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Installing Checked Vista on VMWARE

rod_widdowsonrod_widdowson Member - All Emails Posts: 971
My apologies if this has been treated elsewhere.

I recently tried to install several different types of checked Vista and
later versions on a VMWARE target (6.5.1 single and twin processor). Things
chug on for a while and then it BSODs with an unhandled exception with the
exception being STATUS_ASSERTION_FAILED. Of course we are booted from the
DVD at this point and so I have no debugger attached

All that Googling showed me was some discussion in VMware newsgroups which
end up saying "Why would you want to do that? just install the usual build".

Has anybody else met this, and/or is there some secret sauce I am missing?
I'd really sooner not build my own installation boot disk, turn on debugging
and work out what's up, particularly since most of the time I just want to
be able to use it as a source for the checked images (particularly the HAL
and KERNEL)...

Rod

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  • OSR_Community_UserOSR_Community_User Member Posts: 110,218
    Since you're on VM6.51, are you installing it yourself or with their fast install thingie?
    If it's on your own, try different settings for the disk (IDE, SCSI, SAS), and remove all the unneeded hardware
    at the time of install (USB, floppy, even network, then reconnect after install).
    I did not try Vista checked build yet, but the above did help in a few other situations. (well just one
    situation..) I think I had Srv08 checked in VMWare, though.

    Rod Widdowson wrote:

    > My apologies if this has been treated elsewhere.
    >
    > I recently tried to install several different types of checked Vista and
    > later versions on a VMWARE target (6.5.1 single and twin processor). Things
    > chug on for a while and then it BSODs with an unhandled exception with the
    > exception being STATUS_ASSERTION_FAILED. Of course we are booted from the
    > DVD at this point and so I have no debugger attached
    >
    > All that Googling showed me was some discussion in VMware newsgroups which
    > end up saying "Why would you want to do that? just install the usual build".
    >
    > Has anybody else met this, and/or is there some secret sauce I am missing?
    > I'd really sooner not build my own installation boot disk, turn on debugging
    > and work out what's up, particularly since most of the time I just want to
    > be able to use it as a source for the checked images (particularly the HAL
    > and KERNEL)...
    >
    > Rod
    >
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    >
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    > (including our new fs mini-filter seminar) visit:
    > http://www.osr.com/seminars
    >
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  • OSR_Community_UserOSR_Community_User Member Posts: 110,218
    Are you running server or dekstop VMWare? And I assume Vista host and Vista guest? Installing VMWare tools after the install?

    I hate to suggest it, but since its likely a VMWare issue this might be a good time to fork out the $49 for a support call. Ive found VMWare support to be pretty good. I run all manner of Linux's (can I say that here?) under XP and Vista hosts, all version 6.5.1. The only issue I ever had was Fedora Core 4 crashing, which seemed to be more stable if I restricted VM it to a single core (Im running dual quad-cores). Might be worth a try.

    Probably unrelated, but I notice VM sometimes has problems with its Easy Installer. When I create a VM these days, I always create the VM manually, then mount the install CD as an ISO on the hard drive. The install is always faster and never had one fail using this method. Never tried it with Vista guest though. Keep the CD(s) disconnected too, I think their automount is a bit too clever for its own good and Ive seen it crash the Vista host when it gets really confused who owns the actual hardware.

    /bk



    -------- Original Message --------

    Subject: [ntfsd] Installing Checked Vista on VMWARE

    From: "Rod Widdowson" <xxxxx@steadingsoftware.com>

    Date: Thu, April 02, 2009 11:33 am

    To: "Windows File Systems Devs Interest List" <xxxxx@lists.osr.com>



    My apologies if this has been treated elsewhere.



    I recently tried to install several different types of checked Vista and

    later versions on a VMWARE target (6.5.1 single and twin processor). Things

    chug on for a while and then it BSODs with an unhandled exception with the

    exception being STATUS_ASSERTION_FAILED. Of course we are booted from the

    DVD at this point and so I have no debugger attached



    All that Googling showed me was some discussion in VMware newsgroups which

    end up saying "Why would you want to do that? just install the usual build".



    Has anybody else met this, and/or is there some secret sauce I am missing?

    I'd really sooner not build my own installation boot disk, turn on debugging

    and work out what's up, particularly since most of the time I just want to

    be able to use it as a source for the checked images (particularly the HAL

    and KERNEL)...



    Rod





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  • rod_widdowsonrod_widdowson Member - All Emails Posts: 971
    Dejan,

    > Since you're on VM6.51, are you installing it yourself or with their
    > fast install thingie?

    I actually did both (trust, but verfiy)...

    > If it's on your own, try different settings for the disk (IDE, SCSI,
    > SAS), and remove all the unneeded hardware
    > at the time of install (USB, floppy, even network, then reconnect after
    > install).

    Good point. I'll try and report back...

    Rkennet ,
    > Are you running server or dekstop VMWare?

