Hiding under my rock here I notice that Mr. Tippet?s replies have been referenced frequently and yet I don?t have any of them flowing into my in-box. I do see them at osronline.com but alas I am generally quite lazy and like to just keep up on NTDEV by reading e-mail.
Now it is completely conceivable and reasonable that Jeffery has asked to ensure that no sign of his activity ever make it into my inbox. He would be completely justified given the history of NDIS bog-swill I have pitched around in earlier days. But I suspect the explanation is far simpler than that.
But I have no idea why. And gosh, I do love me a good NDIS read ?
Regards,
Dave Cattley
Sent from Mailhttps: for Windows 10 (which could be the problem)</https:>
> Hiding under my rock here I notice that Mr. Tippet’s replies have been > referenced frequently and yet I don’t have any of them flowing into my > in-box. I do see them at osronline.com but alas I am generally quite > lazy and like to just keep up on NTDEV by reading e-mail. > > > > Now it is completely conceivable and reasonable that Jeffery has asked to > ensure that no sign of his activity ever make it into my inbox. He would > be completely justified given the history of NDIS bog-swill I have pitched > around in earlier days. But I suspect the explanation is far simpler than > that. > > > > But I have no idea why. And gosh, I do love me a good NDIS read … > > > > Regards, > > Dave Cattley > > > > Sent from Mail https: for > Windows 10 (which could be the problem) > > > > — > NTDEV is sponsored by OSR > > Visit the list online at: http:> showlists.cfm?list=ntdev> > > MONTHLY seminars on crash dump analysis, WDF, Windows internals and > software drivers! > Details at http: > > To unsubscribe, visit the List Server section of OSR Online at < > http://www.osronline.com/page.cfm?name=ListServer> ></http:></http:></https:>
On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Dave Cattley wrote: > Hiding under my rock here I notice that Mr. Tippet’s replies have been > referenced frequently and yet I don’t have any of them flowing into my > in-box. I do see them at osronline.com but alas I am generally quite lazy > and like to just keep up on NTDEV by reading e-mail. > > > > Now it is completely conceivable and reasonable that Jeffery has asked to > ensure that no sign of his activity ever make it into my inbox. He would be > completely justified given the history of NDIS bog-swill I have pitched > around in earlier days. But I suspect the explanation is far simpler than > that. > > > > But I have no idea why. And gosh, I do love me a good NDIS read … >
I’m getting a lot of OSR emails in my junk folder. Have you checked there?
If an admin sees this thread they might want to check to see that the OSR domain hasn’t been blacklisted.
I get those only for senders from Symantec, which is a long standing
problem.
But Mr. Tippet’s just seem to be missing in my case, at least.
mm
On Jun 27, 2017 2:52 PM, “R0b0t1” wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Dave Cattley wrote: > > Hiding under my rock here I notice that Mr. Tippet’s replies have been > > referenced frequently and yet I don’t have any of them flowing into my > > in-box. I do see them at osronline.com but alas I am generally quite > lazy > > and like to just keep up on NTDEV by reading e-mail. > > > > > > > > Now it is completely conceivable and reasonable that Jeffery has asked to > > ensure that no sign of his activity ever make it into my inbox. He > would be > > completely justified given the history of NDIS bog-swill I have pitched > > around in earlier days. But I suspect the explanation is far simpler > than > > that. > > > > > > > > But I have no idea why. And gosh, I do love me a good NDIS read … > > > > I’m getting a lot of OSR emails in my junk folder. Have you checked there? > > If an admin sees this thread they might want to check to see that the > OSR domain hasn’t been blacklisted. > > — > NTDEV is sponsored by OSR > > Visit the list online at: http:> showlists.cfm?list=ntdev> > > MONTHLY seminars on crash dump analysis, WDF, Windows internals and > software drivers! > Details at http: > > To unsubscribe, visit the List Server section of OSR Online at < > http://www.osronline.com/page.cfm?name=ListServer> ></http:></http:>
For me all Microsoft emails vanish. For a while gmail was throwing
them into the spam folder complaining about the domain not matching
(presumably microsoft.com and osr.com), but those days are gone. The
emails don’t even go to the spam folder anymore. The only way I get to
see what the MS people are saying is to use the web interface.
grigora from broadcom is in the same boat that the Microsoft people used
to be. This is what gmail tells me about his contributions to the list.
*“Why is this message in Spam?* It has a from address in broadcom.com
but has failed broadcom.com’s required tests for authentication. Learn
more https:”</https:>
For me all Microsoft emails vanish. For a while gmail was throwing them into the spam folder complaining about the domain not matching (presumably microsoft.com and osr.com), but those days are gone. The emails don’t even go to the spam folder anymore. The only way I get to see what the MS people are saying is to use the web interface.
grigora from broadcom is in the same boat that the Microsoft people used to be. This is what gmail tells me about his contributions to the list.
