I am going for a vote for programming editor. I have been using
CodeWright, but Borland is killing it - albeit slowly. The one with the
most votes, excluding Visual Studio, will be the first I try. I have
heard of MultiEdit and SlickEdit. SlickEdit appears to have the best
pricing with a competitive product offer. I use CodeWright to build
programs with Visual C++ 1.52c, MASM, and all the DDKs from Windows 95
to Windows Server 2003 having it start the batch compile and bring up
syntax errors automatically. It also has a nice feature so that I can
use it instead of Visual Studio for editing GUI programs for VS .NET
2003 and 6.0 as it can use the MS project files to control which source
files belong. I still switch back to VS to initiate the compiles, but I
much prefer the editing interface - it supports Brief. Brief emulation
is mandatory.
Well, the only editor for real programmers is, of course, emacs. It more
then an editor, it’s a way of life.
You might also look at source insight.
-----Original Message-----
From: David J. Craig [mailto:xxxxx@yoshimuni.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 7:09 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Editor?
I am going for a vote for programming editor. I have been using
CodeWright, but Borland is killing it - albeit slowly. The one with the
most votes, excluding Visual Studio, will be the first I try. I have
heard of MultiEdit and SlickEdit. SlickEdit appears to have the best
pricing with a competitive product offer. I use CodeWright to build
programs with Visual C++ 1.52c, MASM, and all the DDKs from Windows 95
to Windows Server 2003 having it start the batch compile and bring up
syntax errors automatically. It also has a nice feature so that I can
use it instead of Visual Studio for editing GUI programs for VS .NET
2003 and 6.0 as it can use the MS project files to control which source
files belong. I still switch back to VS to initiate the compiles, but I
much prefer the editing interface - it supports Brief. Brief emulation
is mandatory.
Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
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I use the MS IDE in Visual Studio and it has GREAT Brief emulation. I also
have a DOS and OS/2 copy of Brief lying around for those times I MUST do
something in DOS.
For many years I used Visual Slick Edit and it is a great product. I tried
CW, but could not get use to it. If you plan to develop in the MS
environment and use MS platforms, I recommend the MS IDE editor(s).
My .1929565342 worth
Jamey
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From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of David J. Craig
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 7:09 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Editor?
I am going for a vote for programming editor. I have been using
CodeWright, but Borland is killing it - albeit slowly. The one with the
most votes, excluding Visual Studio, will be the first I try. I have
heard of MultiEdit and SlickEdit. SlickEdit appears to have the best
pricing with a competitive product offer. I use CodeWright to build
programs with Visual C++ 1.52c, MASM, and all the DDKs from Windows 95
to Windows Server 2003 having it start the batch compile and bring up
syntax errors automatically. It also has a nice feature so that I can
use it instead of Visual Studio for editing GUI programs for VS .NET
2003 and 6.0 as it can use the MS project files to control which source
files belong. I still switch back to VS to initiate the compiles, but I
much prefer the editing interface - it supports Brief. Brief emulation
is mandatory.
Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
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Excluding Visual Studio…, so it seems like U are looking for something
else…
Current trend, seems to me, is not just project mangement, but also
component managment, if you happen to be interested
in that ( ie. first just the editor, second manage project ( sort of targets
to be built), third workspace, forth component management ). Visual studio
is coming up with that, as someone pointed it out few wks ago, different
targets
from the same workspace.
So if you have component managment as well, then it is bit difficult to
choose from, at this point in time. For example,
eCos has a nice component manager, also win ce platform builder has a great
one. IBM’s Visual Age is another one, and this one particularly have many
device support plug-in(s). But Visual age might not support native ASM
coding, not sure. It handles only Java/C/C++, also not sure if it handles
Brief compatibility, but I would guess probably yes. For example, I want to
write some infrastructure code that should work on Palm, as well as wince, I
would take a serious look at this IBM visual age. I did use it for
prototyping …
If you are interested in one user interface, but many computing/developing
environment (windows/Palm/Linux/Symbian/Rim )Code Warrior seems to win. Dont
know if the editor has brief compatibilty, again there is a free download
try. For Linux env. I did not like it, but bit better than others available.
There is no concept of MDI, as far as I know.
If you are looking for just Windows/DOS environment, I dont see any reason
not to use Visual Studio, still lot of interfaces are common between 16bit
and 32 bit, and there is no need to use the “programmers work bench” of
MASM.
-pro
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[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]On Behalf Of Jamey Kirby
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 12:52 AM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: RE: [ntdev] Editor?
