So, I just walked in the door and found that the DDC ‘materials’ had arrived as promised. In case
your’s hasn’t arrived yet, here’s what I found.
I haven’t investigated the actual contents of the disk yet, but just going the by labels, it would
seem that the contents do not appear to be as advertised exactly (according to the insert), but
overall, on the surface it appears to be a better than I was expecting:
-
there don’t seem to be any of the presentations/PowerPoints/documents; I think I remember someone
saying that these would be available via connect or maybe as part of the WinHEC website, but I’m not
sure.
-
there is a copy of the pre-beta Windows 7 WDK (6801.0) & SDK (6801.0), which I don’t recall
anyone mentioning as part of the package; also, unlike the OS installations, at least the last time
I checked, these were not available as part of the ‘Windows 7 Beta’ on connect.microsoft.com.
-
there is a 'Windows Symbols DVD, which is nice as they still aren’t (last time I checked)
available on http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols, though they are available for download on
the windbg home page (roughly), so you don’t have to download them (assuming that they work)
-
Windows 7 Ultimate x86_32
-
Windows 7 Ultimate x86_64
-
Windows Server 2008 RC2 Standard, Enterprise & Datacenter x86_64
-
Windows Server 2008 RC2 (mystery version) IA64
-
as is the case on connect.microsoft.com, it doesn’t appear that there are any CHK builds
included, which makes the os installations considerably less useful, at least for me. The strange
thing is that the chk symbols are available, at least on the msft website, though I haven’t looked
on the symbols DVD yet.
mm
The presentations are on the USB key. I just wish they did not require
SilverLight to do anything besides browse the key and see the files named
for the session keys (not real useful, I really liked it when they name the
files on the CD’s for with the presentation names). I won’t use
Silverlight the one time I tried it on a test system it enabled so many
holes in IE that only way I found to get the malware scanners to shutup was
to low level format the drive. The other thing on Silverlight is it seems
to want IE7 something I am not willing to move to.
So my recommendation to the folks who put these things together, keep it
simple stupid, we driver dev’s are pretty primative types.
–
Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows Filesystem and Driver Consulting
Website: http://www.windrvr.com
Blog: http://msmvps.com/blogs/WinDrvr
“Martin O’Brien” wrote in message
news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> So, I just walked in the door and found that the DDC ‘materials’ had
> arrived as promised. In case your’s hasn’t arrived yet, here’s what I
> found.
>
> I haven’t investigated the actual contents of the disk yet, but just going
> the by labels, it would seem that the contents do not appear to be as
> advertised exactly (according to the insert), but overall, on the surface
> it appears to be a better than I was expecting:
>
> - there don’t seem to be any of the presentations/PowerPoints/documents; I
> think I remember someone saying that these would be available via connect
> or maybe as part of the WinHEC website, but I’m not sure.
>
> - there is a copy of the pre-beta Windows 7 WDK (6801.0) & SDK (6801.0),
> which I don’t recall anyone mentioning as part of the package; also,
> unlike the OS installations, at least the last time I checked, these were
> not available as part of the ‘Windows 7 Beta’ on connect.microsoft.com.
>
> - there is a 'Windows Symbols DVD, which is nice as they still aren’t
> (last time I checked) available on
> http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols, though they are available for
> download on the windbg home page (roughly), so you don’t have to download
> them (assuming that they work)
>
> - Windows 7 Ultimate x86_32
>
> - Windows 7 Ultimate x86_64
>
> - Windows Server 2008 RC2 Standard, Enterprise & Datacenter x86_64
>
> - Windows Server 2008 RC2 (mystery version) IA64
>
> - as is the case on connect.microsoft.com, it doesn’t appear that there
> are any CHK builds included, which makes the os installations considerably
> less useful, at least for me. The strange thing is that the chk symbols
> are available, at least on the msft website, though I haven’t looked on
> the symbols DVD yet.
>
> mm
>
Martin O’Brien wrote:
So, I just walked in the door and found that the DDC ‘materials’ had
arrived as promised. In case your’s hasn’t arrived yet, here’s what I
found.
Wow, I’m surprised yours took so long. Mine arrived LAST Tuesday. Does
the post office in your zip code use Segways?
