Just bought a Dell Inspiron and took for granted it would have standard
equipment such as a serial port and at least one firewire slot and PCMCIA.
I should have done my homework better to realize in time that this offer was
too good to be true. One chance I have is buying a USB debugging cable
(Vista only) but how do I find out if my USB controller supports debugging
or is ECHI compliant ? My other chance is buying a Addonics express card
firewire adapter, it’s not expensive and has a TI chip or somebody can tell
be beforehand this is not going to work with Windbg ?
Thanks,
/Daniel
Last I saw the OSR store had 1394 PC cards known to work well with KD.
From: xxxxx@lists.osr.com [xxxxx@lists.osr.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Terhell [xxxxx@resplendence.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 3:22 AM
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Subject: [windbg] debugging with express card firewire
Just bought a Dell Inspiron and took for granted it would have standard
equipment such as a serial port and at least one firewire slot and PCMCIA.
I should have done my homework better to realize in time that this offer was
too good to be true. One chance I have is buying a USB debugging cable
(Vista only) but how do I find out if my USB controller supports debugging
or is ECHI compliant ? My other chance is buying a Addonics express card
firewire adapter, it’s not expensive and has a TI chip or somebody can tell
be beforehand this is not going to work with Windbg ?
Thanks,
/Daniel
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Thanks, but it doesn’t even support that. It has some new type of PC card
slot called Express Card. This standard is by PCMCIA but not compatible with
the older ones.
/Daniel
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Last I saw the OSR store had 1394 PC cards known to work well with KD.
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Subject: [windbg] debugging with express card firewire
Just bought a Dell Inspiron and took for granted it would have standard
equipment such as a serial port and at least one firewire slot and PCMCIA.
I should have done my homework better to realize in time that this offer was
too good to be true. One chance I have is buying a USB debugging cable
(Vista only) but how do I find out if my USB controller supports debugging
or is ECHI compliant ? My other chance is buying a Addonics express card
firewire adapter, it’s not expensive and has a TI chip or somebody can tell
be beforehand this is not going to work with Windbg ?
Thanks,
/Daniel
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Oh, wow. I made the same mistake, and so profoundly, that I didn’t even notice that you said that it didn’t have a PCMCIA slot.
A laptop? Without a PCMCIA slot? I’m dizzy…
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Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:19 AM
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Subject: Re:[windbg] debugging with express card firewire
Thanks, but it doesn’t even support that. It has some new type of PC card
slot called Express Card. This standard is by PCMCIA but not compatible with
the older ones.
/Daniel
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Last I saw the OSR store had 1394 PC cards known to work well with KD.
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Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 3:22 AM
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Subject: [windbg] debugging with express card firewire
Just bought a Dell Inspiron and took for granted it would have standard
equipment such as a serial port and at least one firewire slot and PCMCIA.
I should have done my homework better to realize in time that this offer was
too good to be true. One chance I have is buying a USB debugging cable
(Vista only) but how do I find out if my USB controller supports debugging
or is ECHI compliant ? My other chance is buying a Addonics express card
firewire adapter, it’s not expensive and has a TI chip or somebody can tell
be beforehand this is not going to work with Windbg ?
Thanks,
/Daniel
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Haven’t tried ExpressCard myself.
You might want to check if they have docking station. Most docking
station has serial port that works great with kd.
Calvin Guan
Broadcom Corporation
Connecting Everything(r)
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Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 3:23 AM
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Subject: [windbg] debugging with express card firewire
Just bought a Dell Inspiron and took for granted it would have
standard
equipment such as a serial port and at least one firewire slot and
PCMCIA.
I should have done my homework better to realize in time that this
offer
was
too good to be true. One chance I have is buying a USB debugging cable
(Vista only) but how do I find out if my USB controller supports
debugging
or is ECHI compliant ? My other chance is buying a Addonics express
card
firewire adapter, it’s not expensive and has a TI chip or somebody can
tell
be beforehand this is not going to work with Windbg ?
Thanks,
/Daniel
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Calvin (Hao) Guan wrote:
Haven’t tried ExpressCard myself.
You might want to check if they have docking station. Most docking
station has serial port that works great with kd.
Dell, for one, no longer makes custom docking stations. They resell
“docking stations” from Kensington that are basically USB hubs with
built-in USB-to-serial and USB-to-parallel connectors.
–
Tim Roberts, xxxxx@probo.com
Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc.
The Dell D820 has a docking station that permits one PCI card to be added.
The first post left out too many details to make an answer possible. I
assumed that the notebook was to be the target and not the host. The host
works well with a USB to Serial cable, 1394a, or USB (Vista). The specific
model was not mentioned.
Higher taxes are to be expected in the EU, UK, Russia, etc. and many of
those taxes are hidden into the prices of things you buy. I hope you don’t
think the ‘free’ medical care provided in most of those countries is really
free? In the U.S. only the corporate taxes are added to the pricing and
sales taxes are added at the point of sale. Sales taxes usually exempt food
stuffs that require preparation but not ready to eat/consume items.
“Tim Roberts” wrote in message news:xxxxx@windbg…
> Calvin (Hao) Guan wrote:
>> Haven’t tried ExpressCard myself.
>>
>> You might want to check if they have docking station. Most docking
>> station has serial port that works great with kd.
>>
>
> Dell, for one, no longer makes custom docking stations. They resell
> “docking stations” from Kensington that are basically USB hubs with
> built-in USB-to-serial and USB-to-parallel connectors.
>
> –
> Tim Roberts, xxxxx@probo.com
> Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc.
>
>
Tim Roberts wrote:
> > You might want to check if they have docking station. Most docking
> > station has serial port that works great with kd.
>
> Dell, for one, no longer makes custom docking stations. They resell
> “docking stations” from Kensington that are basically USB hubs with
> built-in USB-to-serial and USB-to-parallel connectors.