I use the MS IDE in Visual Studio and it has GREAT Brief emulation. I also
have a DOS and OS/2 copy of Brief lying around for those times I MUST do
something in DOS.
For many years I used Visual Slick Edit and it is a great product. I tried
CW, but could not get use to it. If you plan to develop in the MS
environment and use MS platforms, I recommend the MS IDE editor(s).
My .1929565342 worth
Jamey
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[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of David J. Craig
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 7:09 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Editor?
I am going for a vote for programming editor. I have been using
CodeWright, but Borland is killing it - albeit slowly. The one with the
most votes, excluding Visual Studio, will be the first I try. I have
heard of MultiEdit and SlickEdit. SlickEdit appears to have the best
pricing with a competitive product offer. I use CodeWright to build
programs with Visual C++ 1.52c, MASM, and all the DDKs from Windows 95
to Windows Server 2003 having it start the batch compile and bring up
syntax errors automatically. It also has a nice feature so that I can
use it instead of Visual Studio for editing GUI programs for VS .NET
2003 and 6.0 as it can use the MS project files to control which source
files belong. I still switch back to VS to initiate the compiles, but I
much prefer the editing interface - it supports Brief. Brief emulation
is mandatory.
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> So if you have component managment as well, then it is bit difficult to
choose from, at this point in time. For example,
eCos has a nice component manager, also win ce platform builder has a great
one.
Sorry.
I prefer component management to be done by editing the SOURCES-like file
manually. There is no need in any GUI in this - and any GUI in this is just
illusion of usability for dummies.
Windows core OS uses SOURCES, Linux uses makefiles (the similar approach),
other UNIXen also go this way - then why have the clumsy memory-heavy IDE to do
the things which can be done in NOTEPAD?
Let’s look at WinCE PB. While building the platform, it spends around 10
minutes (on dual Pentium III) at sysgen phase, even without compiling/linking
anything. Sorry, but what occurs at this phase? I expect this is some lag
introduced by the component management approach in it.
The value of MSVC++/Visual Studio IDEs are only 2:
- good text editor
- wizards which generate the code “bones” for MFC/ATL etc.
Maxim Shatskih, Windows DDK MVP
StorageCraft Corporation
xxxxx@storagecraft.com
http://www.storagecraft.com
Nothing tobe sorry 'bout, you do have a valid point, as usual. I happen to
be involved in an embedded project partly when Wince was at 1.x version, HP
was doing some cool stuff. At that time, there was no platform builder, and
having to configure the OS (OAL layers mostly) by tweaking makefile(s) was a
royal pain in the *ss. There was no BSP package(s) or hardly any vendors out
there for BSP packages, so all was very raw. Platform builder and such
helps, but as you said, whenever there is a hiccup, we all needs to digdown,
and editing SOURCES or makefile is only recourse to solve those. As an
example, think about how many apps are built using MFC (since 16 bits), I
imagine a lot, a whole lot. But if someone needs to understand, or in case
of a serious problem, one has to dig down deep, and at that stage, C or even
asm is the only recourse, same idea, kick start with some dummy boilerplate
code then start digging as needed.
For example, when I code on Linux, or build new kernel patch or new version,
if I want to look at the source, my finger types " vi some source" or vi !.
Even people thinks emacs is old, so vi must be ancient, but just got so used
to it, never quite got out of it. So it all depends, how one look at it. I
personally like component management, specially when a clicking takes
networking module out of my build, for example, but there is an imminent
danger, if anything goes wrong, there is an extra element one needs to
learn, that is that, learn the engine’s working behind the component
manager.
Personally, I would be really happy if I dont have to look outside windows
development, even more outside dos environement, then I would not need to
worry about multi-process, multi-thread, real-mode direct hardware access,
use a brief like editor, and hex editor, everything is much much simpler,
but situation(s) demands to look outside the windows, and that’s where I go
for speed, and obviously some dummy approaches, otherwise, my mind would
completely blow-up due to distraction(s) on the way …
-pro
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From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]On Behalf Of Maxim S. Shatskih
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 11:22 AM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: Re: [ntdev] Editor?
So if you have component managment as well, then it is bit difficult to
choose from, at this point in time. For example,
eCos has a nice component manager, also win ce platform builder has a
great
one.
Sorry.
I prefer component management to be done by editing the SOURCES-like file
manually. There is no need in any GUI in this - and any GUI in this is just
illusion of usability for dummies.
