one of a kind customer, in house or external,
that has a limited need for these boards. So why go to the expense of
getting them certified, when you don’t expect to see them on the shelves, or
listed in any catalogues.

Gary

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Gregory G. Dyess
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:46 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] RE: Digital Signature Not Found

Why can’t the manufacturer make the board pass the certification tests? If
you don’t follow the rules, what else will suffer? Do you want to take that
risk?

Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]On Behalf Of Moreira, Alberto
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:33 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] RE: Digital Signature Not Found

On the other hand, I find it kind of restrictive that a hw manufacturer
cannot have a board on a customer’s machine without MS’s formal blessing. It
shouldn’t be that way.

Alberto.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gregory G. Dyess [mailto:xxxxx@pdq.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:22 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] RE: Digital Signature Not Found

You could start by buying an approved card. If the card manufacturer cannot
get the MS certification because that don’t comply with the rules (and they
admit that), you should probably save yourself and your field engineers a
lot of grief and look for an approved card.

Greg

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]On Behalf Of xxxxx@slb.com
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:49 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Digital Signature Not Found

Gurus,
We bought a PCI 485 card from a company. The card came with a device driver
for Windows 2000. After we put in the card and started the computer,
Windows 2000 showed a dialog box with window title “Digital Signature Not
Found”. The card maker said that the PCI 485 card were not fully comply
with Microsoft and could not get the digital signature from Microsoft.
Since we are going to distribute the cards to our field engineers, I do not
want that our field engineers have to click on the correct button on the
“Digital Signature Not Found” dialog box in order to install the device
driver.
Do you know how to get rid of the dialog box?
Thank you in advance for your information.

Regard
Han

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Not that I recommend this, but to directly answer your question, you can turn
off driver signing (or at least the message dialogs). There is a registry value
called Policy under the key “HKLM\software\microsoft\driver signing” that is
normally set to 1. Set this to 0 and the messages go away.

Dave

xxxxx@slb.com wrote:

Gurus,
We bought a PCI 485 card from a company. The card came with a device driver
for Windows 2000. After we put in the card and started the computer,
Windows 2000 showed a dialog box with window title “Digital Signature Not
Found”. The card maker said that the PCI 485 card were not fully comply
with Microsoft and could not get the digital signature from Microsoft.
Since we are going to distribute the cards to our field engineers, I do not
want that our field engineers have to click on the correct button on the
“Digital Signature Not Found” dialog box in order to install the device
driver.
Do you know how to get rid of the dialog box?
Thank you in advance for your information.

Regard
Han

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I would like to thank Dave for the information.
I went to the “System Properties” -> “Hardware”->“Driver Signing…” and
selected “Ignore-Install all files, regardless of file signature” for the
File signature verfication. The warning dialog box does not appear
anymore.
I love this forum. Thanks.

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