I believe you are correctly describing the docking options for the
current Dell Inspiron line. The entire Dell “D series” on the other
hand (higher-end XPS, all but lowest end of business-class Latitude,
older higher-end Inspirons) have Dell D/Port and D/Dock docking
station options along the lines that Dell has always provided.
On the topic of Express Card and perhaps wanting more than a
“glorified USB hub” docking option, note the Belkin high-speed dock:
http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=298909
No RS-232 serial or 1394 built into it though. Bummer.
Alan Adams
Express cards are pci express boards in the small form factor. So if you
find an express card with firewire:
- It should(!) work
- please do post to the NG where you found it :-). I’m looking for one
myself.
Robin
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Sent: Donnerstag, 19. April 2007 23:55
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Subject: Re:[windbg] debugging with express card firewire
Tim Roberts wrote:
> > You might want to check if they have docking station. Most docking
> > station has serial port that works great with kd.
>
> Dell, for one, no longer makes custom docking stations. They resell
> “docking stations” from Kensington that are basically USB hubs with
> built-in USB-to-serial and USB-to-parallel connectors.
I believe you are correctly describing the docking options for the
current Dell Inspiron line. The entire Dell “D series” on the other
hand (higher-end XPS, all but lowest end of business-class Latitude,
older higher-end Inspirons) have Dell D/Port and D/Dock docking
station options along the lines that Dell has always provided.
On the topic of Express Card and perhaps wanting more than a
“glorified USB hub” docking option, note the Belkin high-speed dock:
http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=298909
No RS-232 serial or 1394 built into it though. Bummer.
Alan Adams
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Thanks, I am going for the Addonics card, it costs only $50 and explicitly
mentions it has a TI chip.
http://www.addonics.com/products/host_controller/adu2fwex34.asp
You can find a list of express card solutions here:
http://www.expresscard.org/web/site/cons_wtb.jsp
BTW the laptop I bought is a Dell Inspiron 1501 (Turion x2 processor and 2GB
Ram).
/Daniel
wrote in message news:xxxxx@windbg…
Express cards are pci express boards in the small form factor. So if you
find an express card with firewire:
1. It should(!) work
2. please do post to the NG where you found it :-). I’m looking for one
myself.
Robin
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Subject: Re:[windbg] debugging with express card firewire
Tim Roberts wrote:
> > You might want to check if they have docking station. Most docking
> > station has serial port that works great with kd.
>
> Dell, for one, no longer makes custom docking stations. They resell
> “docking stations” from Kensington that are basically USB hubs with
> built-in USB-to-serial and USB-to-parallel connectors.
I believe you are correctly describing the docking options for the
current Dell Inspiron line. The entire Dell “D series” on the other
hand (higher-end XPS, all but lowest end of business-class Latitude,
older higher-end Inspirons) have Dell D/Port and D/Dock docking
station options along the lines that Dell has always provided.
On the topic of Express Card and perhaps wanting more than a
“glorified USB hub” docking option, note the Belkin high-speed dock:
http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=298909
No RS-232 serial or 1394 built into it though. Bummer.
Alan Adams
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I had a less paniful, but related, experience with a test m/c I recently
bought.
The built-in 1394 didn’t work, I plugged in a known working PCI card and
still couldn’t debug until I disabled the onboard 1394 in the BIOS. The
trouble is that that has also supressed all the USB and card reader ports.
This isn’t a great disadvantage but worth noting in case anybody else
stumbles down that pothole.
Incidently, I can confirm that you can daisy chaining multiple windbg
targets together you can debug them separately and concurrently. Whilst
theory said that it would work, it is nice to know that it works in
practice.
What do you mean by “daisy chaining multiple windbg targets
together…?” How do you use that configuration?
mm
>> xxxxx@steadingsoftware.com 2007-04-21 05:42 >>>
I had a less paniful, but related, experience with a test m/c I
recently
bought.
The built-in 1394 didn’t work, I plugged in a known working PCI card
and
still couldn’t debug until I disabled the onboard 1394 in the BIOS.
The
trouble is that that has also supressed all the USB and card reader
ports.
This isn’t a great disadvantage but worth noting in case anybody else
stumbles down that pothole.
Incidently, I can confirm that you can daisy chaining multiple windbg
targets together you can debug them separately and concurrently.
Whilst
theory said that it would work, it is nice to know that it works in
practice.
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> What do you mean by "daisy chaining multiple windbg targets
together…?" How do you use that configuration?
My host machine is a laptop with 4 pin 1394, the targets are both old
workstations with OSR 1394 PCI cards. I just daisy chain from the laptop to
the first (4 pin -6 pin) to the second (6 pin - 6 pin). The first machine
is configured to debug on channel 19 (/Debug /debugport=1394 /channel=19)
and the second on channel 21. I fire up two windbg instances, connect the
first to 1394, channel 19 (windbg.exe -k 1394:channel=19) and the second to
1394 channel 21 and you’re all done.
Does this help?
Interesting. I had no idea…
>> xxxxx@steadingsoftware.com 2007-04-24 03:34 >>>
What do you mean by “daisy chaining multiple windbg targets
together…?” How do you use that configuration?
My host machine is a laptop with 4 pin 1394, the targets are both old
workstations with OSR 1394 PCI cards. I just daisy chain from the
laptop to
the first (4 pin -6 pin) to the second (6 pin - 6 pin). The first
machine
is configured to debug on channel 19 (/Debug /debugport=1394
/channel=19)
and the second on channel 21. I fire up two windbg instances, connect
the
first to 1394, channel 19 (windbg.exe -k 1394:channel=19) and the
second to
1394 channel 21 and you’re all done.
Does this help?
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