Windows core OS uses SOURCES, Linux uses makefiles (the similar approach),
other UNIXen also go this way - then why have the clumsy memory-heavy IDE to
do
the things which can be done in NOTEPAD?
Let’s look at WinCE PB. While building the platform, it spends around 10
minutes (on dual Pentium III) at sysgen phase, even without
compiling/linking
anything. Sorry, but what occurs at this phase? I expect this is some lag
introduced by the component management approach in it.
The value of MSVC++/Visual Studio IDEs are only 2:
- good text editor
- wizards which generate the code “bones” for MFC/ATL etc.
Maxim Shatskih, Windows DDK MVP
StorageCraft Corporation
xxxxx@storagecraft.com
http://www.storagecraft.com
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Okay, I couldn’t keep quiet anymore about my editor of choice. I’ve been
using Epsilon from Lugaru (http://www.lugaru.com) for 13+ years. They have
versions for DOS, OS/2, Windows, and many Unix platforms and most (if not
all) versions come in the same package with one license. It’s an Emacs-like
editor and has been around for 17+ years. There is an extensible
programming language that lets you modify it’s behavior in almost any
fashion you can think of and a large user community who develop (and give
away) their extensions. It has everything to meet my needs and is a
relatively simple yet elegant editor. I’ve tried other ones over the years,
but I always come back after a day (or half-day.)
Paul
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[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Prokash Sinha
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 2:51 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: RE: [ntdev] Editor?
Nothing tobe sorry 'bout, you do have a valid point, as usual. I happen to
be involved in an embedded project partly when Wince was at 1.x version, HP
was doing some cool stuff. At that time, there was no platform builder, and
having to configure the OS (OAL layers mostly) by tweaking makefile(s) was a
royal pain in the *ss. There was no BSP package(s) or hardly any vendors out
there for BSP packages, so all was very raw. Platform builder and such
helps, but as you said, whenever there is a hiccup, we all needs to digdown,
and editing SOURCES or makefile is only recourse to solve those. As an
example, think about how many apps are built using MFC (since 16 bits), I
imagine a lot, a whole lot. But if someone needs to understand, or in case
of a serious problem, one has to dig down deep, and at that stage, C or even
asm is the only recourse, same idea, kick start with some dummy boilerplate
code then start digging as needed.
For example, when I code on Linux, or build new kernel patch or new version,
if I want to look at the source, my finger types " vi some source" or vi !.
Even people thinks emacs is old, so vi must be ancient, but just got so used
to it, never quite got out of it. So it all depends, how one look at it. I
personally like component management, specially when a clicking takes
networking module out of my build, for example, but there is an imminent
danger, if anything goes wrong, there is an extra element one needs to
learn, that is that, learn the engine’s working behind the component
manager.
Personally, I would be really happy if I dont have to look outside windows
development, even more outside dos environement, then I would not need to
worry about multi-process, multi-thread, real-mode direct hardware access,
use a brief like editor, and hex editor, everything is much much simpler,
but situation(s) demands to look outside the windows, and that’s where I go
for speed, and obviously some dummy approaches, otherwise, my mind would
completely blow-up due to distraction(s) on the way …
-pro
-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com
[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]On Behalf Of Maxim S. Shatskih
Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 11:22 AM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: Re: [ntdev] Editor?
So if you have component managment as well, then it is bit difficult to
choose from, at this point in time. For example,
eCos has a nice component manager, also win ce platform builder has a
great
one.
Sorry.
I prefer component management to be done by editing the SOURCES-like file
manually. There is no need in any GUI in this - and any GUI in this is just
illusion of usability for dummies.
Windows core OS uses SOURCES, Linux uses makefiles (the similar approach),
other UNIXen also go this way - then why have the clumsy memory-heavy IDE to
do
the things which can be done in NOTEPAD?
Let’s look at WinCE PB. While building the platform, it spends around 10
minutes (on dual Pentium III) at sysgen phase, even without
compiling/linking
anything. Sorry, but what occurs at this phase? I expect this is some lag
introduced by the component management approach in it.
The value of MSVC++/Visual Studio IDEs are only 2:
- good text editor
- wizards which generate the code “bones” for MFC/ATL etc.