    Yup
    > And I assume Vista host and Vista guest?
    Sp1, but yes,

    > Installing VMWare tools after the install?
    I would do if I got that far!

    > I hate to suggest it, but since its likely a VMWare issue this might be a
    > good time to fork out the $49 for a support call.

    Good point.

    Thanks for the warning about the easy installer as well.

    /Rod
  • OSR_Community_UserOSR_Community_User Member Posts: 110,218
    Is the offending module acpi.sys by any chance?

    mm

    xxxxx@sequest.com wrote:
    > Are you running server or dekstop VMWare? And I assume Vista host and
    > Vista guest? Installing VMWare tools after the install?
    >
    > I hate to suggest it, but since its likely a VMWare issue this might be
    > a good time to fork out the $49 for a support call. Ive found VMWare
    > support to be pretty good. I run all manner of Linux's (can I say that
    > here?) under XP and Vista hosts, all version 6.5.1. The only issue I
    > ever had was Fedora Core 4 crashing, which seemed to be more stable if I
    > restricted VM it to a single core (Im running dual quad-cores). Might be
    > worth a try.
    >
    > Probably unrelated, but I notice VM sometimes has problems with its Easy
    > Installer. When I create a VM these days, I always create the VM
    > manually, then mount the install CD as an ISO on the hard drive. The
    > install is always faster and never had one fail using this method. Never
    > tried it with Vista guest though. Keep the CD(s) disconnected too, I
    > think their automount is a bit too clever for its own good and Ive seen
    > it crash the Vista host when it gets really confused who owns the actual
    > hardware.
    >
    > /bk
    >
    >
    > -------- Original Message --------
    > Subject: [ntfsd] Installing Checked Vista on VMWARE
    > From: "Rod Widdowson" <xxxxx@steadingsoftware.com>
    > Date: Thu, April 02, 2009 11:33 am
    > To: "Windows File Systems Devs Interest List" <xxxxx@lists.osr.com>
    >
    > My apologies if this has been treated elsewhere.
    >
    > I recently tried to install several different types of checked Vista
    > and
    > later versions on a VMWARE target (6.5.1 single and twin processor).
    > Things
    > chug on for a while and then it BSODs with an unhandled exception
    > with the
    > exception being STATUS_ASSERTION_FAILED. Of course we are booted
    > from the
    > DVD at this point and so I have no debugger attached
    >
    > All that Googling showed me was some discussion in VMware newsgroups
    > which
    > end up saying "Why would you want to do that? just install the usual
    > build".
    >
    > Has anybody else met this, and/or is there some secret sauce I am
    > missing?
    > I'd really sooner not build my own installation boot disk, turn on
    > debugging
    > and work out what's up, particularly since most of the time I just
    > want to
    > be able to use it as a source for the checked images (particularly
    > the HAL
    > and KERNEL)...
    >
    > Rod
    >
    >
    > ---
    > NTFSD is sponsored by OSR
    >
    > For our schedule of debugging and file system seminars
    > (including our new fs mini-filter seminar) visit:
    > http://www.osr.com/seminars
    >
    > To unsubscribe, visit the List Server section of OSR Online at
    > http://www.osronline.com/page.cfm?name=ListServer
  • OSR_Community_UserOSR_Community_User Member Posts: 110,218
    Hopefully someone will come up with better, but if not, since you've indicated that you need this
    primarily as a source of CHK images, have you considered using IMAGEX or one of the two or three GUI
    based WIM utilities to extract the files manually and store them for later use?


