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Re: Windbg
Mark_S._Edwards
Member Posts: 475
in NTDEV
At 04:31 PM 1/21/2000 -0800, Lee Fisher wrote:
>yes, we're aware of the problems with Windbg. and we're taking some major
>steps to improve it. we've currently hard at work to release an improved
>version of Windbg (and NTSD/KD).
<snip>
> as
>soon as we've a release of this debugger package which is publicly usable,
>i'll send out notice.
>
>Lee
Has anybody heard anything more on this topic, it's been 3 months since Lee
said MS were working on it. Apologies if I missed the announcement.
Mark
>yes, we're aware of the problems with Windbg. and we're taking some major
>steps to improve it. we've currently hard at work to release an improved
>version of Windbg (and NTSD/KD).
<snip>
> as
>soon as we've a release of this debugger package which is publicly usable,
>i'll send out notice.
>
>Lee
Has anybody heard anything more on this topic, it's been 3 months since Lee
said MS were working on it. Apologies if I missed the announcement.
Mark
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Comments
its just that windbag has trained me to work 'the windbag way'. (The Tao of
Windbag. :-)
I never try to use workspaces anymore. Do everything from the command line
instead.
I never do any prolonged output commands (!process 0 7 is a no no.)
I always save command window information before I do anything, as that may
be the last time I get a chance to record the session.
Given a choice, windbag prefers nt4 over w2k.
Breakpoints are problematic, so add lots of printf tracing as an
alternative.
I have actually gotten used to the miserable state of affairs.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark S. Edwards [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 8:35 AM
> To: NT Developers Interest List
> Subject: [ntdev] Re: Windbg
>
>
> At 04:31 PM 1/21/2000 -0800, Lee Fisher wrote:
> >yes, we're aware of the problems with Windbg. and we're
> taking some major
> >steps to improve it. we've currently hard at work to release
> an improved
> >version of Windbg (and NTSD/KD).
>
> <snip>
>
> > as
> >soon as we've a release of this debugger package which is
> publicly usable,
> >i'll send out notice.
> >
> >Lee
>
> Has anybody heard anything more on this topic, it's been 3
> months since Lee
> said MS were working on it. Apologies if I missed the announcement.
>
> Mark
>
>
> ---
> You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: [email protected]
> To unsubscribe send a blank email to $subst('Email.Unsub')
>
fixing, so I have changed the front to softice. This is not an advertisement
for Compuware.
It seems to me that Compuware imitates MS, to misuse the monopol to be
great. Because in order to have softice we must buy additional 3 other
tools, which do not have to do with debugging.
For short the situation on device driver debugging on Win2K: the BIG
monopolist is helping the SMALL one.
But there is always a hope for us, the device driver's software developer,
the use of DbgPrint() and a properly designed device driver, so that we are
free from any Debugger.
> ----------
> From: Roddy, Mark[SMTP:[email protected]]
> Reply To: NT Developers Interest List
> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 4:39 PM
> To: NT Developers Interest List
> Subject: [ntdev] Re: Windbg
>
> Haven't you noticed that windbag has improved? My copy has. Oh well, maybe
> its just that windbag has trained me to work 'the windbag way'. (The Tao
> of
> Windbag. :-)
>
> I never try to use workspaces anymore. Do everything from the command line
> instead.
>
> I never do any prolonged output commands (!process 0 7 is a no no.)
>
> I always save command window information before I do anything, as that may
> be the last time I get a chance to record the session.
>
> Given a choice, windbag prefers nt4 over w2k.
>
> Breakpoints are problematic, so add lots of printf tracing as an
> alternative.
>
> I have actually gotten used to the miserable state of affairs.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark S. Edwards [mailto:[email protected]]
> > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 8:35 AM
> > To: NT Developers Interest List
> > Subject: [ntdev] Re: Windbg
> >
> >
> > At 04:31 PM 1/21/2000 -0800, Lee Fisher wrote:
> > >yes, we're aware of the problems with Windbg. and we're
> > taking some major
> > >steps to improve it. we've currently hard at work to release
> > an improved
> > >version of Windbg (and NTSD/KD).
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > as
> > >soon as we've a release of this debugger package which is
> > publicly usable,
> > >i'll send out notice.
> > >
> > >Lee
> >
> > Has anybody heard anything more on this topic, it's been 3
> > months since Lee
> > said MS were working on it. Apologies if I missed the announcement.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > ---
> > You are currently subscribed to ntdev as: [email protected]
> > To unsubscribe send a blank email to $subst('Email.Unsub')
> >
>
> ---
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