Bill,
Current situation excepted … for me. I’m in a Dot gone that ain’t gone yet
(actually we started after the dot gones were all gone). All of our upper
management have been were we are … some low level schmuck trying to turn
out code and or hardware under impossible conditions. Aerospace anyone?
Hughes? GD? Honeywell?
This is the only company I have ever worked for that accepted a man-hour
estimate from me where I used a metric I learned a long time ago — 40
lines of high level code and 60 lines of assembly code per week. That
metric takes your from concept to design to test to documentation and thru
the loop a few times till you produce a finished product. Remember a man-day
is 8 hours, so don’t try to counter with a project based on a 33 hour day,
cuz that only raises the level of bovine scatology.
–
Gary G. Little
xxxxx@broadstor.com
xxxxx@inland.net
“Bill McKenzie” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
>
> The root problem is MOST managers are too friggin lazy or incompetent to
> know or to figure out what their people do, and thus who is good at it and
> who is not. That is how big companies get into these wonderful ‘metrics’
> games and such. The poor engineer who is skilled better get himself on
> something the boss likes and is visible as time won’t be an option to tell
> if he is good or not. This is also how stupid projects get traction. Its
a
> wonderful Dilbert-like principle that seems to play out time and time
again
> no matter how many dot gones there seem to be. You would think someone
> would figure it out, at least the investors, then again maybe they are.
>
> –
> Bill McKenzie
>
>
>
> “Ntdev Reader” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> >
> > Yeah, certification is really a VERY BAD idea. What it will turn into
> > is that bosses around will start requiring the certification and
> > driver developers will have to pay money to the certifying authority
> > maybe even including travelling there, for who would certify you by
> > e-mail or phone? And your current boss will not pay for this, for he
> > already knows your abilities. You will have to pay yourself, to get
> > a certificate before you find another job. So, this will just transfer
> > money from your pocket to the certifier, and won’t make you any better
> > developer. And they still won’t hire people without experience 
> >
> > What the original poster’s boss is looking for is likely to find
> > pretexts to be able to lay off somebody if a need arises. The only
> > cure for this is to spend more time learning and demonstrating to
> > him that you can to a good job. The boss needs reliable drivers in
> > predictable time. If you can give him this, he will love you.
> > Otherwise no certification will help.
> >
> > — Asher Hoodin wrote:
> > > OSR already has seminars. Other companies have WDM Training.
> > > Bother to look at the OSR web sight. As for certification in
> general…well
> > > MCSE failed miserably at making an inexperienced workforce any good.
> > > Nobody I have ever met is an MCSD. Maybe your boss should spring for
> some
> > > seminars.
> > > I am sure that some third party companies have testing available. I
> will
> > > forward
> > > the names of the companies shortly.
> > >
> > > Asher
> > >
> > > > Hi Guys,
> > > >
> > > > These not being the best of times, my Boss wants me take some sort
of
> > > > tests to quantify my proficiency in Windows device driver
development.
> > > >
> > > > Does any one of you know of good certifying authorities in
driverland.
> If
> > > > there are no one, does OSR plan to certify?
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Vinay.
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Yep, former Litton (OK, now it’s NorthrupGrumman). The funny thing is,
because my
(former) manager came up through the coding ranks, he tended to trust us
when we gave
estimates, and even padded them a bit before they went out to Marketing,
because he knew
from experience that they’d lie through their teeth. When they first tried
to have us do stuff
under Windows at Litton (we were formerly Unix or custom RTOS), he and I
tried to tack on
3 months *CALENDAR* learning curve. Marketing cut it. Guess what, we
delivered almost
precisely 3 months behind schedule.
“Gary G. Little” wrote in message
news:xxxxx@ntdev…
>
> Bill,
>
> Current situation excepted … for me. I’m in a Dot gone that ain’t gone
yet
> (actually we started after the dot gones were all gone). All of our upper
> management have been were we are … some low level schmuck trying to turn
> out code and or hardware under impossible conditions. Aerospace anyone?
> Hughes? GD? Honeywell?
>
> This is the only company I have ever worked for that accepted a man-hour
> estimate from me where I used a metric I learned a long time ago — 40
> lines of high level code and 60 lines of assembly code per week. That
> metric takes your from concept to design to test to documentation and thru
> the loop a few times till you produce a finished product. Remember a
man-day
> is 8 hours, so don’t try to counter with a project based on a 33 hour day,
> cuz that only raises the level of bovine scatology.
>
> –
> Gary G. Little
> xxxxx@broadstor.com
> xxxxx@inland.net
>
> “Bill McKenzie” wrote in message
news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> >
> > The root problem is MOST managers are too friggin lazy or incompetent to
> > know or to figure out what their people do, and thus who is good at it
and
> > who is not. That is how big companies get into these wonderful
‘metrics’
> > games and such. The poor engineer who is skilled better get himself on
> > something the boss likes and is visible as time won’t be an option to
tell
> > if he is good or not. This is also how stupid projects get traction.
Its
> a
> > wonderful Dilbert-like principle that seems to play out time and time
> again
> > no matter how many dot gones there seem to be. You would think someone
> > would figure it out, at least the investors, then again maybe they are.
> >
> > –
> > Bill McKenzie
> >
> >
> >
> > “Ntdev Reader” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> > >
> > > Yeah, certification is really a VERY BAD idea. What it will turn into
> > > is that bosses around will start requiring the certification and
> > > driver developers will have to pay money to the certifying authority
> > > maybe even including travelling there, for who would certify you by
> > > e-mail or phone? And your current boss will not pay for this, for he
> > > already knows your abilities. You will have to pay yourself, to get
> > > a certificate before you find another job. So, this will just transfer
> > > money from your pocket to the certifier, and won’t make you any better
> > > developer. And they still won’t hire people without experience
> > >
> > > What the original poster’s boss is looking for is likely to find
> > > pretexts to be able to lay off somebody if a need arises. The only
> > > cure for this is to spend more time learning and demonstrating to
> > > him that you can to a good job. The boss needs reliable drivers in
> > > predictable time. If you can give him this, he will love you.
> > > Otherwise no certification will help.
> > >
> > > — Asher Hoodin wrote:
> > > > OSR already has seminars. Other companies have WDM Training.
> > > > Bother to look at the OSR web sight. As for certification in
> > general…well
> > > > MCSE failed miserably at making an inexperienced workforce any good.
> > > > Nobody I have ever met is an MCSD. Maybe your boss should spring
for
> > some
> > > > seminars.
> > > > I am sure that some third party companies have testing available. I
> > will
> > > > forward
> > > > the names of the companies shortly.
> > > >
> > > > Asher
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Guys,
> > > > >
> > > > > These not being the best of times, my Boss wants me take some sort
> of
> > > > > tests to quantify my proficiency in Windows device driver
> development.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does any one of you know of good certifying authorities in
> driverland.
> > If
> > > > > there are no one, does OSR plan to certify?
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Vinay.
> > > > >
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