"Why is this message in Spam? It has a from address in broadcom.com but has failed broadcom.com’s required tests for authentication. Learn more https:"
I’m absolutely thrilled to learn that the cutting edge of Bayesian analytical theory cannot distinguish my mumblings on software engineering from an implausibly-spelled sales pitch for all-natural body part enhancement. I’ve spent my life serving computers, and they return the favor by putting me into an equivalence class of crooks and con artists.
Mr. Cattley, in addition to several other members, are not getting emails posted by MSFT contributors. Or from other contributors, I suspect.
For example, anyone with a GMAIL account is getting the following error (this particular message was sent by Mr. Holan, but it’s the same for email originating from Mr. Tippet):
Mr. Cattley receives his NTDEV mail on MSN.COM, and he’s getting the following rejection:
So… that’s basically saying the same thing.
This problem is particularly vexatious given that (a) it’s affecting a lot of members, (b) to the best of my knowledge, there’s not a damn thing we can do about it here at the sending end.
Any suggestions/recommendations/ideas, oh wise members of NTDEV? Somebody out there better schooled on DMARC than I am could definitely help here…
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 1:45 PM, wrote: > Not surprisingly, we are not the first mailing list to encounter these problems. > > https:</https:> > > TL;DR -> It looks like we’re screwed. > > Peter > OSR > @OSRDrivers >
A software project I contribute to has a forum with a similar issue. We’ve had to tell potential members to avoid trying to sign up with Microsoft (or Yahoo, I think) emails because the project’s domain made it onto a list at some point and there appears to be no way to get it off of that list.
It’s sad to learn it affects other things too, like mailing lists.
This still shows the real sender name and email address, but assume passes email authentication because all email is from the list. I rarely send private email to list members, so having to manually parse the correct email address is not a big deal for me.
Without any idea of how the software that runs this list is implemented or works, from an SMTP point of view there is something that can be done.
In your (message body) section, there is clearly at least one header that leads the downstream SMTP server to believe that the message came originally from an address at Microsoft.com. This server has presumably used standard DNS lookups to determine that the OSR mail server is not authorized sender for mail from this domain (TXT record) and is therefore rejecting the messages as SPAN out of hand.
Usually, this problem can be eliminated by establishing trust with the mail server in question (usually implying TLS) or by altering the config not to relay the original SMTP messages but to re-author them from a corresponding osr.com address (this makes replies difficult)
The problem stems from an anti-spam initiative (about 15 years old now) that has effectively crippled the SMTP relay feature. There are good reasons for this, as a large portion of SPAM has historically taken advantage of incorrectly configured SMTP gateways to be delivered, but it does cause serious issues for a mailing list like this
From: xxxxx@osr.commailto:xxxxx Sent: June 28, 2017 1:18 PM To: Windows System Software Devs Interest Listmailto:xxxxx Subject: RE:[ntdev] List Slave Question
Sooooo… some answers.
Mr. Cattley, in addition to several other members, are not getting emails posted by MSFT contributors. Or from other contributors, I suspect.
For example, anyone with a GMAIL account is getting the following error (this particular message was sent by Mr. Holan, but it’s the same for email originating from Mr. Tippet):
Mr. Cattley receives his NTDEV mail on MSN.COM, and he’s getting the following rejection:
So… that’s basically saying the same thing.
This problem is particularly vexatious given that (a) it’s affecting a lot of members, (b) to the best of my knowledge, there’s not a damn thing we can do about it here at the sending end.
Any suggestions/recommendations/ideas, oh wise members of NTDEV? Somebody out there better schooled on DMARC than I am could definitely help here…
But at least I know my order on Amazon.com has been successfully canceled ?.
I guess I should just move to an e-mail system that does not care if mail sent it is forged or not. Oh wait. I moved self-host @cattley.com to O365. Damn. NNTP anyone?
Thanks for looking into this Peter. I know you have way better things to occupy your time.
Perhaps I use this list different that some, as when I “reply” to a message, most of the time my intent is for the whole list to see my answer. The Reply-To header is already set to the list, not the original sender, so reply already goes to the list by default. On the rare occasion, I want to privately reply, it’s slightly more convenient if the From: header shows the original sender. It sounds like right now; some people are not getting all the list messages. I have zero problem with making my rare private replies a little harder in exchange of all public messages getting to everybody.
I can also see that some types of lists typically send “private conversation starter” messages, and on those kinds of lists making private replies harder would be annoying. My belief is this list is primarily about public conversations, with exposed email addresses so you can send a private message if you so choose.
To me, the public archive created by the public questions and public replies is the most valuable part of this list.