Maxim Shatskih, Windows DDK MVP
StorageCraft Corporation
xxxxx@storagecraft.com
http://www.storagecraft.com
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Visual Studio’s IDE, .NET current incarnation. (Enterprise Architect if you
can)
–
Gary G. Little
Seagate Technologies, LLC
“David J. Craig” wrote in message
news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> I am going for a vote for programming editor. I have been using
> CodeWright, but Borland is killing it - albeit slowly. The one with the
> most votes, excluding Visual Studio, will be the first I try. I have
> heard of MultiEdit and SlickEdit. SlickEdit appears to have the best
> pricing with a competitive product offer. I use CodeWright to build
> programs with Visual C++ 1.52c, MASM, and all the DDKs from Windows 95
> to Windows Server 2003 having it start the batch compile and bring up
> syntax errors automatically. It also has a nice feature so that I can
> use it instead of Visual Studio for editing GUI programs for VS .NET
> 2003 and 6.0 as it can use the MS project files to control which source
> files belong. I still switch back to VS to initiate the compiles, but I
> much prefer the editing interface - it supports Brief. Brief emulation
> is mandatory.
>
>
>
Gary, Brief emulation is mandatory. MS dropped it from .NET 2003. I
also don’t like some of the major changes that occur with each major
release. It is a hog too, but I do use it for all my GUI programming,
including system utilities that use the DDK header files.
“Gary G. Little” wrote in message
news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> Visual Studio’s IDE, .NET current incarnation. (Enterprise Architect
if you
> can)
>
> –
> Gary G. Little
> Seagate Technologies, LLC
>
> “David J. Craig” wrote in message
> news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> > I am going for a vote for programming editor. I have been using
> > CodeWright, but Borland is killing it - albeit slowly. The one with
the
> > most votes, excluding Visual Studio, will be the first I try. I
have
> > heard of MultiEdit and SlickEdit. SlickEdit appears to have the
best
> > pricing with a competitive product offer. I use CodeWright to build
> > programs with Visual C++ 1.52c, MASM, and all the DDKs from Windows
95
> > to Windows Server 2003 having it start the batch compile and bring
up
> > syntax errors automatically. It also has a nice feature so that I
can
> > use it instead of Visual Studio for editing GUI programs for VS .NET
> > 2003 and 6.0 as it can use the MS project files to control which
source
> > files belong. I still switch back to VS to initiate the compiles,
but I
> > much prefer the editing interface - it supports Brief. Brief
emulation
> > is mandatory.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
Actually, believe it or not, I’ll vote for MSVC 6. Or, if you want to use a
manly editor, I’d say Emacs.
Alberto.
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[mailto:xxxxx@lists.osr.com]On Behalf Of David J. Craig
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 10:09 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: [ntdev] Editor?
I am going for a vote for programming editor. I have been using
CodeWright, but Borland is killing it - albeit slowly. The one with the
most votes, excluding Visual Studio, will be the first I try. I have
heard of MultiEdit and SlickEdit. SlickEdit appears to have the best
pricing with a competitive product offer. I use CodeWright to build
programs with Visual C++ 1.52c, MASM, and all the DDKs from Windows 95
to Windows Server 2003 having it start the batch compile and bring up
syntax errors automatically. It also has a nice feature so that I can
use it instead of Visual Studio for editing GUI programs for VS .NET
2003 and 6.0 as it can use the MS project files to control which source
files belong. I still switch back to VS to initiate the compiles, but I
much prefer the editing interface - it supports Brief. Brief emulation
is mandatory.
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> -----Original Message-----
From: David J. Craig [mailto:xxxxx@yoshimuni.com]
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 10:52 AM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: Re:[ntdev] Editor?Gary, Brief emulation is mandatory. MS dropped it from .NET
2003. I also don’t like some of the major changes that occur
with each major release. It is a hog too, but I do use it
for all my GUI programming, including system utilities that
use the DDK header files.
Well that’s the problem in a nutshell. You can hate VS, but it is really
hard to get away from. So then the question becomes ‘do you really want to
have to use two different program editors and programming environments?’
Even though I used to be an emacs bigot, I’ve ended up just putting up with
VS in all of its incarnations, and learning how to make everything look like
a VS project.
Whatever you think of the merits or lack thereof of integrating the ddk
build system with VS, not having to constantly change program editing models
works for me.
=====================
Mark Roddy
I’m a Brief guy too. I use Visual Slickedit. One of my favorite things is
the ability to customize the key mappings and menus. I have a popup menu to
insert comments with my initials and a date/time stamp, for instance. I
turn off most of the toolbars to maximize viewable code area. I do driver
builds, including secondary processing like Lint or PREFast, directly within
VSE. I simply wrote a batch file to call SETENV and BUILD with the desired
parameters and environment variables in place. Double clicking on errors to
jump to offending source is right there. VSE is sweet stuff.
Chris Myers
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From: David J. Craig [mailto:xxxxx@yoshimuni.com]
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 10:52 AM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: Re:[ntdev] Editor?Gary, Brief emulation is mandatory. MS dropped it from .NET
2003. I also don’t like some of the major changes that occur
with each major release. It is a hog too, but I do use it for
all my GUI programming, including system utilities that use
the DDK header files.“Gary G. Little” wrote in message
>news:xxxxx@ntdev…
>> Visual Studio’s IDE, .NET current incarnation. (Enterprise Architect
>if you
>> can)
>>
>> –
>> Gary G. Little
>> Seagate Technologies, LLC
>>
>> “David J. Craig” wrote in message
>> news:xxxxx@ntdev…
>> > I am going for a vote for programming editor. I have been using
>> > CodeWright, but Borland is killing it - albeit slowly.
>The one with
>the
>> > most votes, excluding Visual Studio, will be the first I try. I
>have
>> > heard of MultiEdit and SlickEdit. SlickEdit appears to have the
>best
>> > pricing with a competitive product offer. I use
>CodeWright to build
>> > programs with Visual C++ 1.52c, MASM, and all the DDKs from Windows
>95
>> > to Windows Server 2003 having it start the batch compile and bring
>up
>> > syntax errors automatically. It also has a nice feature so that I
>can
>> > use it instead of Visual Studio for editing GUI programs
>for VS .NET
>> > 2003 and 6.0 as it can use the MS project files to control which
>source
>> > files belong. I still switch back to VS to initiate the compiles,
>but I
>> > much prefer the editing interface - it supports Brief. Brief
>emulation
>> > is mandatory.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>—
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Ditto
–
Bill McKenzie
Software Engineer - Prism 802.11 Wireless Solutions
Conexant Systems, Inc.
“Roddy, Mark” wrote in message news:xxxxx@ntdev…
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David J. Craig [mailto:xxxxx@yoshimuni.com]
> > Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 10:52 AM
> > To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
> > Subject: Re:[ntdev] Editor?
> >
> > Gary, Brief emulation is mandatory. MS dropped it from .NET
> > 2003. I also don’t like some of the major changes that occur
> > with each major release. It is a hog too, but I do use it
> > for all my GUI programming, including system utilities that
> > use the DDK header files.
> >
>
> Well that’s the problem in a nutshell. You can hate VS, but it is really
> hard to get away from. So then the question becomes ‘do you really want to
> have to use two different program editors and programming environments?’
> Even though I used to be an emacs bigot, I’ve ended up just putting up
with
> VS in all of its incarnations, and learning how to make everything look
like
> a VS project.
>
> Whatever you think of the merits or lack thereof of integrating the ddk
> build system with VS, not having to constantly change program editing
models
> works for me.
>
>
>
> =====================
> Mark Roddy
>
>
Just a note about Multi-Edit and Brief support. It was added long years before when Brief was the only real competitor. Currently I’m affraid only few people use it and there can be problems. I heard about some with single window mode which, if I understand correctly, emulates Brief window look. If you’re considering it, download demo and try if it fulfils your needs. Editor choice is probably the most important one (although people using VS or notepad don’t see it 
and preferences differ.
Best regards,
Michal Vodicka
UPEK, Inc.
[xxxxx@upek.com, http:://www.upek.com]
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Subject: [ntdev] Editor?I am going for a vote for programming editor. I have been using
CodeWright, but Borland is killing it - albeit slowly. The one with the
most votes, excluding Visual Studio, will be the first I try. I have
heard of MultiEdit and SlickEdit. SlickEdit appears to have the best
pricing with a competitive product offer. I use CodeWright to build
programs with Visual C++ 1.52c, MASM, and all the DDKs from Windows 95
to Windows Server 2003 having it start the batch compile and bring up
syntax errors automatically. It also has a nice feature so that I can
use it instead of Visual Studio for editing GUI programs for VS .NET
2003 and 6.0 as it can use the MS project files to control which source
files belong. I still switch back to VS to initiate the compiles, but I
much prefer the editing interface - it supports Brief. Brief emulation
is mandatory.
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From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com[SMTP:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] on behalf of Roddy, Mark[SMTP:xxxxx@stratus.com]
Reply To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 11:18 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: RE: [ntdev] Editor?Well that’s the problem in a nutshell. You can hate VS, but it is really
hard to get away from.