I haven’t investigated the actual contents of the disk yet, but just
going the by labels, it would seem that the contents do not appear to
be as advertised exactly (according to the insert), but overall, on
the surface it appears to be a better than I was expecting:
- there don’t seem to be any of the
presentations/PowerPoints/documents; I think I remember someone saying
that these would be available via connect or maybe as part of the
WinHEC website, but I’m not sure.
The presentations and supporting documents are on the cute little
branded USB memory stick that was included in the CD case.
–
Tim Roberts, xxxxx@probo.com
Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc.
Mine came today also, and I have spoken with a number of people who still
don’t have them.
–
Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows Filesystem and Driver Consulting
Website: http://www.windrvr.com
Blog: http://msmvps.com/blogs/WinDrvr
“Tim Roberts” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> Martin O’Brien wrote:
>> So, I just walked in the door and found that the DDC ‘materials’ had
>> arrived as promised. In case your’s hasn’t arrived yet, here’s what I
>> found.
>
> Wow, I’m surprised yours took so long. Mine arrived LAST Tuesday. Does
> the post office in your zip code use Segways?
>
>
>> I haven’t investigated the actual contents of the disk yet, but just
>> going the by labels, it would seem that the contents do not appear to
>> be as advertised exactly (according to the insert), but overall, on
>> the surface it appears to be a better than I was expecting:
>>
>> - there don’t seem to be any of the
>> presentations/PowerPoints/documents; I think I remember someone saying
>> that these would be available via connect or maybe as part of the
>> WinHEC website, but I’m not sure.
>
> The presentations and supporting documents are on the cute little
> branded USB memory stick that was included in the CD case.
>
> –
> Tim Roberts, xxxxx@probo.com
> Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc.
>
>
My bad; thanks Tim/Don.
Maybe it’s just me, but I never would have thought to look on the thumb drive, unless I desperately
needed the presentations or something like that. I just thought it was in keeping with the ‘after
WinHEC, we’ll give you some stuff that we’re going to give them first’ theme, especially with the
inclusion of the lanyard.
In any case, thanks for letting me know, because I had already tossed the thumb drive and the
lanyard with the packaging.
Thanks,
mm
Tim Roberts wrote:
Martin O’Brien wrote:
> So, I just walked in the door and found that the DDC ‘materials’ had
> arrived as promised. In case your’s hasn’t arrived yet, here’s what I
> found.
Wow, I’m surprised yours took so long. Mine arrived LAST Tuesday. Does
the post office in your zip code use Segways?
> I haven’t investigated the actual contents of the disk yet, but just
> going the by labels, it would seem that the contents do not appear to
> be as advertised exactly (according to the insert), but overall, on
> the surface it appears to be a better than I was expecting:
>
> - there don’t seem to be any of the
> presentations/PowerPoints/documents; I think I remember someone saying
> that these would be available via connect or maybe as part of the
> WinHEC website, but I’m not sure.
The presentations and supporting documents are on the cute little
branded USB memory stick that was included in the CD case.
Don Burn wrote:
…I just wish they did not require
SilverLight to do anything besides browse the key and see the files named
for the session keys (not real useful, I really liked it when they name the
files on the CD’s for with the presentation names). I won’t use
Silverlight the one time I tried it on a test system it enabled so many
holes in IE that only way I found to get the malware scanners to shutup was
to low level format the drive.
Don, this is just unsupported FUD. Silverlight doesn’t poke holes in
IE. It is little more than a reduced and sandboxed version of the .NET
Common Language Runtime. It’s a great concept, and for a first
implementation, it’s not bad at all.
Perhaps your problem is faulty malware scanners.
The other thing on Silverlight is it seems
to want IE7 something I am not willing to move to.
I can attest that it also works in Firefox. I don’t know about IE6, but
if you really care about browser holes as much as you say, you are
foolish to stay with IE6. IE7 is much better.
–
Tim Roberts, xxxxx@probo.com
Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc.
Some of us dislike tabs more than viruses. It is a personal choice, but IE7
gets in my way with its UI to the point that I found it worthless. I am
not arguing with people who like tabs, but I do not and make a major effort
to get rid of them, which Micrsoft software keeps making harder to do.