Jan
From: on behalf of Marion Bond Reply-To: Windows List Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 4:51 PM To: Windows List Subject: RE: RE:[ntdev] List Slave Question
…altering the config not to relay the original SMTP messages but to re-author them from a corresponding osr.com address (this makes replies difficult)…
So there is a bug in Windows Mail for mobiles. By default replies are sent
to the member of the list who posted while the “reply-to” header is set to
the list. That is why I am used to set the destination address by hand. I
have
Perhaps I use this list different that some, as when I “reply” to a
message, most of the time my intent is for the whole list to see my answer.
The Reply-To header is already set to the list, not the original sender, so
reply already goes to the list by default. On the rare occasion, I want to
privately reply, it’s slightly more convenient if the From: header shows
the original sender. It sounds like right now; some people are not getting
all the list messages. I have zero problem with making my rare private
replies a little harder in exchange of all public messages getting to
everybody.
I can also see that some types of lists typically send “private
conversation starter” messages, and on those kinds of lists making private
replies harder would be annoying. My belief is this list is primarily about
public conversations, with exposed email addresses so you can send a
private message if you so choose.
To me, the public archive created by the public questions and public
replies is the most valuable part of this list.
Jan
*From: * on behalf of Marion Bond < > xxxxx@hotmail.com> > *Reply-To: *Windows List > *Date: *Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 4:51 PM > *To: *Windows List > *Subject: *RE: RE:[ntdev] List Slave Question > > > > …altering the config not to relay the original SMTP messages but to > re-author them from a corresponding osr.com address (this makes replies > difficult)… > > — > NTDEV is sponsored by OSR > > Visit the list online at: http:> showlists.cfm?list=ntdev> > > MONTHLY seminars on crash dump analysis, WDF, Windows internals and > software drivers! > Details at http: > > To unsubscribe, visit the List Server section of OSR Online at < > http://www.osronline.com/page.cfm?name=ListServer> ></http:></http:>
I have to pop into the list online on occasion to make sure I am not
missing anything. And usually, I’ve missed a few in the email feed. It is
an annoying issue. A couple of things:
I never have this issue with lists I manage using Google Groups.
Does OSR use Google G Suites? if not, have you guys considered moving
over?
– Jamey
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 10:35 PM hgfhhgf jhgfgbbgf wrote:
> So there is a bug in Windows Mail for mobiles. By default replies are sent > to the member of the list who posted while the “reply-to” header is set to > the list. That is why I am used to set the destination address by hand. I > have > > Perhaps I use this list different that some, as when I “reply” to a >> message, most of the time my intent is for the whole list to see my answer. >> The Reply-To header is already set to the list, not the original sender, so >> reply already goes to the list by default. On the rare occasion, I want to >> privately reply, it’s slightly more convenient if the From: header shows >> the original sender. It sounds like right now; some people are not getting >> all the list messages. I have zero problem with making my rare private >> replies a little harder in exchange of all public messages getting to >> everybody. >> >> >> >> I can also see that some types of lists typically send “private >> conversation starter” messages, and on those kinds of lists making private >> replies harder would be annoying. My belief is this list is primarily about >> public conversations, with exposed email addresses so you can send a >> private message if you so choose. >> >> >> >> To me, the public archive created by the public questions and public >> replies is the most valuable part of this list. >> >> >> >> Jan >> >> >> >> *From: * on behalf of Marion Bond < >> xxxxx@hotmail.com> >> *Reply-To: *Windows List >> *Date: *Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 4:51 PM >> *To: *Windows List >> *Subject: *RE: RE:[ntdev] List Slave Question >> >> >> >> …altering the config not to relay the original SMTP messages but to >> re-author them from a corresponding osr.com address (this makes replies >> difficult)… >> >> — >> NTDEV is sponsored by OSR >> >> Visit the list online at: < >> http://www.osronline.com/showlists.cfm?list=ntdev> >> >> MONTHLY seminars on crash dump analysis, WDF, Windows internals and >> software drivers! >> Details at http: >> >> To unsubscribe, visit the List Server section of OSR Online at < >> http://www.osronline.com/page.cfm?name=ListServer> >> > — NTDEV is sponsored by OSR Visit the list online at: MONTHLY seminars > on crash dump analysis, WDF, Windows internals and software drivers! > Details at To unsubscribe, visit the List Server section of OSR Online at</http:>
No. We’re O365 folks here. Google already knows enough about me, thanks.
Google Groups is no doubt cute. Not sure how/if they get past the DMARC problem. I guess, being Google, they could ensure Groups emails are accepted by GMAIL at least.
I have to pop into the list online on occasion to make sure I am not
missing anything. And usually, I’ve missed a few in the email feed. It
is an annoying issue. A couple of things:
I never have this issue with lists I manage using Google Groups.
Does OSR use Google G Suites? if not, have you guys considered
moving over?
For the mailing lists you manage, is the “From:” address in the outgoing
messages set to the list itself, or to the original? That’s the crux of
the problem here.
–
Tim Roberts, xxxxx@probo.com
Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc.