Re: Windbg

At 04:31 PM 1/21/2000 -0800, Lee Fisher wrote:

yes, we’re aware of the problems with Windbg. and we’re taking some major
steps to improve it. we’ve currently hard at work to release an improved
version of Windbg (and NTSD/KD).



> as
>soon as we’ve a release of this debugger package which is publicly usable,
>i’ll send out notice.
>
>Lee

Has anybody heard anything more on this topic, it’s been 3 months since Lee
said MS were working on it. Apologies if I missed the announcement.

Mark

Haven’t you noticed that windbag has improved? My copy has. Oh well, maybe
its just that windbag has trained me to work ‘the windbag way’. (The Tao of
Windbag. :slight_smile:

I never try to use workspaces anymore. Do everything from the command line
instead.

I never do any prolonged output commands (!process 0 7 is a no no.)

I always save command window information before I do anything, as that may
be the last time I get a chance to record the session.

Given a choice, windbag prefers nt4 over w2k.

Breakpoints are problematic, so add lots of printf tracing as an
alternative.

I have actually gotten used to the miserable state of affairs.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark S. Edwards [mailto:xxxxx@muttsnuts.com]
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 8:35 AM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: Windbg

At 04:31 PM 1/21/2000 -0800, Lee Fisher wrote:
>yes, we’re aware of the problems with Windbg. and we’re
taking some major
>steps to improve it. we’ve currently hard at work to release
an improved
>version of Windbg (and NTSD/KD).


>
> > as
> >soon as we’ve a release of this debugger package which is
> publicly usable,
> >i’ll send out notice.
> >
> >Lee
>
> Has anybody heard anything more on this topic, it’s been 3
> months since Lee
> said MS were working on it. Apologies if I missed the announcement.
>
> Mark
>
>
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I can not wait for any announcement from MS relating to improvement or bug
fixing, so I have changed the front to softice. This is not an advertisement
for Compuware.
It seems to me that Compuware imitates MS, to misuse the monopol to be
great. Because in order to have softice we must buy additional 3 other
tools, which do not have to do with debugging.
For short the situation on device driver debugging on Win2K: the BIG
monopolist is helping the SMALL one.

But there is always a hope for us, the device driver’s software developer,
the use of DbgPrint() and a properly designed device driver, so that we are
free from any Debugger.


From: Roddy, Mark[SMTP:xxxxx@stratus.com]
Reply To: NT Developers Interest List
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 4:39 PM
To: NT Developers Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Re: Windbg

Haven’t you noticed that windbag has improved? My copy has. Oh well, maybe
its just that windbag has trained me to work ‘the windbag way’. (The Tao
of
Windbag. :slight_smile:

I never try to use workspaces anymore. Do everything from the command line
instead.

I never do any prolonged output commands (!process 0 7 is a no no.)

I always save command window information before I do anything, as that may
be the last time I get a chance to record the session.

Given a choice, windbag prefers nt4 over w2k.

Breakpoints are problematic, so add lots of printf tracing as an
alternative.

I have actually gotten used to the miserable state of affairs.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark S. Edwards [mailto:xxxxx@muttsnuts.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 8:35 AM
> To: NT Developers Interest List
> Subject: [ntdev] Re: Windbg
>
>
> At 04:31 PM 1/21/2000 -0800, Lee Fisher wrote:
> >yes, we’re aware of the problems with Windbg. and we’re
> taking some major
> >steps to improve it. we’ve currently hard at work to release
> an improved
> >version of Windbg (and NTSD/KD).
>
>
> >
> > > as
> > >soon as we’ve a release of this debugger package which is
> > publicly usable,
> > >i’ll send out notice.
> > >
> > >Lee
> >
> > Has anybody heard anything more on this topic, it’s been 3
> > months since Lee
> > said MS were working on it. Apologies if I missed the announcement.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > —
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