–
Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows Filesystem and Driver Consulting
Website: http://www.windrvr.com
Blog: http://msmvps.com/blogs/WinDrvr
“Tim Roberts” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> Don Burn wrote:
>> …I just wish they did not require
>> SilverLight to do anything besides browse the key and see the files named
>> for the session keys (not real useful, I really liked it when they name
>> the
>> files on the CD’s for with the presentation names). I won’t use
>> Silverlight the one time I tried it on a test system it enabled so many
>> holes in IE that only way I found to get the malware scanners to shutup
>> was
>> to low level format the drive.
>
> Don, this is just unsupported FUD. Silverlight doesn’t poke holes in
> IE. It is little more than a reduced and sandboxed version of the .NET
> Common Language Runtime. It’s a great concept, and for a first
> implementation, it’s not bad at all.
>
> Perhaps your problem is faulty malware scanners.
>
>> The other thing on Silverlight is it seems
>> to want IE7 something I am not willing to move to.
>>
>
> I can attest that it also works in Firefox. I don’t know about IE6, but
> if you really care about browser holes as much as you say, you are
> foolish to stay with IE6. IE7 is much better.
>
> –
> Tim Roberts, xxxxx@probo.com
> Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc.
>
>
Tools->Internet Options->Tabs->Settings. Then uncheck “enable tabbed
browsing”. Doesn’t that work ?
//Daniel
“Don Burn” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> Some of us dislike tabs more than viruses. It is a personal choice, but
> IE7 gets in my way with its UI to the point that I found it worthless. I
> am not arguing with people who like tabs, but I do not and make a major
> effort to get rid of them, which Micrsoft software keeps making harder to
> do.
>
>
> –
> Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
> Windows Filesystem and Driver Consulting
> Website: http://www.windrvr.com
> Blog: http://msmvps.com/blogs/WinDrvr
>
>
Actually that has been a NOOP as far as I can determine. Which is another
reason I am not comfortable with IE7
–
Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows Filesystem and Driver Consulting
Website: http://www.windrvr.com
Blog: http://msmvps.com/blogs/WinDrvr
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wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> Tools->Internet Options->Tabs->Settings. Then uncheck “enable tabbed
> browsing”. Doesn’t that work ?
>
> //Daniel
>
>
> “Don Burn” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
>> Some of us dislike tabs more than viruses. It is a personal choice, but
>> IE7 gets in my way with its UI to the point that I found it worthless.
>> I am not arguing with people who like tabs, but I do not and make a major
>> effort to get rid of them, which Micrsoft software keeps making harder to
>> do.
>>
>>
>> –
>> Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
>> Windows Filesystem and Driver Consulting
>> Website: http://www.windrvr.com
>> Blog: http://msmvps.com/blogs/WinDrvr
>>
>>
>
>
Here it’s working fine. But you must restart IE for settings to take effect.
//Daniel
“Don Burn” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> Actually that has been a NOOP as far as I can determine. Which is another
> reason I am not comfortable with IE7
>
>
> –
> Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
> Windows Filesystem and Driver Consulting
> Website: http://www.windrvr.com
> Blog: http://msmvps.com/blogs/WinDrvr
> Remove StopSpam to reply
>
>
>
> wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
>> Tools->Internet Options->Tabs->Settings. Then uncheck “enable tabbed
>> browsing”. Doesn’t that work ?
>>
>> //Daniel
>>
>>
>> “Don Burn” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
>>> Some of us dislike tabs more than viruses. It is a personal choice, but
>>> IE7 gets in my way with its UI to the point that I found it worthless. I
>>> am not arguing with people who like tabs, but I do not and make a major
>>> effort to get rid of them, which Micrsoft software keeps making harder
>>> to do.
>>>
>>>
>>> –
>>> Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
>>> Windows Filesystem and Driver Consulting
>>> Website: http://www.windrvr.com
>>> Blog: http://msmvps.com/blogs/WinDrvr
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
I have tried this on 3 test machines (just tried again) still a NOP. I
filed a bug on it during the beta, had it closed “by design” . I am not
impressed.