Why? For application developer who designs user interfaces, maybe. But for driver developer? Every good programmers editor can be configured to start a batch for driver or application build, capture output and find errors. VS integrated debugger has no use in kernel mode and kernel debugger can be used also for user mode debugging (I use SoftICE for everything).
P.S. I apologize for HTML mails. Our new mailserver is misconfigured (wrong default); it should be fixed soon.
Best regards,
Michal Vodicka
STMicroelectronics Design and Application s.r.o.
[michal.vodicka@st.com, http:://www.st.com]
The auto completion and source browsing are the great features.
Regards,
Calvin
Calvin Guan Software Engineer
ATI Technologies Inc. www.ati.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Michal Vodicka [mailto:xxxxx@veridicom.cz.nospam]
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 3:11 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: RE: [ntdev] Editor?
From:
xxxxx@lists.osr.com[SMTP:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] on
behalf of Roddy, Mark[SMTP:xxxxx@stratus.com]
Reply To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 11:18 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: RE: [ntdev] Editor?
Well that’s the problem in a nutshell. You can hate VS, but it is
really
hard to get away from.
Why? For application developer who designs user interfaces, maybe. But for
driver developer? Every good programmers editor can be configured to start a
batch for driver or application build, capture output and find errors. VS
integrated debugger has no use in kernel mode and kernel debugger can be
used also for user mode debugging (I use SoftICE for everything).
P.S. I apologize for HTML mails. Our new mailserver is misconfigured (wrong
default); it should be fixed soon.
Best regards,
Michal Vodicka
STMicroelectronics Design and Application s.r.o.
[michal.vodicka@st.com, http:://www.st.com]
Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@ati.com
To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
Why? Because I frequently build related applications and drivers. If you
don’t, if your test apps are all command line stuff, if you have no user
interface requirements that go beyond a command line, then indeed any editor
will do. Otherwise see my previous comments.
(Perhaps you could forward your mail to me and I will de-htmlize it for you
=====================
Mark Roddy
From: Michal Vodicka [mailto:xxxxx@veridicom.cz.nospam]
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 3:11 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: RE: [ntdev] Editor?
From:
xxxxx@lists.osr.com[SMTP:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] on
behalf of Roddy, Mark[SMTP:xxxxx@stratus.com]
Reply To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 11:18 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: RE: [ntdev] Editor?
Well that’s the problem in a nutshell. You can hate VS, but
it is really
hard to get away from.
Why? For application developer who designs user interfaces, maybe.
But for driver developer? Every good programmers editor can be configured to
start a batch for driver or application build, capture output and find
errors. VS integrated debugger has no use in kernel mode and kernel debugger
can be used also for user mode debugging (I use SoftICE for everything).
P.S. I apologize for HTML mails. Our new mailserver is misconfigured
(wrong default); it should be fixed soon.
Best regards,
Michal Vodicka
STMicroelectronics Design and Application s.r.o.
[michal.vodicka@st.com, http:://www.st.com]
Questions? First check the Kernel Driver FAQ at
http://www.osronline.com/article.cfm?id=256
You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: xxxxx@stratus.com
To unsubscribe send a blank email to xxxxx@lists.osr.com
Has anyone tried UltraEdit?
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From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com[SMTP:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] on behalf of Roddy, Mark[SMTP:xxxxx@stratus.com]
Reply To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 9:28 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: RE: [ntdev] Editor?Why? Because I frequently build related applications and drivers. If you
don’t, if your test apps are all command line stuff, if you have no user
interface requirements that go beyond a command line, then indeed any editor
will do. Otherwise see my previous comments.
OK, I see. Yes, I prefer command line testing tools and the rest of my user mode development are DLLs and services.
(Perhaps you could forward your mail to me and I will de-htmlize it for you
It would be nice if listserv has this feature.
Best regards,
Michal Vodicka
UPEK, Inc.
[xxxxx@upek.com, http:://www.upek.com]
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From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com[SMTP:xxxxx@lists.osr.com] on behalf of Calvin Guan[SMTP:xxxxx@ati.com]
Reply To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 9:26 PM
To: Windows System Software Devs Interest List
Subject: RE: [ntdev] Editor?The auto completion and source browsing are the great features.
Yes. Other editors supported it years before the first VS version was released Seriously, there can be reasons to stay with VS IDE but editor features isn’t one of them (don’t intend to start flamewar).
Best regards,
Michal Vodicka
UPEK, Inc.
[xxxxx@upek.com, http:://www.upek.com]