    mm



    Martin O'Brien wrote:
    > Is the offending module acpi.sys by any chance?
    >
    > mm
    >
    > xxxxx@sequest.com wrote:
    >> Are you running server or dekstop VMWare? And I assume Vista host and
    >> Vista guest? Installing VMWare tools after the install?
    >>
    >> I hate to suggest it, but since its likely a VMWare issue this might
    >> be a good time to fork out the $49 for a support call. Ive found
    >> VMWare support to be pretty good. I run all manner of Linux's (can I
    >> say that here?) under XP and Vista hosts, all version 6.5.1. The only
    >> issue I ever had was Fedora Core 4 crashing, which seemed to be more
    >> stable if I restricted VM it to a single core (Im running dual
    >> quad-cores). Might be worth a try.
    >>
    >> Probably unrelated, but I notice VM sometimes has problems with its
    >> Easy Installer. When I create a VM these days, I always create the VM
    >> manually, then mount the install CD as an ISO on the hard drive. The
    >> install is always faster and never had one fail using this method.
    >> Never tried it with Vista guest though. Keep the CD(s) disconnected
    >> too, I think their automount is a bit too clever for its own good and
    >> Ive seen it crash the Vista host when it gets really confused who owns
    >> the actual hardware.
    >>
    >> /bk
    >>
    >>
    >> -------- Original Message --------
    >> Subject: [ntfsd] Installing Checked Vista on VMWARE
    >> From: "Rod Widdowson" <xxxxx@steadingsoftware.com>
    >> Date: Thu, April 02, 2009 11:33 am
    >> To: "Windows File Systems Devs Interest List" <xxxxx@lists.osr.com>
    >>
    >> My apologies if this has been treated elsewhere.
    >>
    >> I recently tried to install several different types of checked Vista
    >> and
    >> later versions on a VMWARE target (6.5.1 single and twin processor).
    >> Things
    >> chug on for a while and then it BSODs with an unhandled exception
    >> with the
    >> exception being STATUS_ASSERTION_FAILED. Of course we are booted
    >> from the
    >> DVD at this point and so I have no debugger attached
    >>
    >> All that Googling showed me was some discussion in VMware newsgroups
    >> which
    >> end up saying "Why would you want to do that? just install the usual
    >> build".
    >>
    >> Has anybody else met this, and/or is there some secret sauce I am
    >> missing?
    >> I'd really sooner not build my own installation boot disk, turn on
    >> debugging
    >> and work out what's up, particularly since most of the time I just
    >> want to
    >> be able to use it as a source for the checked images (particularly
    >> the HAL
    >> and KERNEL)...
    >>
    >> Rod
    >>
    >>
    >> ---
    >> NTFSD is sponsored by OSR
    >>
    >> For our schedule of debugging and file system seminars
    >> (including our new fs mini-filter seminar) visit:
    >> http://www.osr.com/seminars
    >>
    >> To unsubscribe, visit the List Server section of OSR Online at
    >> http://www.osronline.com/page.cfm?name=ListServer
    >
  • OSR_Community_UserOSR_Community_User Member Posts: 110,218
    Uh, also, check the release notes for VMWare Workstation... sorry I didnt notice before.

    http://www.vmware.com/support/ws65/doc/releasenotes_ws652.html.

    6.5.2 looks like it contains fixes for Vista SP1 and SP2. And I can take my own advice too since it addresses issues Ive been having with Ubuntu 8.04LTS :-) They also list 'Easy Install' and using ISO's instead of CD's in the 'Known Issues' section, but looks like its addressed for Vista.

    We're both forgiven for not catching it since it was released 2 days ago.

    Should be a free download if you have 6.5.1

    /Bob



    -------- Original Message --------

    Subject: [ntfsd] Installing Checked Vista on VMWARE

    From: "Rod Widdowson" <xxxxx@steadingsoftware.com>

    Date: Thu, April 02, 2009 11:33 am

    To: "Windows File Systems Devs Interest List" <xxxxx@lists.osr.com>



    My apologies if this has been treated elsewhere.



    I recently tried to install several different types of checked Vista and

    later versions on a VMWARE target (6.5.1 single and twin processor). Things

    chug on for a while and then it BSODs with an unhandled exception with the

    exception being STATUS_ASSERTION_FAILED. Of course we are booted from the

    DVD at this point and so I have no debugger attached



    All that Googling showed me was some discussion in VMware newsgroups which

    end up saying "Why would you want to do that? just install the usual build".



    Has anybody else met this, and/or is there some secret sauce I am missing?

    I'd really sooner not build my own installation boot disk, turn on debugging

    and work out what's up, particularly since most of the time I just want to

    be able to use it as a source for the checked images (particularly the HAL

    and KERNEL)...



    Rod





    ---

    NTFSD is sponsored by OSR



    For our schedule of debugging and file system seminars

    (including our new fs mini-filter seminar) visit:

    http://www.osr.com/seminars



    To unsubscribe, visit the List Server section of OSR Online at http://www.osronline.com/page.cfm?name=ListServer



  • rod_widdowsonrod_widdowson Member - All Emails Posts: 971
    Thanks to all for their suggestions so far...

    > [Version 6.5.2]

    I upgraded and tried again with no sucess (VistaSP1/Chk and 2K8/Chk). Vista
    BSODs, W2K8 just says "inatller has failed and needs to be restarted". I've
    also done installs from ISO and from DVD...

    > Is the offending module acpi.sys by any chance?

    Sadly, the BlueScreen gives no indication.

    > If it's on your own, try different settings for the disk
    > (IDE, SCSI, SAS), and remove all the unneeded hardware
    > at the time of install (USB, floppy, even network, then
    > reconnect after install).

    I tried all that - same result.

    I'm not blocked on this (I just used real hardware), but this has not become
    something of a voyage of discovery. I'll carry on investigating and report
    back anything I learn.

    > this might be a good time to fork out the $49 for a support call

    Is sounding like a good idea. And I will certainly investigate just
    extracting the files by hand.

    Thanks again

    Rod
  • OSR_Community_UserOSR_Community_User Member Posts: 110,218
    Rod Widdowson wrote:
    > W2K8 just says "inatller has failed and needs to be
    > restarted".

    I get this as well. If you do not enter a key it
    goes away. Enter the key later.

    Mickey.
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