–
Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
Windows Filesystem and Driver Consulting
Website: http://www.windrvr.com
Blog: http://msmvps.com/blogs/WinDrvr
Remove StopSpam to reply
wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> Here it’s working fine. But you must restart IE for settings to take
> effect.
>
> //Daniel
>
>
> “Don Burn” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
>> Actually that has been a NOOP as far as I can determine. Which is
>> another reason I am not comfortable with IE7
>>
>>
>> –
>> Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
>> Windows Filesystem and Driver Consulting
>> Website: http://www.windrvr.com
>> Blog: http://msmvps.com/blogs/WinDrvr
>> Remove StopSpam to reply
>>
>>
>>
>> wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
>>> Tools->Internet Options->Tabs->Settings. Then uncheck “enable tabbed
>>> browsing”. Doesn’t that work ?
>>>
>>> //Daniel
>>>
>>>
>>> “Don Burn” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
>>>> Some of us dislike tabs more than viruses. It is a personal choice,
>>>> but IE7 gets in my way with its UI to the point that I found it
>>>> worthless. I am not arguing with people who like tabs, but I do not and
>>>> make a major effort to get rid of them, which Micrsoft software keeps
>>>> making harder to do.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> –
>>>> Don Burn (MVP, Windows DDK)
>>>> Windows Filesystem and Driver Consulting
>>>> Website: http://www.windrvr.com
>>>> Blog: http://msmvps.com/blogs/WinDrvr
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Hmm … for those of us that couldn’t make it to DDC, any idea how to get
invited into the Win7 Beta program for those of us with drivers to test? It
ain’t on connect.microsoft.com yet.
(Martin, I know you’re not Microsoft, but hopefully they’re lurking…)
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Martin O’Brien
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 2:36 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] DDC Materials…
So, I just walked in the door and found that the DDC ‘materials’ had arrived
as promised. In case
your’s hasn’t arrived yet, here’s what I found.
I haven’t investigated the actual contents of the disk yet, but just going
the by labels, it would
seem that the contents do not appear to be as advertised exactly (according
to the insert), but
overall, on the surface it appears to be a better than I was expecting:
-
there don’t seem to be any of the
presentations/PowerPoints/documents; I think I remember someone
saying that these would be available via connect or maybe as part of the
WinHEC website, but I’m not
sure.
-
there is a copy of the pre-beta Windows 7 WDK (6801.0) & SDK
(6801.0), which I don’t recall
anyone mentioning as part of the package; also, unlike the OS installations,
at least the last time
I checked, these were not available as part of the ‘Windows 7 Beta’ on
connect.microsoft.com.
-
there is a 'Windows Symbols DVD, which is nice as they still
aren’t (last time I checked)
available on http://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols, though they are
available for download on
the windbg home page (roughly), so you don’t have to download them (assuming
that they work)
-
Windows 7 Ultimate x86_32
-
Windows 7 Ultimate x86_64
-
Windows Server 2008 RC2 Standard, Enterprise & Datacenter x86_64
-
Windows Server 2008 RC2 (mystery version) IA64
-
as is the case on connect.microsoft.com, it doesn’t appear that
there are any CHK builds
included, which makes the os installations considerably less useful, at
least for me. The strange
thing is that the chk symbols are available, at least on the msft website,
though I haven’t looked
on the symbols DVD yet.
mm
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Don Burn wrote:
I won’t use Silverlight the one time I tried it on a test system it
enabled so many holes in IE that only way I found to get the
malware scanners to shutup was to low level format the drive.
By the way, I don’t think you really mean “low level format” in its proper sense as this procedure ended around the time IDE came out (and I don’t think it’s even possible any more … unless you’re that Spinrite guy, maybe.)
Ken Cross wrote:
Hmm … for those of us that couldn’t make it to DDC, any idea how to get
invited into the Win7 Beta program for those of us with drivers to test? It
ain’t on connect.microsoft.com yet.
It’s not in beta yet. What we got from the DDC is a “pre-beta”
preview. When it goes into beta, I assume it will be present on connect.
–
Tim Roberts, xxxxx@probo.com
Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc.